Things can always get worse. They just did.

[TFG]

No, unfortunately it is exactly how it is.
Not that I give a toss if anyone thinks otherwise in this situation.

[FG Lurker]

No, unfortunately it is exactly how it is.
Not that I give a toss if anyone thinks otherwise in this situation.

Hopefully your next life will go better. ]I did use the embassy card with immigration once and they jumped threw hoops after the consulate called them. Although, this is a much different case.
Still, I will give them a call in the morning.[/QUOTE]
It's a drug charge. If the cops pursue it (and they almost certainly will) the embassy is not going to be able to help get you off the hook.

I hope you like concrete with no heat. Hey, at least you won't have to worry about how to pay rent or get a job!

[American Oyaji]

Dude, I suggest you grab your shit and head to the embassy now.

Tell them the sob story about your wife and how you dont have the cash to get home or live.

Stay at the embassy or wherever they put you up until you leave.

[TFG]

So, there is at least a little hope.

If any of the people that supported me through this would like details PM and for those that were not so constructive, Well what can I say?:confused:

[Charles]

...They told me to go to the police box where the cops are from..

Did they tell you to empty your pockets of any contraband before going to the koban?

[FG Lurker]

If any of the people that supported me through this would like details PM and for those that were not so constructive, Well what can I say?:confused:

If the cops have dropped this then you are one lucky motherfucker.

If they haven't dropped it you will soon wish you had taken the advice you now consider to be "not so constructive".

[TFG]

Shit, Read the headlines on the Mainichi news about the Nova teachers just busted! Seems like a trend.


Ok, here is the latest deal.

The cops just told me that they did not order the urine tests or indeed any other tests, were not on the scene in the ambulance.
Showa University hospital did these tests without asking permission nor knowledge right on their own.
The fucking hospital is now refusing to destroy those documents and are saying they had the right to do the test without my knowledge or consent.

Don't ever go to SHOWA DAIGAKU BYOIN!

[GomiGirl]

Can I just suggest that instead of smoking weed and spending time with the police and the embassy over human rights violations, you buy a paper and find a job?

If you are in as much trouble financially as you claim, it seems you are not doing that much to solve it and are much more concerned with creating and solving other problems.

I have no problem with weed smoking - but it is supposed to be a good way of relaxing after a hard days work and not as a substitute for same. Recreation comes after your responsibilities.

Just my two cents.

[TFG]

That is exactly what I have been doing for the last year!
Posts edited for a very valid reason.

[Greji]

The embassy has taken the names of the attending police and the head of the hospital and wants to contact them saying that this is a violation of a person's basic human rights.

Legally, it goes down to why did the hospital take, or make the urinalysis. Did they do this as part of their diagnostic treatment? If so it is perfectly legal and if it showed THC or any illegal/prohibited substance, it's up to the police to pursue it and they like to do that, especially with FGs.

Your only hope in that case is the lack of physical evidence, to include residue. The police can however, obtain a search warrant based on the test results.

If the hospital conducted the tests as an after thought, or at the request of the police, it might possibly be an illegal instrusive search. Another "however", is that this matter would have to be decided in court, which means charges applied based on the search. But if the police can show they had any sort of probable cause (and there are a great many reasons for probable cause in Japan), it will, more than likely, be ruled legal.

At any rate, you probably need to find out if there is an investigation on going (if you can) and also not be surprised if the police show up at your door wanting to look at your socks and vacuum your floor and pockets. Even possession of seeds is a violation in Japan. If you have not been called in, or detained for questioning, it would seem that they are not pursuing it at this point, but you can't bet on it. After 23 days, they have to refer any case to the Procurator (DA), so if they logged it as an investigative incident at the time. You'll know for sure at the 23 day point. If they logged it as intell for future use, you need to be squeaky clean for quite a while.

As far as the Embassy goes, it's nice that they are concerned and have taken names, but this is not their country and they don't have any jurisdiction, so that won't stop a police investigation just because they complain, even if they are right. It might make that particular police station slow down with the next guy, but it may be too late to be of any help on your case.

The major thing is just what exactly did your urine results show, because that is apparently the only evidence to date?

[TFG]

Well, I am sure the urine test was not made for treatment purposes.
It was made for the purpose of evidence and nothing more.


As for seeds being illegal in Japan, that is certainly not the case as they sold on Japanese websites quite openly. Propagating seeds is illegal but possession is certainly not and they even charge Japanese consumption tax on them.

Anyway from what I just heard from a very good source we are going to see much more of this sort of thing from now on and it is going to be targeted towards foreigners.

Stay cool people and editing your posts may be a good idea.

[amdg]

Not to rain on the parade, but unless the doctor just came out and said in front of everyone “I’m going to do an unnecessary urine analysis so I can give it to the police”, it’s a very simple matter to establish that the test was done in the normal course of patient care: Follow the logic -

1. Patient needs medical care due to ingestion of illicit drugs.
2. Doctor needs to find out what drug(s) were ingested.
3. Therefore, doctor needs to either

(a) rely on what the incoherent, drugged up, 2nd language-speaking, self confessed criminal FG says,
OR
(b) perform a combination of blood/urine tests.

It couldn't be any simpler. (Unless there's something you know that we don't)

BTW - TFG, I'm not ragging on you, but that's just the way I can see the prosecutor playing it out in court.

[TFG]

Yeah, there is one thing.
The docs said I can tell them the real deal because they are bound by medical ethics. So I told them the real deal and they then had no need to do the tests.

By the way, many of the problems which originally got me into that ambulance appear like they could be related to colchicine poisoning.

[Tsuru]

I was going to type up a lengthy reply about why what you did was so very very stupid, but as most people on here have already pretty much done so I'm not going to bother.

I hope you learned your lesson, because as Pongi-san says, fuck up a second time and they'll be waiting for you. If you really want to do drugs fly to Canada or Holland, but for Pete's sake don't do it here. Ever.

[amdg]

Oh dear, I think you need to immediately stop telling people ‘the real deal’.

There are no ‘medical ethics’ that any doctor in the world holds, as far as I know, that prevents him or her from testing a trauma patient for drugs and recording it on the patient record.

From here on out you need to be way much more savvy about what happens around you.

Japanese doctors who have a duty to help you stay alive, may not have a vested interest in keeping you staying around their neighborhood where their friends and kids live. In fact, they may have a vested interest in seeing you go to jail. Same goes for policemen.

[Greji]

As for seeds being illegal in Japan, that is certainly not the case as they sold on Japanese websites quite openly. Propagating seeds is illegal but possession is certainly not and they even charge Japanese consumption tax on them.

Well, I am certainly glad that you know, because they are sold for bird seed, but possession is illegal without any other proof of use i.e. having the bird seed package and having a bird. Any additional evidence plays worse for you.

Having said that, I can tell you for a fact that it is a chargeable offense, but of course you don't have to believe me, or anybody on the board for that matter. Possession in Japan means any parts of the cannabis sativa plant.

You also cannot be sure about the urine test. If the police have reason to believe a crime has been committed they can direct testing in most cases, the question is what was in the urine specimen? That will determine further action on their part.

[AssKissinger]

TFG, does your wife know about all this?

I think you can kiss that house goodbye either way. Why the fuck aren't you getting the fuck out of Japan?

[Blah Pete]

Damn - I have led such a sheltered life.. how does one get hooked on cough medicine pray tell?

Cough medicine such as Braun (not sure of the English spelling) has codine in it. I new a J-girl who was hooked on it and ran up a huge shakkin. Her husband ended up divorcing her to protect their kid and I never found out what happened to her.
The US military guys are supposedly bannned from pharmecies in J-land and Korea because of this.

[TFG]

Ok if seeds are illigal how do you explain this advertised all over the web with shops in Tokyo you can actually walk in and buy them from?
Get it right or don't bother with the bullshit.

http://cart1.fc2.com/cart/mannaka/

[AssKissinger]

What??? You can get lean otc in Japan?

[TFG]

So much for the bullshit gurus.

[TFG]

Mmmm this is interesting.

I just heard from a Japanese source that unlike other certain substances here usage of the erb is not illegal, only possession is illegal.

Strange logic but this was from a lawyer who specializes in this matter.

[Mulboyne]

I just heard from a Japanese source that unlike other certain substances here usage of the erb is not illegal, only possession is illegal.

Gboothe could tell you a lot more than that if you'd care to stop insulting him.

[TFG]

I wasn't aware I had insulted him.
Sensitive kind are we?

[Uhhuh35]

I wasn't aware I had insulted him.
Sensitive kind are we?

Wow, alot of people are trying to help you and the situation you put yourself into and that's how you thank them?

[AssKissinger]

Yeah boyeeee

and listen to Coltrane biiiiiaaaaaaatch

[FG Lurker]

Wow, alot of people are trying to help you and the situation you put yourself into and that's how you thank them?

Sounds rather a lot like yourself actually.....

[rooboy]

I offered some reasonable advice to TFG on another thread he started. I advised him to try Berlitz and to do some other things.

Then I find theres a whole new thread by TFG that seems related to being busted. I wanted to read it but it's been edited.

So I get from this - TFG had some incident w/an illegal drug, had to go to Showa Daigaku Byoin for treatment and while there had a blood/urine test that showed evidence of illegal drug taking. Right?

The byoin called the cops - right? For now no action's being taken - yeah?

Then I read about the Nova bust. Personally I don't understand why a man in his 40s with a lot of years in Japan compared to a green gaijin in their 20s couldn't -

Go and find just temporary part time jobs to help his finances
And now, stop posting about this other situation and do something concrete. Like prepare to go home.

I aint surprised other posters are cynical. We've all known truly fucked gaijin or read about them - sign up for Blacktokyo com and read about a guy who was in a really shitty position and lived rough in Japan. He offers great survival tips and he was in a worse position cos he didn't have a degree.

If TFG has no money as he says and doesn't want to find work as seems the case, then how come he has money to keep posting here? Home internet access costs money, internet cafes cost money. Why can't he use the net to find work - shit there are heaps of sites relevant to each region of Japan in English where the latest jobs (inc part time) are advertised.

As for him hanging around after this Nova shit - it doesnt make sense. I knew a guy who left Japan after not paying rent for 5 months, long story. He owed health insurance, ward tax and utilities. He bought a ticket asap and left.

I don't believe TFG has NO funds to buy an airline ticket. If he doesn't he should get his ass to the Consulate of his country. If he doesnt, then obviously hanging around posting on the net (with the money it costs) tells us to smell a rat.

[Greji]

Get it right or don't bother with the bullshit.

I see you really want help. However, with your fucked-up head, it doesn't seem to matter to you if you get it.

The following are quotes from the translated Cannabis Control Law. If you read the whole thing which I will link for you, you will find that they have licensed persons for handling hemp, who can possess and sell any parts of the plant, to include seeds.

Also, the Japanese consider that use is inherant of possession, so if you are high, or have it in your system you would have possessed, capice?

Please note the following excerpts for your education and if you don't believe this either, I won't try to get it right any further dip shit!

For the rest of our fellow FGs, I'm sorry this is so long, but he pissed me off.

Cannibis Control Law:
".....CHAPTER I GENERAL PROVISIONS
Article 1.
The term "cannabis" in this Law means the cannabis plant (Cannabis Sativa, L.) and the substances manufactured from cannabis plant, excluding the mature stalk of the cannabis plant, any other substances produced therefrom (except resin), and the seed of the cannabis plant and other substances produced therefrom......"

Now the fun part:

".....CHAPTER VI PENAL PROVISIONS
Article 24.
Any person who unlawfully cultivates, imports to Japan or any other country, or exports from Japan or any other country cannabis shall be liable to penal servitude not exceeding 7 years.

2. Any person who commits an offense prescribed in the preceding paragraph for the purpose of gain shall be liable to penal servitude not exceeding 10 years or to both penal servitude not exceeding 10 years and a fine not exceeding 3,000,000 yen according to the circumstances.

3. An attempt to commit any of the offenses prescribed in the preceding two paragraphs shall be liable to punishment.

Article 24-2.
Any person who unlawfully possesses, receives, or transfers cannabis shall be liable to penal servitude not exceeding 5 years.

2. Any person who commits an offense prescribed in the preceding paragraph for the purpose of gain shall be liable to penal servitude not exceeding 7 years or to both penal servitude not exceeding 7 years and a fine not exceeding 2,000,000 yen according to the circumstances.

3. An attempt to commit any of the offenses prescribed in the preceding two paragraphs shall be liable to punishment.

Article 24-3.
Any person who comes under any of the following items shall be liable to penal servitude not exceeding 5 years.

(1) A person who uses cannabis in contravention of the provision of Paragraph 1 or 2 of Article 3

(2) A person who administers, supplies for administering or undergoes the administering of medicine manufactured from cannabis in contravention of the provision of Article 4

(3) A person who violates the provision of Article 14

2. Any person who commits an offense prescribed in the preceding paragraph for the purpose of gain shall be liable to penal servitude not exceeding 7 years or to both penal servitude not exceeding 7 years and a fine not exceeding 2,000,000 yen according to the circumstances.

3. An attempt to commit any of the offenses prescribed in the preceding two paragraphs shall be liable to punishment.

Article 24-4.
Any person who commits a preparatory act in connection with any of the offenses prescribed in Paragraph 1 or 2 of Article 24 shall be liable to penal servitude not exceeding 3 years.

Article 24-5.
Cannabis possessed or owned by a criminal under the offenses prescribed in Articles 24 through the preceding article shall be liable to confiscation. However, in case it belongs to any other person than the criminal, it may not be confiscated.

2. Any ship, aircraft or motor vehicle used for transportation of cannabis in the course of committing any of the offenses prescribed in the preceding paragraph (excluding the offenses prescribed in Article 24-3) shall be liable to confiscation.

Article 24-6.
Any person who, with knowledge of the circumstances, provides the funds, land, building, ship, aircraft, motor vehicle, equipment, machinery, tools or raw material (including the seeds of the cannabis) required for the act of committing any of the offenses prescribed in Paragraph 1 or 2 of Article 24 or transports, shall be liable to penal servitude not exceeding 3 years....."

I hope you can get it right now. The law is the law.....

[Captain Japan]

2 Dutch, 2 Japanese arrested over 50 kg of smuggled marijuana
Kyodo

Two Dutch and two Japanese men have been arrested for allegedly possessing around 50 kilograms of marijuana imported from the Netherlands, police sources said Wednesday.

The Osaka prefectural police believe a large smuggling ring is behind the marijuana shipment with an estimated street value of about 200 million yen, the sources said.

Divided into small plastic bags, it was detected inside a sea cargo container carrying several mountain bikes that arrived at Nanko port in Osaka City in late January, according to the sources.

The container was registered as one for importing bicycles with a business in Osaka's Higashinari Ward as a consignee.

The police on Monday arrested the four men ranging from a teenager to one in his 40s for their alleged involvement in receiving the container, the sources said.

About 300-700 kg of marijuana is seized annually by customs services across Japan -- the largest amount among illegal drugs --with many smuggling attempts involving the use of suitcases and cans, Osaka customs officials said.