2020 Japan Olympics

[matsuki]

I wonder how many more delays and problems are in store...this thing is one self inflicted, embarrassing clusterfuck after another...

[Russell]

I wonder how many more delays and problems are in store...this thing is one self inflicted, embarrassing clusterfuck after another...

I get the impression they can hold the Olympics without actually having to build any new facilities. If only they were willing to go that route...

[kurogane]

Isn't that what we were hoping back in the heady honeymoon days? That they would put their money where their Mottainai spouting mouths were? It might be more the Greater Kanto Olympics than a true Tokyo games but what a glorious model that would be, eh!??? Making do with what you already have in abundance anyways. Sadly, there is no Face in that, and the LDPfia runs on face, crappy whiskey and graft, so no go.

Anyhoo, regarding the clusterfuck brainfart that Choko mentioned: I am pretty sure that any properly First World games of recent vintage were in similar states of disarray 5 years before the wedding night. I remember a lot of very fascistic hissing happening here when people raised important logistic issues and were treated like Trotskyite subversives, so it does show that somebody's press is doing its job. Wasn't Sochi a complete clown show until 3 days before it opened?

[matsuki]

I wonder how many more delays and problems are in store...this thing is one self inflicted, embarrassing clusterfuck after another...

I get the impression they can hold the Olympics without actually having to build any new facilities. If only they were willing to go that route...

How would they make their construction buddies mad $$$ then? Overpriced renovations would have probably brought out calls for "just build a new fucking stadium!"

Kuro - I think in Sochi and other places, it was more press hype....here it seems to be just direct reports from official sources saying "we need more money and time!"

[Russell]

Here it seems to be just direct reports from official sources saying "we need more money and time!"

Maybe they should try to postpone it to 2021 then...

[matsuki]

Here it seems to be just direct reports from official sources saying "we need more money and time!"

Maybe they should try to postpone it to 2021 then...

TIJ, would you really be surprised if they asked for such an extension?

[Russell]

Here it seems to be just direct reports from official sources saying "we need more money and time!"

Maybe they should try to postpone it to 2021 then...

TIJ, would you really be surprised if they asked for such an extension?

Actually, nope.

[legion]

I thought hockey was for Canadians and scumbag Plastic Paddies.

LOL, Canadians, and "fake Irish" indeed but my point was the locale...as diverse as LA is, it's still pretty dominated by well off white people.

http://www.pickwickgardens.com/

(though apparently too poor to afford bandwidth?)

There are a lot of people of Scottish decent in Canada


https://www.waterstones.com/ebook/the-highland-clearances/john-prebble/9780141933160

[legion]

I wonder how many more delays and problems are in store...this thing is one self inflicted, embarrassing clusterfuck after another...

I get the impression they can hold the Olympics without actually having to build any new facilities. If only they were willing to go that route...

Yup, they are building venues near my house, not overjoyed about this.

[Samurai_Jerk]

There are a lot of people of Scottish decent in Canada

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[Taro Toporific]

Tokyo-Olympics.jpg

Beijing was 43 billion yen
London was 64.5 billion yen
Fucking Tokyo needs 252 billion yen?

[kurogane]

Allowing that the real Peking costs may be twisted lower because of the manipulated value of the Wingbangboom and sketchy accounting, that is quite appalling. Quite, I say.

[Yokohammer]

And this in a country with a public debt that's more than twice the GDP.

I have never really understood economics, and this is not helping.

[yanpa]

Swiss-based international sports bodies and Japanese-based construction companies understand economics very well, thank you. Pro tip: shares in stationery companies with extensive ranges of anonymous brown envelopes in their product portfolio.

[Wage Slave]

And this in a country with a public debt that's more than twice the GDP.

I have never really understood economics, and this is not helping.

And I understand markets even less than economic theory. Apparently the Yen has become a safe refuge again for wealth frightened off the Euro and other western currencies due to Greece's problems. Fair enough, Greece is in a hole, and the government is stubbornly refusing to face up to it properly. But Japan's vastly bigger debt, money printing and a government intent on vast amounts of inefficient, nay downright wasteful and corrupt, spending is a safe refuge for your money?

[kurogane]

Japan Make Too Big for Fail???? I dunno.........

Anyhoo, back to what Yokohammer wrote:
Yezzbut to all that, but during the leadup to Vancouver 2010 those of us apostatic enough to question the very premise of providing expensive income subsidies for those who don't need it were subject to vociferous and vehement vexing by a variety that seem admirably placated by the constant rote recital of the New Teaching:

Legacy and Multiplier Effect........Legacy and Multiplier Effect........Legacy and Multiplier Effect........
Legacy and Multiplier Effect........Legacy and Multiplier Effect........Legacy and Multiplier Effect........

repeat that daily 300 or 400 times and you may find your attitude changes accordingly. You will also quickly make many new friends of a sort you never thought you could stomach.

It didn't work for me, but I was told quite explicitly that my mind ain't right. It was a sort of failure to communicate.

[wuchan]

The answer is very simple, it wasn't designed by a japanese guy so the construction companies are sucking their teeth.

[Wage Slave]

That's a big part of it - and they can suck away secure in the knowledge that they are members of a protected cartel and time is on their side.

To my admittedly inexpert eye it also looks like a much more expensive stadium to build as well. There's just a lot more to it - and those huge sweeping roof sections . In time though, a really iconic structure, may yet pay off especially given the location. The national stadium in Cardiff, one of the first with a roof, cost what was thought by the English to be far too much at the time but now no-one would question its worth. A big part of that is its location - right in the centre of town near the main railway station.

But you need a roof. Then you have a true multi-purpose venue.

[kurogane]

That design was ISIS sleeper agent all the way. Stupid, ugly, and expensive...........a time bomb waiting to explode. It doesn't help that she is top contender for the Witchie Poo lookalike award, next to Billie Hayes herself.

Why did they even entertain foreign submissions? Is that one of those imperialistic regulamations? Anyhoo, pay the fat ugly ehab off and build something nice, oval and cheap. She does shiite work at the best of times: fag hag extravaganzia worthy of a chintzy pride parade float and not much else.

[matsuki]

Tokyo-Olympics.jpg

Beijing was 43 billion yen
London was 64.5 billion yen
Fucking Tokyo needs 252 billion yen?

"but but but Japanese labor rates!"

[Takechanpoo]

40 bilion yen of the roofs cost is not even included in the 252 billion.
http://www.hochi.co.jp/topics/20150629-OHT1T50238.html

[matsuki]

J-gov....biggest sagi eVaR!!!!

[Isle of View]

Tokyo-Olympics.jpg

Beijing was 43 billion yen
London was 64.5 billion yen
Fucking Tokyo needs 252 billion yen?

It is a small price to pay to buy off Godzilla so they can use his bicycle helmet for the duration of the 2020 Games.

[Russell]

Tokyo-Olympics.jpg

Beijing was 43 billion yen
London was 64.5 billion yen
Fucking Tokyo needs 252 billion yen?

It is a small price to pay to buy off Godzilla so they can use his bicycle helmet for the duration of the 2020 Games.

These are only the license fees, not the helmet itself...

[Isle of View]

Tokyo-Olympics.jpg

Beijing was 43 billion yen
London was 64.5 billion yen
Fucking Tokyo needs 252 billion yen?

Bureaucrat + yakuza vig.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Bloomberg has been on a real tear lately.

World’s Biggest City Throws Final Festival Before Decline

Half a century ago, the Tokyo Olympics ushered in a golden age for Japan’s capital, as industrial prowess made it the largest urban complex in history. Now the games are returning to mark the end of that growth.

“This will be the final festival,” says Yasunari Ueno, 52, Tokyo-based chief market economist at Mizuho Securities Co.

In Tokyo’s Shinjuku district, the ground has been cleared for a new national stadium, surrounded by a gymnasium, swimming pools, tennis courts and a baseball arena. Elsewhere, transport systems are being upgraded and new roads, apartments and hotels are being built. The whole infrastructure upgrade could cost 2.7 trillion yen ($22 billion) and together with the games create more than 200,000 jobs, according to Mizuho Research Institute Ltd.

Yet, once the 2020 games are over, Tokyo faces a bleak future. It is one of only four cities among the 71 most-populous urban centers ranked by the United Nations that are poised to shrink between 2014 and 2030, and the other three are also in Japan. The Tokyo metropolitan area that includes contiguous cities like Yokohama will see its population drop 1.7 percent to 37.2 million, according to the UN.

By 2030, it will be neck and neck with Delhi in the competition for the world’s biggest metropolis. Last year, it was more than 50 percent bigger than the Indian city. Tokyo also faces challenges from Manila and Jakarta, both of which will have more than 30 million people in their urban areas by 2025, according to forecasts by Belleville, Illinois-based Demographia.

For Tamiko Sato, whose husband carried the Olympic torch through the streets in 1964, the staging of the games then and now shows how Tokyo’s fortunes have changed. She says she was proud and happy back then, like the rest of Japan, as the city took center stage in the world.

[yanpa]

In other news: "Overcrowded metropolis to become somewhat less crowded, happy to cede meaningless size statistic to 3rd-world pollution hellhole".

[matsuki]

“This will be the final festival,” says Yasunari Ueno, 52, Tokyo-based chief market economist at Mizuho Securities Co.

The "Japan is finished" mentality must feel really good to the youth of Japan.

[wagyl]

“This will be the final festival,” says Yasunari Ueno, 52, Tokyo-based chief market economist at Mizuho Securities Co.

The "Japan is finished" mentality must feel really good to the youth of Japan.

It could be argued that they act like they already know it.

[dimwit]

I don't know how to break it to you lads in Tokyo, but you really haven't got a clue about what is happening outside of Kanto. When I first came here 20 something years ago, it was only the small towns and villages that were dying. By 2000, it was the smaller cities. Now even the prefectural capitals are begining to decline.

When you consider that Tokyo is essentially a parasite to the rest of Japan, and the rest of Japan already has been bleed dry, how long do you think it is going to be before it affects Tokyo? And what do you realistically expect the results of the decline are going to be? More parks and recreational space, better planning, or a bunch of haikyo.