nottu wrote: ... In typical fashion, <bitter rant> ...
Wow. If abstaining from video games completely makes you even half as conceited as that post was, power-up a video game for me!
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by kurohinge1 » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:28 pm
Wow. If abstaining from video games completely makes you even half as conceited as that post was, power-up a video game for me!
- "This is the verdict: . . . " (John 3:19-21)
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by BO-SENSEI » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:37 pm
nottu wrote:Edit:
Video gaming is one of the most destructive cultural phenomena...
I would agree if you said Massive multiplayer online gaming is one of the most destructive cultural phenomena...
But to rip on the entire video game industry, I can not agree, it's just interactive fun.
I am not really sure where I am going, I just hope that when I get there, I can sit down because I am sure my feet will be tired.
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by Samurai_Jerk » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:06 pm
nottu wrote:Edit:
Video gaming is one of the most destructive cultural phenomena...
I think there's been a big change too that's made them even worse than they used to be. I was never big into gaming but when I was growing up it was a way to kill a couple of hours with friends at your house on a Saturday afternoon before going out to do something more fun. I don't think there were as many hardcore addicts as there seems to be now. It's probably because they've become a lot more realistic, complex, and involving.
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by kurohinge1 » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:28 pm
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by wuchan » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:58 pm
[quote="nottu"]
To underscore what I have said, please make a visit to the most prestigious university in your home state –]
FAIL
Sorry I am from MA.
Harvard:
Dean
Cherry A. Murray
Dean, Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences
John A. and Elizabeth S. Armstrong Professor of Engineering and Applied Sciences
To underscore what I have said, please make a visit to the most prestigious university in your home state –]
FAIL
Sorry I am from MA.
Harvard:
Dean
Cherry A. Murray
Dean, Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences
John A. and Elizabeth S. Armstrong Professor of Engineering and Applied Sciences
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by wuchan » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:59 pm
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MIT:
Thomas J. Allen, Ph.D.
Margaret MacVicar Faculty Fellow
Howard W. Johnson Professor of Management, Emeritus
Professor of Engineering Systems, Emeritus
Co-Director, LGO and SDM Programs
Co-Director, Program on the Pharmaceutical Industry
George E. Apostolakis, Ph.D.
Korea Electric Power Company Professor of Nuclear Science and Engineering and
Professor of Engineering Systems
Hamsa Balakrishnan, Ph.D.
T. Wilson Career Development Assistant Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Cynthia Barnhart, Ph.D.
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
Co-director, Operations Research Center
Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, MIT School of Engineering
Christopher Caplice, Ph.D.
Executive Director, Center for Transportation & Logistics
Executive Director, MLOG Program
John S. Carroll, Ph.D.
Morris A. Adelman Professor of Management
Professor of Behavioral and Policy Sciences and Engineering Systems
Co-Director, Lean Advancement Initiative
Joel Philip Clark, Sc.D.
Professor of Materials Systems and Engineering Systems
Co-Lead, Engineering Design and Advanced Manufacturing (EDAM) Focus Area, MIT Portugal Program
Joseph F. Coughlin, Ph.D.
Senior Lecturer, Engineering Systems Division
Director, AgeLab, & New England University Transportation Center
Center for Transportation and Logistics
Edward F. Crawley, Ph.D.
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Ford Professor of Engineering
Mary (Missy) Cummings, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Director, Humans and Automation Laboratory
Human-Systems Engineering Track
Michael A. Cusumano, Ph.D.
Sloan Management Review Distinguished Professor of Management
Professor of Engineering Systems
Richard de Neufville, Ph.D., Dr. h.c.
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering
and Engineering Systems
Olivier L. de Weck, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Associate Director, Engineering Systems Division
Thomas Waddy Eagar, Sc.D.
Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems
Steven D. Eppinger, Sc.D.
General Motors LGO Professor of Management Science
Professor of Engineering Systems
Deputy Dean, MIT Sloan School of Management
Frank R. Field, III, Ph.D.
Senior Research Associate, MIT CTPID
Director of Education, TPP
Senior Research Engineer
Senior Lecturer in Engineering Systems
Charles H. Fine, Ph.D.
Chrysler LGO Professor of Management and Engineering Systems
Co-director, International Motor Vehicle Program
Stan N. Finkelstein, M.D.
Senior Research Scientist, Engineering Systems Division and Harvard-MIT Division of Health Sciences & Technology
Associate Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School
Daniel D. Frey, Ph.D.
Robert N. Noyce Career Development Professor
Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
David Geltner, Ph.D.
Professor of Real Estate Finance and Engineering Systems
Stephen C. Graves, Ph.D.
Abraham J. Siegel Professor of Management Science
Professor of Engineering Systems and Mechanical Engineering
Pat Hale
Director, System Design and Management Fellows Program
Senior Lecturer in Engineering Systems
R. John Hansman, Jr., Ph.D.
T. Wilson Professor of Aeronautics & Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Head, Division of Humans and Automation
Director, International Center for Air Transportation
David Edgar Hardt, Ph.D.
Ralph E. and Eloise F. Cross Professor of Mechanical Engineering
Professor of Engineering Systems
Daniel Hastings, Ph.D.
Professor of Engineering Systems and Aeronautics and Astronautics
Dean, Undergraduate Education
Randolph E. Kirchain, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Materials Science and Engineering Systems
Thomas A. Kochan, Ph.D.
George Maverick Bunker Professor of Management
Professor of Engineering Systems
Co-director, Institute for Work and Employment Research at MIT Sloan School of Management
Chair of the Faculty, MIT, 2009
Paul A. Lagacé, Ph.D.
Margaret MacVicar Faculty Fellow
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Richard Larson, Ph.D.
Mitsui Professor of Engineering Systems and Civil and Environmental Engineering
Director, Center for Engineering Systems Fundamentals
Nancy Leveson, Ph.D.
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Seth Lloyd, Ph.D.
Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
Stuart E. Madnick, Ph.D.
John Norris Maguire Professor of Information Technology and Engineering Systems
Co-Director, PROFIT Program
Christopher L. Magee, Ph.D.
Professor of the Practice of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
Co-Lead, Engineering Design and Advanced Manufacturing (EDAM) Focus Area, MIT Portugal Program
David Hunter Marks, Ph.D.
Morton and Claire Goulder Family Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
MIT Coordinator, Alliance for Global Sustainability
Lead, Sustainable Energy Systems Focus Area, MIT Portugal Program
Co-director, Masdar Initiative, Abu Dhabi
David A. Mindell, Ph.D.
Frances and David Dibner Professor
of the History of Engineering and Manufacturing
Professor of Engineering Systems
Margaret MacVicar Faculty Fellow
Director, Program in Science, Technology and Society
Sanjoy Mitter, Ph.D.
Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science and Engineering Systems
Fred Moavenzadeh, Ph.D.
James Mason Crafts Professor
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
Director, Technology and Development Program
Ernest J. Moniz, Ph.D.
Cecil and Ida Green Professor of Physics and Engineering Systems
Director, Laboratory for Energy and Environment
Director, MIT Energy Initiative
Joel Moses, Ph.D.
Institute Professor
Professor of Computer Science and Engineering Systems
Acting Director, Center for Technology, Policy and Industrial Development
Dava Newman, Ph.D.
Margaret MacVicar Faculty Fellow
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Director, Technology and Policy Program
Harvard-MIT Health, Sciences and Technology
Lead, Bio-Engineering Systems Focus Area, MIT Portugal Program
Deborah Nightingale, Ph.D.
Professor of the Practice of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Co-Director, Lean Advancement Initiative
Kenneth A. Oye, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Political Science and Engineering Systems
Donna H. Rhodes, Ph.D.
Senior Lecturer, Engineering Systems
Principal Research Scientist, SEAri and LAI
James Blayney Rice, Jr.
Director, Integrated Supply Chain Management Program, Center for Transportation and Logistics
Director, Supply Chain Exchange
Daniel Roos, Ph.D.
Japan Steel Industry Professor of Engineering Systems and Civil and Environmental Engineering
Director, MIT Portugal Program
Founding Director, MIT ESD
Donald B. Rosenfield, Ph.D.
Director, Leaders for Global Operations Program
Senior Lecturer, MIT Sloan School of Management
Warren P. Seering, Ph.D.
Weber-Shaughness Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
Yossi Sheffi, Ph.D.
Professor of Engineering Systems
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering
Director, Engineering Systems Division
Director, MIT Center for Transportation and Logistics
Director and Founder, Master of Engineering in Logistics Program
David Simchi-Levi, Ph.D.
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
Co-Director, LGO and SDM Programs
John Sterman, Ph.D.
Jay W. Forrester Professor of Management and Engineering Systems
Director, System Dynamics Group
Joseph M. Sussman, Ph.D.
JR East Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
James M. Utterback, Ph.D.
David J. McGrath jr (1959) Professor of Management and Innovation
Professor of Engineering Systems
Eric von Hippel, Ph.D.
T. Wilson (1953) Professor of Management
Professor of Engineering Systems
David R. Wallace, Ph.D.
Esther and Harold E. Edgerton Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
Co-Director MIT CADlab
Mort David Webster, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Engineering Systems Division
Annalisa L. Weigel, Ph.D.
Jerome C. Hunsacker Assistant Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Roy E. Welsch, Ph.D.
Professor of Statistics and Management Science and Engineering Systems
Daniel E. Whitney, Ph.D.
Senior Research Scientist, Center for Technology, Policy and Industrial Development
Senior Lecturer in Engineering Systems
Senior Lecturer in Mechanical Engineering
Sheila Widnall, Sc.D.
Institute Professor
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
John R. Williams, Ph.D.
Professor of Information Engineering, Civil and Environmental Engineering, and Engineering Systems
Director, Auto-ID Laboratory
Christopher Zegras, Ph.D.
Ford Career Development Assistant Professor of Transportation and Urban Planning in the Department of Urban Studies and Planning
Artin, Michael Professor of Mathematics
Algebraic Geometry, Non-Commutative Algebra
Auroux, Denis Professor of Mathematics
Symplectic Geometry
Bazant, Martin Associate Professor of Applied Mathematics
Behrens, Mark Assistant Professor of Mathematics
Algebraic Topology
Benney, David Professor of Applied Mathematics
Nonlinear Waves
Berger, Bonnie Professor of Applied Mathematics
I see no asian names.
MIT:
Thomas J. Allen, Ph.D.
Margaret MacVicar Faculty Fellow
Howard W. Johnson Professor of Management, Emeritus
Professor of Engineering Systems, Emeritus
Co-Director, LGO and SDM Programs
Co-Director, Program on the Pharmaceutical Industry
George E. Apostolakis, Ph.D.
Korea Electric Power Company Professor of Nuclear Science and Engineering and
Professor of Engineering Systems
Hamsa Balakrishnan, Ph.D.
T. Wilson Career Development Assistant Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Cynthia Barnhart, Ph.D.
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
Co-director, Operations Research Center
Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, MIT School of Engineering
Christopher Caplice, Ph.D.
Executive Director, Center for Transportation & Logistics
Executive Director, MLOG Program
John S. Carroll, Ph.D.
Morris A. Adelman Professor of Management
Professor of Behavioral and Policy Sciences and Engineering Systems
Co-Director, Lean Advancement Initiative
Joel Philip Clark, Sc.D.
Professor of Materials Systems and Engineering Systems
Co-Lead, Engineering Design and Advanced Manufacturing (EDAM) Focus Area, MIT Portugal Program
Joseph F. Coughlin, Ph.D.
Senior Lecturer, Engineering Systems Division
Director, AgeLab, & New England University Transportation Center
Center for Transportation and Logistics
Edward F. Crawley, Ph.D.
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Ford Professor of Engineering
Mary (Missy) Cummings, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Director, Humans and Automation Laboratory
Human-Systems Engineering Track
Michael A. Cusumano, Ph.D.
Sloan Management Review Distinguished Professor of Management
Professor of Engineering Systems
Richard de Neufville, Ph.D., Dr. h.c.
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering
and Engineering Systems
Olivier L. de Weck, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Associate Director, Engineering Systems Division
Thomas Waddy Eagar, Sc.D.
Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems
Steven D. Eppinger, Sc.D.
General Motors LGO Professor of Management Science
Professor of Engineering Systems
Deputy Dean, MIT Sloan School of Management
Frank R. Field, III, Ph.D.
Senior Research Associate, MIT CTPID
Director of Education, TPP
Senior Research Engineer
Senior Lecturer in Engineering Systems
Charles H. Fine, Ph.D.
Chrysler LGO Professor of Management and Engineering Systems
Co-director, International Motor Vehicle Program
Stan N. Finkelstein, M.D.
Senior Research Scientist, Engineering Systems Division and Harvard-MIT Division of Health Sciences & Technology
Associate Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School
Daniel D. Frey, Ph.D.
Robert N. Noyce Career Development Professor
Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
David Geltner, Ph.D.
Professor of Real Estate Finance and Engineering Systems
Stephen C. Graves, Ph.D.
Abraham J. Siegel Professor of Management Science
Professor of Engineering Systems and Mechanical Engineering
Pat Hale
Director, System Design and Management Fellows Program
Senior Lecturer in Engineering Systems
R. John Hansman, Jr., Ph.D.
T. Wilson Professor of Aeronautics & Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Head, Division of Humans and Automation
Director, International Center for Air Transportation
David Edgar Hardt, Ph.D.
Ralph E. and Eloise F. Cross Professor of Mechanical Engineering
Professor of Engineering Systems
Daniel Hastings, Ph.D.
Professor of Engineering Systems and Aeronautics and Astronautics
Dean, Undergraduate Education
Randolph E. Kirchain, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Materials Science and Engineering Systems
Thomas A. Kochan, Ph.D.
George Maverick Bunker Professor of Management
Professor of Engineering Systems
Co-director, Institute for Work and Employment Research at MIT Sloan School of Management
Chair of the Faculty, MIT, 2009
Paul A. Lagacé, Ph.D.
Margaret MacVicar Faculty Fellow
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Richard Larson, Ph.D.
Mitsui Professor of Engineering Systems and Civil and Environmental Engineering
Director, Center for Engineering Systems Fundamentals
Nancy Leveson, Ph.D.
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Seth Lloyd, Ph.D.
Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
Stuart E. Madnick, Ph.D.
John Norris Maguire Professor of Information Technology and Engineering Systems
Co-Director, PROFIT Program
Christopher L. Magee, Ph.D.
Professor of the Practice of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
Co-Lead, Engineering Design and Advanced Manufacturing (EDAM) Focus Area, MIT Portugal Program
David Hunter Marks, Ph.D.
Morton and Claire Goulder Family Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
MIT Coordinator, Alliance for Global Sustainability
Lead, Sustainable Energy Systems Focus Area, MIT Portugal Program
Co-director, Masdar Initiative, Abu Dhabi
David A. Mindell, Ph.D.
Frances and David Dibner Professor
of the History of Engineering and Manufacturing
Professor of Engineering Systems
Margaret MacVicar Faculty Fellow
Director, Program in Science, Technology and Society
Sanjoy Mitter, Ph.D.
Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science and Engineering Systems
Fred Moavenzadeh, Ph.D.
James Mason Crafts Professor
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
Director, Technology and Development Program
Ernest J. Moniz, Ph.D.
Cecil and Ida Green Professor of Physics and Engineering Systems
Director, Laboratory for Energy and Environment
Director, MIT Energy Initiative
Joel Moses, Ph.D.
Institute Professor
Professor of Computer Science and Engineering Systems
Acting Director, Center for Technology, Policy and Industrial Development
Dava Newman, Ph.D.
Margaret MacVicar Faculty Fellow
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Director, Technology and Policy Program
Harvard-MIT Health, Sciences and Technology
Lead, Bio-Engineering Systems Focus Area, MIT Portugal Program
Deborah Nightingale, Ph.D.
Professor of the Practice of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Co-Director, Lean Advancement Initiative
Kenneth A. Oye, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Political Science and Engineering Systems
Donna H. Rhodes, Ph.D.
Senior Lecturer, Engineering Systems
Principal Research Scientist, SEAri and LAI
James Blayney Rice, Jr.
Director, Integrated Supply Chain Management Program, Center for Transportation and Logistics
Director, Supply Chain Exchange
Daniel Roos, Ph.D.
Japan Steel Industry Professor of Engineering Systems and Civil and Environmental Engineering
Director, MIT Portugal Program
Founding Director, MIT ESD
Donald B. Rosenfield, Ph.D.
Director, Leaders for Global Operations Program
Senior Lecturer, MIT Sloan School of Management
Warren P. Seering, Ph.D.
Weber-Shaughness Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
Yossi Sheffi, Ph.D.
Professor of Engineering Systems
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering
Director, Engineering Systems Division
Director, MIT Center for Transportation and Logistics
Director and Founder, Master of Engineering in Logistics Program
David Simchi-Levi, Ph.D.
Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
Co-Director, LGO and SDM Programs
John Sterman, Ph.D.
Jay W. Forrester Professor of Management and Engineering Systems
Director, System Dynamics Group
Joseph M. Sussman, Ph.D.
JR East Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Engineering Systems
James M. Utterback, Ph.D.
David J. McGrath jr (1959) Professor of Management and Innovation
Professor of Engineering Systems
Eric von Hippel, Ph.D.
T. Wilson (1953) Professor of Management
Professor of Engineering Systems
David R. Wallace, Ph.D.
Esther and Harold E. Edgerton Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering and Engineering Systems
Co-Director MIT CADlab
Mort David Webster, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Engineering Systems Division
Annalisa L. Weigel, Ph.D.
Jerome C. Hunsacker Assistant Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
Roy E. Welsch, Ph.D.
Professor of Statistics and Management Science and Engineering Systems
Daniel E. Whitney, Ph.D.
Senior Research Scientist, Center for Technology, Policy and Industrial Development
Senior Lecturer in Engineering Systems
Senior Lecturer in Mechanical Engineering
Sheila Widnall, Sc.D.
Institute Professor
Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Engineering Systems
John R. Williams, Ph.D.
Professor of Information Engineering, Civil and Environmental Engineering, and Engineering Systems
Director, Auto-ID Laboratory
Christopher Zegras, Ph.D.
Ford Career Development Assistant Professor of Transportation and Urban Planning in the Department of Urban Studies and Planning
Artin, Michael Professor of Mathematics
Algebraic Geometry, Non-Commutative Algebra
Auroux, Denis Professor of Mathematics
Symplectic Geometry
Bazant, Martin Associate Professor of Applied Mathematics
Behrens, Mark Assistant Professor of Mathematics
Algebraic Topology
Benney, David Professor of Applied Mathematics
Nonlinear Waves
Berger, Bonnie Professor of Applied Mathematics
I see no asian names.
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by Kuang_Grade » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:26 pm
blah, blah, blah, let me tell about the international conspiracy protecting madoff and it will make sure nothing going to happens to him.....blah, blah, blah.....black people are bad tippers, nowlet me tell you about cigars.....blah, blah, blah....Nottu, is it possible you could actually make one coherent point without rambling and trying to pile on sixteen other completely unrelated items to it?
I'm sure you could link US salsa consumption rates and the rise of advanced degrees awarded by US universities to foreign born students and that would be as equally informative and telling as trying to link video games to that trend. I mean, surely it has zero do to with the rise of H1-B visas, which have effectively under cut alot of the economic incentives for US born students to pursue higher levels of science degrees along with most business cutting or eliminating basic research spending, resulting in even fewer jobs and lower pay. Alot of the noise about shortages of skills are companies just looking to increase the number of H1-Bs because I know advanced degree engineers and hard science people who wanted to stay in the industry but only got salary offers lower than being a manager at fried chicken joint and/or jobs that had zero advancement potential and as result, they left the industry entirely and started to do other things, like law or finance where the pay and working conditions were better.
First off, sure video games are "one of the most destructive cultural phenomena"...After all, compared to something like drug abuse or alcohol, both of which are completely cultural, video games are just poison...never mind that drunk drivers killed, what, about 13,500 US folks in 2006?...I mean, come on, that's near beer for body count that video games produce every day....Mexico slipping into anarchy? Surely, that must be the result of the ruthless video game cartels operating down there....after all, if it wasn't video games, what could it have been?
Video games have been around for almost 40 years now and the republic hasn't imploded nor are Japan or other Asian countries completely lacking them either....Starcraft might as well be Korea's national sport given its popularity there. There's nothing you've said that people didn't also say about radio, movies or TV back in the day and none of it came true back then.
And unlike other passive pursuits, such as films, TV or listening to music, games are interactive....one has to participate with them in order to play them. So there are generations growing up learning how to deal with adversity, to be able to face problems, fail and then rise up and try again and creatively figure out a solution that does work, and to learn to be able to see the big picture while still being able to focus on the matter at hand, and with the rise of co-op multiplayer gaming, you have to learn how to deal with other people and to able to work as a team to accomplish a goal....Yeah, those are terrible, terrible skills to develop...No one in a lab or starting a business would have any use those kind of skills would they?....Watching the NFL would be so much better investment of time because there people can learn all the important things like steroids are good and being able to speak coherently is far less valuable than being able to hold on to a ball...I mean, really, that's the sort of stuff the people who are going to create the next billion dollar industry are going to need to know, isn't it?
And the US military has noticed that marksmanship levels the the time of induction have significantly increased over the last 20 years, which they attribute to the increased eye hand coordination developed from gaming. So those asshole gamer losers you speak of, alot of them are out in the field right now protecting your ass, which I'm sure is just fine with you, as that security gives you the time to talk and enjoy the truly important and meaningful things in life, like cigars.
I'm sure you could link US salsa consumption rates and the rise of advanced degrees awarded by US universities to foreign born students and that would be as equally informative and telling as trying to link video games to that trend. I mean, surely it has zero do to with the rise of H1-B visas, which have effectively under cut alot of the economic incentives for US born students to pursue higher levels of science degrees along with most business cutting or eliminating basic research spending, resulting in even fewer jobs and lower pay. Alot of the noise about shortages of skills are companies just looking to increase the number of H1-Bs because I know advanced degree engineers and hard science people who wanted to stay in the industry but only got salary offers lower than being a manager at fried chicken joint and/or jobs that had zero advancement potential and as result, they left the industry entirely and started to do other things, like law or finance where the pay and working conditions were better.
First off, sure video games are "one of the most destructive cultural phenomena"...After all, compared to something like drug abuse or alcohol, both of which are completely cultural, video games are just poison...never mind that drunk drivers killed, what, about 13,500 US folks in 2006?...I mean, come on, that's near beer for body count that video games produce every day....Mexico slipping into anarchy? Surely, that must be the result of the ruthless video game cartels operating down there....after all, if it wasn't video games, what could it have been?
Video games have been around for almost 40 years now and the republic hasn't imploded nor are Japan or other Asian countries completely lacking them either....Starcraft might as well be Korea's national sport given its popularity there. There's nothing you've said that people didn't also say about radio, movies or TV back in the day and none of it came true back then.
And unlike other passive pursuits, such as films, TV or listening to music, games are interactive....one has to participate with them in order to play them. So there are generations growing up learning how to deal with adversity, to be able to face problems, fail and then rise up and try again and creatively figure out a solution that does work, and to learn to be able to see the big picture while still being able to focus on the matter at hand, and with the rise of co-op multiplayer gaming, you have to learn how to deal with other people and to able to work as a team to accomplish a goal....Yeah, those are terrible, terrible skills to develop...No one in a lab or starting a business would have any use those kind of skills would they?....Watching the NFL would be so much better investment of time because there people can learn all the important things like steroids are good and being able to speak coherently is far less valuable than being able to hold on to a ball...I mean, really, that's the sort of stuff the people who are going to create the next billion dollar industry are going to need to know, isn't it?
And the US military has noticed that marksmanship levels the the time of induction have significantly increased over the last 20 years, which they attribute to the increased eye hand coordination developed from gaming. So those asshole gamer losers you speak of, alot of them are out in the field right now protecting your ass, which I'm sure is just fine with you, as that security gives you the time to talk and enjoy the truly important and meaningful things in life, like cigars.
The Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak.
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by IkemenTommy » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:23 pm
I don't know about you guys but my game is incredible. 
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Mmmm
by kurohinge1 » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:37 pm
Ketou (to nottu) wrote:I'm interested to know whats behind your thinking. . .
I think you've assumed too much, Ketou. There's plenty of posting by nottu, but little evidence of thinking by him (at least, no rational thought) and, worse still, his posts in this thread paint himself as a xenophobic racist.
Further, his conspiracy theories change when someone catches him out on some exaggerated (or false) claim, and now he's asking us to assume that none of the men with asian-sounding names studying for "advanced degrees" in U.S. universities likes to play video games themselves or wants to stay in the U.S. after they graduate.
Back on topic, if too much gaming by some is a problem, perhaps it is more a symptom of societal problems than the cause - like nottu's posts themselves, which don't cause his anti-social nature (ironic, in the context of this thread) but are definitely a symptom of it.
- "This is the verdict: . . . " (John 3:19-21)
- "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others" (Anon)
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by NexuoJin » Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:31 am
I liked some of the Gundam series. But coming from the creator of a franchise that displays very young adults, teenagers and even children involved in waging war, mass murder and even operating weapons of mass destructions. He really shouldn't point a finger at video games being "evil".
But than, Gamasutra article didn't provided the full context in which he made that comment. It's easy to portrait someone as a bigot or a hypocrite by leaving out the full context of their remarks.
Games are about decision making and reward, not much different than what people are doing every day of their life; like going to school to be educated to have a better future prospect or going work to get paid or posting on an internet forum as a troll extraordinaire for egomasturbation and intellectgasm. Albeit being in a fictive and/or imaginary setting equipped with an on/off button.
Than there are different types of (video-)games out there. There are (video-)games that require -in varying degree- skills, wits, cunning, knowledge, dedication, communication; and/or combination of them.
But lately there are more video games produced that requires non of above mentioned virtues. Games produced solely with the intention for the player to 'grind' to advance in the game and getting rewarded for every little silly thing you can imagine. Where the actions it self to earn rewards are often of repetitive and utterly simplistic nature. Kinda like what drugs and alcohol do that gives you a quick buzz or high to feel 'better' with doing little to nothing.
From this aspect, i do agree that video games are "evil".
But ultimately, it's not really the video games itself that are evil. Video games didn't designed, programmed, promoted, shipped and sold itself: people did.
But than, Gamasutra article didn't provided the full context in which he made that comment. It's easy to portrait someone as a bigot or a hypocrite by leaving out the full context of their remarks.
Games are about decision making and reward, not much different than what people are doing every day of their life; like going to school to be educated to have a better future prospect or going work to get paid or posting on an internet forum as a troll extraordinaire for egomasturbation and intellectgasm. Albeit being in a fictive and/or imaginary setting equipped with an on/off button.
Than there are different types of (video-)games out there. There are (video-)games that require -in varying degree- skills, wits, cunning, knowledge, dedication, communication; and/or combination of them.
But lately there are more video games produced that requires non of above mentioned virtues. Games produced solely with the intention for the player to 'grind' to advance in the game and getting rewarded for every little silly thing you can imagine. Where the actions it self to earn rewards are often of repetitive and utterly simplistic nature. Kinda like what drugs and alcohol do that gives you a quick buzz or high to feel 'better' with doing little to nothing.
From this aspect, i do agree that video games are "evil".
But ultimately, it's not really the video games itself that are evil. Video games didn't designed, programmed, promoted, shipped and sold itself: people did.
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