Home | Forums | Mark forums read | Search | FAQ | Login

Advanced search
Hot Topics
Coligny hot topic Your gonna be Rich: a rising Yen
Buraku hot topic Post your 'You Tube' videos of interest.
Buraku hot topic Japanese Can't Handle Being Fucked In Paris
Buraku hot topic MARS...Let's Go!
Buraku hot topic Hollywood To Adapt "Death Note"
Buraku hot topic Steven Seagal? Who's that?
Buraku hot topic There'll be fewer cows getting off that Qantas flight
Buraku hot topic If they'll elect a black POTUS, why not Japanese?
Buraku hot topic "Unthinkable as a female pope in Rome"
Buraku hot topic Is anything real here?
Change font size
  • fuckedgaijin ‹ General ‹ F*cked News ‹ Another newbie reporter "discovers" Japan

Japan's Dark Night Of The Soul

Post a reply
35 posts • Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2

Japan's Dark Night Of The Soul

Postby Mulboyne » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:18 pm

[floatl]Image[/floatl]CBN: Japan: Filling the God Vacuum
Contrary to popular belief, Japan is far from being a "reached" country with a growing, vibrant church. In fact, Japan has fewer baptized believers in Jesus Christ than some Muslim countries. Christianity in Japan has faced an uphill battle for hundreds of years...As recent as World War II the emperor called himself god, demanding the worship of his country. After Hiroshima and surrender, the call went out for 1,000 missionaries. U.S. General Douglas MacArthur called Japan a spiritual vacuum. Sixty years later, it still remains leaving a state of confusion. Many have looked to the economy to fill their 'God vacuum.' But recently it's been faltering, and many jaded Japanese have lost hope. One Japanese, called Kiku, explained, "But now we have everything, but what is lacking is purpose. Why are we here? We can't answer the question 'who are you?' unless we know the Creator God -- then everything makes sense." "There is what you might call a 'dark night of the soul' to use that phrase to describe the Japanese right now," said renowned researcher George Gallup, Jr. In fact, Gallup found that 11 percent of the Japanese wish they had never even been born. That's reflected in the country's unusually high suicide rate. But a new survey by Gallup says that might be changing. When asked about their religion, four percent of adults and seven percent of teenagers checked "Christian," out of a list of many different religions...Pastor Hosoi Makoto leads a congregation in Tokyo. He said, "From our point of view, the sense we have that the percentage suddenly went from under one percent to maybe five times that is, uh, unimaginable -- and we don't get the feeling that that has actually happened"...One of the reasons why so many Japanese feel they can associate themselves with Christianity is the popularity of Western or Christian-style weddings. Gallup said, "It's the element of joy that comes through in the Christian weddings that appeals to the Japanese." Beyond that, the Japanese love affair with all things Western means a growing number of them are trading in the traditional kimono for the big white dress and tux. Another reason the Japanese are softening up to the message of the Bible is the incredible phenomenon of black Gospel music. Believe it or not, the reserved Japanese love the toe-tapping, finger-snapping, always swaying music...more...
User avatar
Mulboyne
 
Posts: 18608
Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 1:39 pm
Location: London
Top

Postby Taro Toporific » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:11 pm

[floatr]Image[/floatr]
Mulboyne wrote:[floatl]Image[/floatl]CBN: Japan: Filling the God Vacuum


As I have regaled to some of you FGs over beers, I used to be a close friend with a former chief statistician/actuary of the LDS church (aka Mormons). He described the business of sending Mormon missionaries to Japan as a huge drain in the effective use LDS resources. That is, the Mormon church has gained very few Japanese converts compared to HUGE losses of young missionaries to the "charms" of Japan. :love2: :beer: :coffee:
_________
FUCK THE 2020 OLYMPICS!
User avatar
Taro Toporific
 
Posts: 10021532
Images: 0
Joined: Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:02 pm
Top

good

Postby james » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:42 pm

the last thing we need is more g-d damn christianity.
"Cause I'm stranded all alone, in the gas station of love, and I have to use the self-service pumps.."

- "Weird Al" Yankovic
User avatar
james
 
Posts: 1829
Images: 1
Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:21 am
Location: off the deep end
Top

Postby Greji » Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:06 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:That is, the Mormon church has gained very few Japanese converts compared to HUGE losses of young missionaries to the "charms" of Japan. :love2: :beer: :coffee:


It's interesting to note that the young Mormon fellows are not vaccinated against YBF.
:cool:
"There are those that learn by reading. Then a few who learn by observation. The rest have to piss on an electric fence and find out for themselves!"- Will Rogers
:kanpai:
User avatar
Greji
 
Posts: 14357
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:00 pm
Location: Yoshiwara
Top

Postby Mike Oxlong » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:10 pm

gboothe wrote:It's interesting to note that the young Mormon fellows are not vaccinated against YBF.
:cool:

It's my understanding there is no vaccine. A few unlucky souls are naturally resistant to the bug, but it is a sneaky thing this YBF:devil2:
•I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery.•
User avatar
Mike Oxlong
 
Posts: 6818
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:47 pm
Location: 古き良き日本
Top

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:52 pm

Mormons aren't Christian.
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -- Mark Twain
User avatar
Samurai_Jerk
Maezumo
 
Posts: 14387
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:11 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Postby Taro Toporific » Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:16 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Mormons aren't Christian.


Shhhhh, everybody in the know understands that Mormons are aliens.


Are Mormons Christian?
Yes vs No

Take the Belief-O-Matic(tm).
_________
FUCK THE 2020 OLYMPICS!
User avatar
Taro Toporific
 
Posts: 10021532
Images: 0
Joined: Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:02 pm
Top

Postby Choeki » Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:30 am

I recall hearing somewhere that the last modern significant population of Japanese Christians was concentrated in the city of Nagasaki during the war years due to persecution by the state and was subsequently wiped out by the atomic bomb dropped there by the allies near the end of the war.

Anyone know if there is some truth to this?
User avatar
Choeki
Maezumo
 
Posts: 109
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:06 pm
Location: Outside of Japan
Top

Postby Fluwten McGunch » Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:00 am

The less religion the better. Period.
Offended yet?

http://filn.blogspot.com
User avatar
Fluwten McGunch
Maezumo
 
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:14 pm
Location: West Dicksville
  • Website
Top

Postby Charles » Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:01 am

Choeki wrote:I recall hearing somewhere that the last modern significant population of Japanese Christians was concentrated in the city of Nagasaki during the war years due to persecution by the state and was subsequently wiped out by the atomic bomb dropped there by the allies near the end of the war.

Anyone know if there is some truth to this?

It's true.
User avatar
Charles
Maezumo
 
Posts: 4050
Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:14 am
Top

Postby Socratesabroad » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:34 am

james in the peanut gallery wrote:the last thing we need is more g-d damn christianity.

fluwten, also in the peanut gallery wrote:The less religion the better. Period.


Ahhh, the peanut gallery has spoken. Sadly, they've managed to humiliate themselves rather than those they intend to denigrate.

I could understand being areligious, but being anti-religious is sheer hubris.

Religions like Christianity offer comfort and provide moral guidance to billions of people worldwide every day. And the two of you deign to mock and criticise such a venerable institution? Pathetic.

Ah, but then you might mention the fundamentalists and nuts. They do exist, but blaming religion for their existence is akin to blaming heavy metal music because warped fans commit suicide.

Remaining ambivalent about religion is one thing, but actively attacking it, as if from some position of knowledge or authority, smacks of unabated arrogance.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming...
User avatar
Socratesabroad
Maezumo
 
Posts: 781
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:13 am
Top

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:39 am

Charles wrote:It's true.


Catholics aren't Christian.
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -- Mark Twain
User avatar
Samurai_Jerk
Maezumo
 
Posts: 14387
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:11 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Postby jingai » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:22 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Catholics aren't Christian.


Isn't that what the KKK say?
User avatar
jingai
Maezumo
 
Posts: 1232
Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:34 pm
Location: Sendai
Top

Postby Mulboyne » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:15 am

The reason I put this in the "newbie" reporter section is that I can't for the life of me understand who might think the "popular belief" is that Japan has "a growing, vibrant church" or who "the many" are who "have looked to the economy to fill their 'God vacuum'".

Taro already drew attention to the Gallup poll results in this thread. Without seeing the methodology, it's not really possible to say anything about the results but you have to wonder about a claim like "It's the element of joy that comes through in the Christian weddings that appeals to the Japanese."
User avatar
Mulboyne
 
Posts: 18608
Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 1:39 pm
Location: London
Top

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:28 pm

jingai wrote:Isn't that what the KKK say?


Not anymore!

... for the first time in the Klan's history, women were accepted as equal members and Catholics were encouraged to apply for membership.
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -- Mark Twain
User avatar
Samurai_Jerk
Maezumo
 
Posts: 14387
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:11 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Postby 6810 » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:07 pm

Socratesabroad wrote:Ahhh, the peanut gallery has spoken. Sadly, they've managed to humiliate themselves rather than those they intend to denigrate.

I could understand being areligious, but being anti-religious is sheer hubris.

Religions like Christianity offer comfort and provide moral guidance to billions of people worldwide every day. And the two of you deign to mock and criticise such a venerable institution? Pathetic.

Ah, but then you might mention the fundamentalists and nuts. They do exist, but blaming religion for their existence is akin to blaming heavy metal music because warped fans commit suicide.

Remaining ambivalent about religion is one thing, but actively attacking it, as if from some position of knowledge or authority, smacks of unabated arrogance.


What's wrong with "attacking" or even outright rejecting religion.

For as many billions as you say it comforts, so to does religion oppress, devalue and dehumanise.
User avatar
6810
Maezumo
 
Posts: 376
Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:09 pm
Top

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:35 pm

6810 wrote:What's wrong with "attacking" or even outright rejecting religion.

For as many billions as you say it comforts, so to does religion oppress, devalue and dehumanise.


But is that unique to religion? It would seem that any system of philosophy, religious or secular, can be used to oppress and destroy people's lives. Stalin and Mao used communism as an excuse to kill more people than anyone else in history. The only defense I've heard against this from believers in communism is that they weren't really communists. That's exactly what Muslims say about al Qaeda.
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -- Mark Twain
User avatar
Samurai_Jerk
Maezumo
 
Posts: 14387
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:11 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Postby Hanakuso » Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:04 pm

Socratesabroad wrote:Remaining ambivalent about religion is one thing, but actively attacking it, as if from some position of knowledge or authority, smacks of unabated arrogance.


Being Christian is hardly remaining ambivalent about religion.

To criticise and slander those two and then praise your "venerable institution" you are doing exactly as they are.
User avatar
Hanakuso
Maezumo
 
Posts: 160
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:13 pm
Location: Tropical Nagoya
Top

Postby GuyJean » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:15 pm

Socratesabroad wrote:..Ah, but then you might mention the fundamentalists and nuts..
Those darned extremists always mess everything up..
..The Crusades were a series of military campaigns of a religious character waged by Christians from 1095-1291, usually sanctioned by the Pope[1] in the name of Christendom.. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
;)

GJ
[SIZE="1"]Worthy Linkage: SomaFM Net Radio - Slate Explainer - MercyCorp Donations - FG Donations - TDV DailyMotion Vids - OnionTV[/SIZE]
User avatar
GuyJean
 
Posts: 5720
Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:44 pm
Location: Taro's Old Butt Plug
  • Website
Top

Postby American Oyaji » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:41 pm

Some of those early popes lived lives of excess no different from some Roman emperors. Some of them were murderers, pimps and womanizers.

GJ. Please tell the WHOLE story.

"The Crusades were a series of military campaigns of a religious character waged by Christians from 1095-1291, usually sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom, with the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred Holy Land from Muslim rule and originally launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuq dynasty into Anatolia."

It was basically no difference in nature than the U.S.'s push against the expansion of communism, but the philosophy and reasoning was different.
I will not abide ignorant intolerance just for the sake of getting along.
User avatar
American Oyaji
 
Posts: 6540
Images: 0
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 9:20 pm
Location: The Evidence of Things Unseen
  • ICQ
  • YIM
  • Personal album
Top

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:12 pm

American Oyaji wrote:Some of those early popes lived lives of excess no different from some Roman emperors. Some of them were murderers, pimps and womanizers.

GJ. Please tell the WHOLE story.

"The Crusades were a series of military campaigns of a religious character waged by Christians from 1095-1291, usually sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom, with the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred Holy Land from Muslim rule and originally launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuq dynasty into Anatolia."

It was basically no difference in nature than the U.S.'s push against the expansion of communism, but the philosophy and reasoning was different.


Thank you AO. It's funny how people act the crusaders just attacked the poor peaceful Muslims in the East who were just minding their own business. I'm not saying they were good guys, but their actions were pretty much par for the course in that day and age and they were fighting an empire every bit as brutal as theirs. I guess the Jews and Christian heresies did get screwed though, since they were much worse off under the rule of Rome than that of the Seljuks.
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -- Mark Twain
User avatar
Samurai_Jerk
Maezumo
 
Posts: 14387
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:11 am
Location: Tokyo
Top

Postby GuyJean » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:11 am

American Oyaji wrote:GJ. Please tell the WHOLE story.

"The Crusades were a series of military campaigns of a religious character waged by Christians from 1095-1291, usually sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom, with the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred Holy Land from Muslim rule and originally launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuq dynasty into Anatolia."
Yeah.. And?
American Oyaji wrote:Some of those early popes lived lives of excess no different from some Roman emperors. Some of them were murderers, pimps and womanizers.

So the popes were the extremists? My point was directed towards Socrates' comment about religion 'providing moral guidance to billions of people worldwide every day.'.. I don't dispute that. In fact, I was raised 'religious'.. I only wanted to point out a time when the 'moral guidance' seemed to be a bit skewed.. Of course, we had the Holy City first.. And they were Muslims.. I'm sure Jesus would've done the same.. ;)

GJ
[SIZE="1"]Worthy Linkage: SomaFM Net Radio - Slate Explainer - MercyCorp Donations - FG Donations - TDV DailyMotion Vids - OnionTV[/SIZE]
User avatar
GuyJean
 
Posts: 5720
Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:44 pm
Location: Taro's Old Butt Plug
  • Website
Top

Postby Greji » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:20 am

Some of those early popes lived lives of excess no different from some Roman emperors. Some of them were murderers, pimps and womanizers.


Nice work, if you can get it!
:cool:
"There are those that learn by reading. Then a few who learn by observation. The rest have to piss on an electric fence and find out for themselves!"- Will Rogers
:kanpai:
User avatar
Greji
 
Posts: 14357
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:00 pm
Location: Yoshiwara
Top

Postby Mike Oxlong » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:26 am

With the Silk Road and all, I wonder if any popes were exposed to YBF...?
•I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery.•
User avatar
Mike Oxlong
 
Posts: 6818
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:47 pm
Location: 古き良き日本
Top

Postby Greji » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:45 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:With the Silk Road and all, I wonder if any popes were exposed to YBF...?


No chance. If they were, the Vatican would be in Kobe!
:cool:
"There are those that learn by reading. Then a few who learn by observation. The rest have to piss on an electric fence and find out for themselves!"- Will Rogers
:kanpai:
User avatar
Greji
 
Posts: 14357
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:00 pm
Location: Yoshiwara
Top

Postby Mike Oxlong » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:03 pm

gboothe wrote:No chance. If they were, the Vatican would be in Kobe!
:cool:

Maybe the popes pioneered 'delivery health' :) Zheng He coulda been running YB west, then bringing exotic animals of another sort back to the Emperor.
•I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery.•
User avatar
Mike Oxlong
 
Posts: 6818
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:47 pm
Location: 古き良き日本
Top

Postby Greji » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:23 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:Maybe the popes pioneered 'delivery health' :) Zheng He coulda been running YB west, then bringing exotic animals of another sort back to the Emperor.


So that's where all those goats came from!
:cool:
"There are those that learn by reading. Then a few who learn by observation. The rest have to piss on an electric fence and find out for themselves!"- Will Rogers
:kanpai:
User avatar
Greji
 
Posts: 14357
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:00 pm
Location: Yoshiwara
Top

Postby Charles » Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:57 am

[quote="GuyJean"]Yeah.. And?

So the popes were the extremists? My point was directed towards Socrates' comment about religion 'providing moral guidance to billions of people worldwide every day.'.. I don't dispute that. In fact, I was raised 'religious'.. I only wanted to point out a time when the 'moral guidance' seemed to be a bit skewed.. Of course, we had the Holy City first.. And they were Muslims.. I'm sure Jesus would've done the same.. ]
Speaking of the Holy City, here's an amusing video I ran across yesterday, a parable about the Children's Crusade, appearing as a crude animatic for a censored episode of Ren & Stimpy. You can see why this episode was never produced.
User avatar
Charles
Maezumo
 
Posts: 4050
Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:14 am
Top

Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:26 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:Mormons aren't Christian.

Are Mormons Christian?
Yes vs No
Take the Belief-O-Matic(tm).

[floatl]Image[/floatl]


President Gordon B. Hinckley dies at age 97
Pres. Hinckley seen as 'father of LDS {Morman} Church in the Orient'
Deseret Morning News - Sunday, Jan. 27, 2008 11:21 p.m. MST
President Gordon B. Hinckley's ties to the LDS Church in Asia were so strong that one scholar has called him "the father of the church in the Orient"....
..."In 1960, the church was weak and small in Asia," President Hinckley said in the video. "[SIZE="5"]The seed had been planted in Japan[/SIZE], Taiwan and Korea by faithful Latter-day Saints in military service.....

Image
User avatar
Taro Toporific
 
Posts: 10021532
Images: 0
Joined: Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:02 pm
Top

Postby Catoneinutica » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:42 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:[floatl]Image[/floatl]


President Gordon B. Hinckley dies at age 97
Pres. Hinckley seen as 'father of LDS {Morman} Church in the Orient'
Deseret Morning News - Sunday, Jan. 27, 2008 11:21 p.m. MST
President Gordon B. Hinckley's ties to the LDS Church in Asia were so strong that one scholar has called him "the father of the church in the Orient"....
..."In 1960, the church was weak and small in Asia," President Hinckley said in the video. "[SIZE="5"]The seed had been planted in Japan[/SIZE], Taiwan and Korea by faithful Latter-day Saints in military service.....

Image


<Pours can of shitty happoshu on the ground> Here's to ya, Gord, ya old bastard!

-catone
-cum, cum ye Saints
-Taber Mormonacle
"If there's a river, we'll dam it, and if there's a tree, we'll ram it - 'cause we Japanese are talkin' progress!"
User avatar
Catoneinutica
 
Posts: 1953
Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:23 pm
Top

Next

Post a reply
35 posts • Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2

Return to Another newbie reporter "discovers" Japan

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

  • Board index
  • The team • Delete all board cookies • All times are UTC + 9 hours
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group