Japanese jazz pianist beaten up on NYC subway

[Buraku]

Jazz pianist is savagely beaten up in Harlem
https://slippedisc.com/2020/10/jazz-pia ... in-harlem/

"New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer said in a tweet: 'We can't tolerate acts of hate and we must fight bigotry on all fronts."

'Tadataka Unno, 40, who may never be able to play the piano again, was exiting the West 135th Street and St. '

'A renowned Japanese jazz pianist has been robbed of his ability to play his instrument after he was attacked by eight teenagers at a train station in New York City. '
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ubway.html
'Nicholas Avenue subway station in Harlem on September 27 when the suspects blocked the turnstiles and confronted him. ', "According to his website, he has been living in New York City since 2008. 'Thank you everyone for your prayers, love and tremendous support for Tadataka and Family,' the website reads."

Tadataka Unno, 40, was leaving the W. 135th station near St. Nicholas Park around 7:30 p.m. on Sept. 27 and tried to get around a group of teens blocking the exit turnstile. One of the girls pushed him, claiming that the musician had bumped into her, cops said. “My girl is pregnant!” her boyfriend screamed, as he repeatedly punched Unno in the head, police said. The musician, known to friends as Tada, tried to scramble out of the station but the enraged teen knocked him on the ground and screamed “Chinese!” police sources said. Jazz pianist Benny Green described Unno as a “gentle and non-violent person.” “I just can’t imagine him having done anything to incite an altercation,” Green wrote on Facebook. “Sometimes bad things happen to really good and kind, innocent people who mind their own business and never bother others.”

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics ... ouths.html



Japan jazz pianist is beaten up on NY subway
https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/everyth ... -beat.html

[TennoChinko]

The Chinese govt media agency, GCTN, has the answer: it’s President Trump’s fault!



World 13:36, 11-Oct-2020
Chinese-Americans now the target after Trump's coronavirus diagnosis
CGTN
https://archive.is/PsWVO

[matsuki]

Few of my Chinese-merican friends are constantly posting all the reports of attacks on Asians....meanwhile the a few others have posted "I don't like Trump but he has my vote for taking on the CCP."

[Wage Slave]

Well it is not too difficult to believe his rhetoric and mob rousing contributes. Is it really so hard to believe that the more simple minded of his followers feel justified in attacking Chinese looking people after they have heard him angrily refer to the China virus and blaming China for everything from unemployment to COVID19?

[matsuki]

Well it is not too difficult to believe his rhetoric and mob rousing contributes. Is it really so hard to believe that the more simple minded of his followers feel justified in attacking Chinese looking people after they have heard him angrily refer to the China virus and blaming China for everything from unemployment to COVID19?

I mean...Trump's tweets were in support of Asian Americans...

"It is very important that we totally protect our Asian American community in the United States, and all around the world,"

"They are amazing people, and the spreading of the Virus (...) is NOT their fault in any way, shape, or form. They are working closely with us to get rid of it. WE WILL PREVAIL TOGETHER!"

Meanwhile Biden says Trump shouldn't call out China because people can't be bothered to know the difference between a country/government, an ethnicity and a nationality?

"Look what he's doing now. He's blaming everything on China. He's blaming everything on the Chinese... and people don't make a distinction, as you well know, from a South Korean and someone from Beijing," Biden continued. "They make no distinction, it's Asian. And he's using it as a wedge."

China's CCP gave the world Covid-19....I don't blame Trump for wanting to point that out when the CCP is endorsing a narrative that it was planted in Wuhan by the US military...while also endorsing a message that it is totally naturally occurring. Record employment before Covid, not hard to understand that correlation. That all being said, while I agree with Trump's stances here, the delivery is terrible....some of that is on Trump, some of that is on the MSM intentionally borking up anything Trump says.

[Wage Slave]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest. Are we really surprised that some of his less cognitively endowed supporters then attack Chinese looking people wherever they encounter them? Actions and words have consequences - especially the actions and words of someone that a lot of people believe is a great leader and fount of wisdom.

[matsuki]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest. Are we really surprised that some of his less cognitively endowed supporters then attack Chinese looking people wherever they encounter them? Actions and words have consequences - especially the actions and words of someone that a lot of people believe is a great leader and fount of wisdom.

If it were up to me, I'd call it the Wuhan virus and make it clear that I hold the CCP's mishandling responsible for the global outbreak....not Asian Americans, not Asians, not Chinese Americans, and not Chinese people. It's a Chinese government fuck up they are not accepting responsibility for.

[Wage Slave]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest. Are we really surprised that some of his less cognitively endowed supporters then attack Chinese looking people wherever they encounter them? Actions and words have consequences - especially the actions and words of someone that a lot of people believe is a great leader and fount of wisdom.

If it were up to me, I'd call it the Wuhan virus and make it clear that I hold the CCP's mishandling responsible for the global outbreak....not Asian Americans, not Asians, not Chinese Americans, and not Chinese people. It's a Chinese government fuck up they are not accepting responsibility for.

Yeah, that can be argued. However, it is also the case that handling this particular virus without the benefit on hindsight was and is very difficult. If it would have been so easy, why have the US and Europe not got it under firm control even after they knew how serious it was from the Wuhan experience?

[Buraku]

This whole Crona thing has made NYC a strange place, People are fleeing, business and trade is down with Covid, some need to take precautions and think carefully about New York.

The recession is back and your'e seeing a return to the violence of 70s/80s NY but with a different flavor

Maybe he can bounce back as a musician, maybe he can edit old work, maybe has an archive of songs collected but the attack also puts a question mark over whether he’ll be able go back to performing again, maybe no longer able to make his money to provide for his family.

Chat Forums and News were reporting he loses arm over urban youth attack...but it seem to be mostly bruises and breaks, maybe he's expected to not be 100% again ...which would mean he lost his playing ability?
https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums ... ck:2849748

Also a broken collarbone

The suspects have not been arrested.

https://japantoday.com/category/crime/j ... ng-chinese

The campaign, which has now ended, raised $89,611 in funds to help pay for Unno’s emergency medical bills, physical and mental therapy, and moving expenses to allow him and his family to move to a safer neighborhood.

Unno said he’s unable to leave the house due to the mental and physical trauma from the attack, but he has expressed his heartfelt thanks to everyone who donated, saying he feels overwhelmed by their love and support.

[matsuki]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest. Are we really surprised that some of his less cognitively endowed supporters then attack Chinese looking people wherever they encounter them? Actions and words have consequences - especially the actions and words of someone that a lot of people believe is a great leader and fount of wisdom.

If it were up to me, I'd call it the Wuhan virus and make it clear that I hold the CCP's mishandling responsible for the global outbreak....not Asian Americans, not Asians, not Chinese Americans, and not Chinese people. It's a Chinese government fuck up they are not accepting responsibility for.

Yeah, that can be argued. However, it is also the case that handling this particular virus without the benefit on hindsight was and is very difficult. If it would have been so easy, why have the US and Europe not got it under firm control even after they knew how serious it was from the Wuhan experience?

This was round two for China, all the efforts of the WHO to steer China to more transparency and cooperation since SARS totally failed.

1.) While the CCP covered up the virus, they bought up PPE from overseas in mass while taking over PPE factories within the country. (CDC came out against masking to avoid panic and secure PPE supply for medical personal....now that masks are widely available and the CDC is claiming people should mask up, the mixed message and lack of authoritarian enforcement led to shitty execution of masking)

2.) The CCP controlled WHO delayed the release of important information about the virus the CCP was already aware of. (and argues against it every step of the way)

3.) The CCP used it's authoritarian power to lock down Wuhan while allowing people to leave to other countries. (protect the rest of China, silently infect the world)

4.) Overweight and unhealthy populations in the US and Europe kept alive by better medical care meant more susceptible to the virus.

5.) Different strains, affecting different blood types and different ethnicities in different ways.

[Coligny]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest.

Well... a virus out of a city with a french built BSL4 lab working on bats, now taken under military leadership with increased funding to work on bio weapons...
You can be delusional all you want but occam’s razor will certainly call you back someday...

Also... one little thing still bothering me to no end... every outbreak of ebola trigger a massive hunt to find the origine and patient zero going up to swipe every monkeys ass in a 100km radius... But here... the amount of fuck not given is phenomenal almost reaching The amount of fuck i never gave to working on my final exams...(where I managed to get stuck in a cinema for a “Die Hard” trilogy screening on the date and times of the first exam... that I learned about only on the evening after because it was announced on the local news as every year)

[matsuki]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest.

Well... a virus out of a city with a french built BSL4 lab working on bats, now taken under military leadership with increased funding to work on bio weapons...
You can be delusional all you want but occam’s razor will certainly call you back someday...

Also... one little thing still bothering me to no end... every outbreak of ebola trigger a massive hunt to find the origine and patient zero going up to swipe every monkeys ass in a 100km radius... But here... the amount of fuck not given is phenomenal almost reaching The amount of fuck i never gave to working on my final exams...(where I managed to get stuck in a cinema for a “Die Hard” trilogy screening on the date and times of the first exam... that I learned about only on the evening after because it was announced on the local news as every year)

THIS...

It's one think to bungle the handling of the outbreak....it's another to knowingly cover it up and spread misinformation while you seed it to the world and buy up all the PPE to send back to the homeland. Now it's so politicized, just talking about the origins makes you a racist, a xenophobe, and any legit data you have cancelled along with you.

[Wage Slave]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest.

Well... a virus out of a city with a french built BSL4 lab working on bats, now taken under military leadership with increased funding to work on bio weapons...
You can be delusional all you want but occam’s razor will certainly call you back someday...

Also... one little thing still bothering me to no end... every outbreak of ebola trigger a massive hunt to find the origine and patient zero going up to swipe every monkeys ass in a 100km radius... But here... the amount of fuck not given is phenomenal almost reaching The amount of fuck i never gave to working on my final exams...(where I managed to get stuck in a cinema for a “Die Hard” trilogy screening on the date and times of the first exam... that I learned about only on the evening after because it was announced on the local news as every year)

Occam's razor points to something simpler - like a handling mistake. In addition the evidence, the last time I heard, pointed to a zoological rather than lab grown source. But yeah, there is also a theory that it was all deliberate and unleashed to damage the west.

[Wage Slave]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest.

Well... a virus out of a city with a french built BSL4 lab working on bats, now taken under military leadership with increased funding to work on bio weapons...
You can be delusional all you want but occam’s razor will certainly call you back someday...

Also... one little thing still bothering me to no end... every outbreak of ebola trigger a massive hunt to find the origine and patient zero going up to swipe every monkeys ass in a 100km radius... But here... the amount of fuck not given is phenomenal almost reaching The amount of fuck i never gave to working on my final exams...(where I managed to get stuck in a cinema for a “Die Hard” trilogy screening on the date and times of the first exam... that I learned about only on the evening after because it was announced on the local news as every year)

THIS...

It's one think to bungle the handling of the outbreak....it's another to knowingly cover it up and spread misinformation while you seed it to the world and buy up all the PPE to send back to the homeland. Now it's so politicized, just talking about the origins makes you a racist, a xenophobe, and any legit data you have cancelled along with you.

Where is the evidence for:

"spread misinformation while you seed it to the world and buy up all the PPE to send back to the homeland" I haven't seen it.

[matsuki]

Where is the evidence for:

"spread misinformation while you seed it to the world and buy up all the PPE to send back to the homeland" I haven't seen it.

Get to watching...

https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinaUncensored/videos

[Wage Slave]

Isn't that Falun Gong? If so I'm afraid I don't count religious cults as a reliable source. Sorry, but there we are.

[matsuki]

Isn't that Falun Gong? If so I'm afraid I don't count religious cults as a reliable source. Sorry, but there we are.

I'm not big on cults/religions/whatever it is either but the reporting is legit. They pull from all kinds of sources and cite them so I wouldn't dismiss them by affiliation.

[Mike Oxlong]

WS only reads The Grauniad and watches the Beebs. Any other news source is an abomination to him ( I doubt he uses that pronoun, but there it is ). In his mind Biden is 99% likely to be elected, and has not had his son shag children for dollars in a Chinese honeypot operation.

[Coligny]

Where is the evidence for:

"spread misinformation while you seed it to the world and buy up all the PPE to send back to the homeland" I haven't seen it.

Get to watching...

https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinaUncensored/videos

For the PPE stuff, your source for the chinese hoarding is basically the whole internet... Sure some of the juicier stories might come from less reliable sources. But that's it as far as negatingthe facts can go...

[Wage Slave]

WS only reads The Grauniad and watches the Beebs. Any other news source is an abomination to him ( I doubt he uses that pronoun, but there it is ). In his mind Biden is 99% likely to be elected, and has not had his son shag children for dollars in a Chinese honeypot operation.

You are a charming character. It is always a pleasure to read your latest. It is though true that I don't just believe any old thing someone says on the internet and calls news. So, in that sense guilty as charged.

[Coligny]

He tweeted that statement in March. And then went on to say again and again to emotional crowds that it was the China Virus, the China Plague, the Kung Flu and that China should have stopped the virus in its tracks but refused to do so and all the rest.

Well... a virus out of a city with a french built BSL4 lab working on bats, now taken under military leadership with increased funding to work on bio weapons...
You can be delusional all you want but occam’s razor will certainly call you back someday...

Also... one little thing still bothering me to no end... every outbreak of ebola trigger a massive hunt to find the origine and patient zero going up to swipe every monkeys ass in a 100km radius... But here... the amount of fuck not given is phenomenal almost reaching The amount of fuck i never gave to working on my final exams...(where I managed to get stuck in a cinema for a “Die Hard” trilogy screening on the date and times of the first exam... that I learned about only on the evening after because it was announced on the local news as every year)

Occam's razor points to something simpler - like a handling mistake. In addition the evidence, the last time I heard, pointed to a zoological rather than lab grown source. But yeah, there is also a theory that it was all deliberate and unleashed to damage the west.

Didn't say the release was on purpose, O.R. Just contradict theories hinting at local hobos buttfucking pangolins before making a soup. You want twisted stuff. The opening of the lab had guests including a frenchman who worked on the project. This guy is married to the former french health minister (a Buzyn) who in early january 2020 had the chloroquine classified as poisonous substance (despite being known and used for more than 50 y (some say 70) as over the counter anti malaria drug (anti rheumatism too in Japan). Chocker:chloroquin and azythromicine taken early or even preventively just stop dead the disease in 5 days (protocol from Dr Didier Raoult IHU of Marseille). It's when it get a chance to attack the lungs that it can get more serious. That woman is now one of the 5 french officials (with frmr prime minister, current health minister, current head of medical institute, fatcow spokewoman) under criminal investigation for wrongdoing is the handling of the crisis.


A purposefull release might not have started locally... or with a payload so useless (less lethal than the flue or the Ford Pinto)
Also, you immediately ran to the standard rethoric of drowning the fish so liked by the media these days.
Side A: "china plague (anything)..."
Side B: "you can't claim it's released on purpose, conspiracy shmuckpiracy"
Real problem: what the frack were those clowns doing with this virus.

And lastely, the french guy who mapped the aid virus found strands of it in the early samples of the china flue. That news was burried faster than my sister's virginity. With him and Raoult we are not talking about nutcase living in the woods wearing aluminum foil hats but scientist who have nothing left to prove to anyone in their field of research.

And now you can also laugh a good time because the country on this planet with the worst mortality rate...

Is the French Republic...

[Wage Slave]

Where is the evidence for:

"spread misinformation while you seed it to the world and buy up all the PPE to send back to the homeland" I haven't seen it.

Get to watching...

https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinaUncensored/videos

For the PPE stuff, your source for the chinese hoarding is basically the whole internet... Sure some of the juicier stories might come from less reliable sources. But that's it as far as negatingthe facts can go...

OK, but it seems to me the truth is rather more nuanced that the sort of simplistic statements being made about China and PPE:

1. The US and NATO do not rely on the UN or the Chinese Government for information. There is good evidence first the US and then NATO/Israel were informed by US intelligence sources in November 2019 of the outbreak in Wuhan and the nature of the virus. They probably reasonably believed it would be like SARS 2 and kept under control by China.

2. In the early stages China was in the front line and fighting the outbreak. At that stage China needed PPE more than anyone else and it was in everyone's interests that Chinese medical staff had ample PPE if the outbreak was going to be contained. It is not surprising they were scrambling for PPE because they were using vast amounts. At that stage other countries' need was not nearly as great. Is there any evidence that China was buying PPE just to hoard it and so damage other countries? I have seen plenty of people allege and imply that but no evidence.

3. How the virus arrived in Europe and America is not known. It could well have been carried by Europeans and Americans returning from China or more likely from Wuhan as China appears to have restricted, via authoritarian control, the virus to that city. They couldn't stop foreigners from leaving Wuhan though - and we didn't insist on isolation until it was far too late.

[matsuki]

OK, but it seems to me the truth is rather more nuanced that the sort of simplistic statements being made about China and PPE:

1. The US and NATO do not rely on the UN or the Chinese Government for information. There is good evidence first the US and then NATO/Israel were informed by US intelligence sources in November 2019 of the outbreak in Wuhan and the nature of the virus. They probably reasonably believed it would be like SARS 2 and kept under control by China.

(in best Trump voice) WRONG!

Seriously though, the world was relying on the WTO and CCP for information. Just like SARS 1.0, what they got was cover up and disinformation (downplaying)

2. In the early stages China was in the front line and fighting the outbreak. At that stage China needed PPE more than anyone else and it was in everyone's interests that Chinese medical staff had ample PPE if the outbreak was going to be contained. It is not surprising they were scrambling for PPE because they were using vast amounts. At that stage other countries' need was not nearly as great. Is there any evidence that China was buying PPE just to hoard it and so damage other countries? I have seen plenty of people allege and imply that but no evidence.

I think the first motive was to hoard it for their party members, then there were many private Chinese citizens abroad who took cues from Chinese social media to buy out everywhere around them and profit on it. I think the case is much more difficult to make as far as malicious intent to damage other countries but it's possible and was the outcome of the hoarding and export bans.

3. How the virus arrived in Europe and America is not known. It could well have been carried by Europeans and Americans returning from China or more likely from Wuhan as China appears to have restricted, via authoritarian control, the virus to that city. They couldn't stop foreigners from leaving Wuhan though - and we didn't insist on isolation until it was far too late.

I've pointed it out here before but the really hard hit area of Italy is the one who had hoards of Chinese workers flying in directly from Wuhan on the reg to work in sweatshops in Italy so they can still stamp "made in Italy" on designer products. The CCP could have sounded the alarm and attempted to quarantine foreigners but they were in cover up mode so allowed everyone to fly out internationally but locked out people from leaving the city to other parts of China. Was the intent to seed the world or just a shitty attempt to downplay and cover up? I lean to seed the world as the CCP was already silencing doctors and artificially lowering the data at this point. No problem here haha, nice day out iddnit?

[Wage Slave]

(in best Trump voice) WRONG!

Seriously though, the world was relying on the WTO and CCP for information. Just like SARS 1.0, what they got was cover up and disinformation (downplaying

Do you really believe that? That the US Government and military with all its intelligence recourse relies on the Chinese government and the (I assume you mean) WHO for information about a threat like this? Anyway, there is evidence from reliable sources. It is not something I am just making up.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

Remember that D Trump himself happily admits he played down the danger of the virus for months while it gained traction. He said he didn't want to cause panic and it is fairly clear he didn't really belive it was going to be a serious problem. He might have banned people from China and Europe but did he ban Americans from returning? No. Did he insist they were quarantined? No. He didn't want to panic people.

I think the first motive was to hoard it for their party members, then there were many private Chinese citizens abroad who took cues from Chinese social media to buy out everywhere around them and profit on it. I think the case is much more difficult to make as far as malicious intent to damage other countries but it's possible and was the outcome of the hoarding and export bans.

The first bit looks like just stuff you are producing off the top of your head. Do you have any basis for saying any of this? And even if it is true, what reason do you have to think the number of these elite people could have a significant effect on a global scale? We know that hospitals all over the world needed huge amounts of PPE to deal with this virus. I don't see why the hospitals in the front line at the time would have been any exception to that. And it may be there were some Chinese people abroad who were alert to the speculative business opportunity. I don't see how anyone who believes in free markets can criticise them for that. Just the markets working as they should and sending the correct signals. Winner takes it all and losers come last as is the approved way.

I've pointed it out here before but the really hard hit area of Italy is the one who had hoards of Chinese workers flying in directly from Wuhan on the reg to work in sweatshops in Italy so they can still stamp "made in Italy" on designer products. The CCP could have sounded the alarm and attempted to quarantine foreigners but they were in cover up mode so allowed everyone to fly out internationally but locked out people from leaving the city to other parts of China. Was the intent to seed the world or just a shitty attempt to downplay and cover up? I lean to seed the world as the CCP was already silencing doctors and artificially lowering the data at this point. No problem here haha, nice day out iddnit?

You have said this but you haven't shown it to be the case. I don't remember seeing any link, but perhaps I am mistaken. You are pretty unique in believing this was the way the virus infected Europe as far as I can see. If the Chinese had prevented foreigners (including Italians) from travelling home there would have been hell to pay and that is obvious as is the fact Europe failed to quarantine returnees from the Wuhan area.

[matsuki]

(in best Trump voice) WRONG!

Seriously though, the world was relying on the WTO and CCP for information. Just like SARS 1.0, what they got was cover up and disinformation (downplaying

Do you really believe that? That the US Government and military with all its intelligence recourse relies on the Chinese government and the (I assume you mean) WHO for information about a threat like this? Anyway, there is evidence from reliable sources. It is not something I am just making up.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

Remember that D Trump himself happily admits he played down the danger of the virus for months while it gained traction. He said he didn't want to cause panic and it is fairly clear he didn't really belive it was going to be a serious problem. He might have banned people from China and Europe but did he ban Americans from returning? No. Did he insist they were quarantined? No. He didn't want to panic people.

When the outbreak is coming out of China and they are arresting their medical personal and downplaying the situation to the WHO, yes. It seems like every month the timeline of the first cases gets pushed back earlier and earlier in 2019. (before Nov)

I think the first motive was to hoard it for their party members, then there were many private Chinese citizens abroad who took cues from Chinese social media to buy out everywhere around them and profit on it. I think the case is much more difficult to make as far as malicious intent to damage other countries but it's possible and was the outcome of the hoarding and export bans.

The first bit looks like just stuff you are producing off the top of your head. Do you have any basis for saying any of this? And even if it is true, what reason do you have to think the number of these elite people could have a significant effect on a global scale? We know that hospitals all over the world needed huge amounts of PPE to deal with this virus. I don't see why the hospitals in the front line at the time would have been any exception to that. And it may be there were some Chinese people abroad who were alert to the speculative business opportunity. I don't see how anyone who believes in free markets can criticise them for that. Just the markets working as they should and sending the correct signals. Winner takes it all and losers come last as is the approved way.

Not the only one but illustrates my point...

Free market opportunity this is not...you do know that almost all the PPE is manufactured in China? Export bans and taking over foreign owned PPE factories in China choked the supply to the rest of the world before the world knew they needed it. The virus originated in China and hence their citizens were already talking, preparing, and doing shit like the above video while the CCP was covering up and downplaying it as false information. It's the equivalent of insider trading.

I've pointed it out here before but the really hard hit area of Italy is the one who had hoards of Chinese workers flying in directly from Wuhan on the reg to work in sweatshops in Italy so they can still stamp "made in Italy" on designer products. The CCP could have sounded the alarm and attempted to quarantine foreigners but they were in cover up mode so allowed everyone to fly out internationally but locked out people from leaving the city to other parts of China. Was the intent to seed the world or just a shitty attempt to downplay and cover up? I lean to seed the world as the CCP was already silencing doctors and artificially lowering the data at this point. No problem here haha, nice day out iddnit?

You have said this but you haven't shown it to be the case. I don't remember seeing any link, but perhaps I am mistaken. You are pretty unique in believing this was the way the virus infected Europe as far as I can see. If the Chinese had prevented foreigners (including Italians) from travelling home there would have been hell to pay and that is obvious as is the fact Europe failed to quarantine returnees from the Wuhan area.

This is only one obvious situation with over 100,000 Chinese workers direct from Wuhan to Italy. If you think me bringing it up is unique, do some googling and you'll see plenty of outlets covering it. Less people, regardless of citizenship, flew out of Wuhan to Europe and it's pretty obvious that seeded the virus where they went. You think the blame for failing to quarantine returnees from Wuhan is not in the CCP, who was busy covering up and downplaying the situation? Trump was called racist and xenophobic for attempting to stop this initial seeding with his entry ban.

[Wage Slave]

I'm sorry, but that video (which has been very widely shown) is not a reliable report. Who is it? Who made the video? and why? Probably someone with a very large axe to grind because it is deliberately very provocative.

Also, why is the only report of this? If it were real surely there should be lots of reports.

This is the problem. If you believe any old report on the internet that confirms your bias, then you end up in a very misled place. And you are subject to manipulation by any number of forces.

[Mike Oxlong]

Sorry WS (not really), your BS assessment of reliability is such a steaming pile of shite. The only one with heavy confirmation bias is yourself. Illogical "logic" passing for deft analysis of anything. Steaming pile of shite. Your leftist specialty. The most ideological poster here. Completely blinded to any sense making mechanism on the planet. Had it have been possible, you'd have shagged Greta and posted the intimate details. Go on, tell us what a godly man you are...

[matsuki]

I'm sorry, but that video (which has been very widely shown) is not a reliable report. Who is it? Who made the video? and why? Probably someone with a very large axe to grind because it is deliberately very provocative.

Her name is Hexin Jiang and she made/posted those videos herself on her Chinese social media. A Hong Konger found it, added English subtitles so the world could see what was going on. She was doxed, authorities got involved, her husband ('merican) came out in her defense but was nothing more than to downplay her intents. She was being an obnoxious and evil bitch and so proud of it she boasted about it.

Also, why is the only report of this? If it were real surely there should be lots of reports.

It's not....that's a rabbit hole you need to go down yourself but there are indeed "lots of reports." Google "daigou" and see where that leads you...

This is the problem. If you believe any old report on the internet that confirms your bias, then you end up in a very misled place. And you are subject to manipulation by any number of forces.

You're making a lot of assumptions here without really understanding where I'm coming from or doing research. Who is being misled/manipulated by confirmation bias? While I understand your concern for the historical veracity with some of the sources I'm using, I've yet to see any of them be shown to be proven false or acting in bad faith. Instead, we have videos and other evidence backing up the claims. No doubt there is an anti CCP bias in some of the reporting but that doesn't make the reporting less relevant. The video I posted above is just one of hundred that covered that specific case. It was literally just the first one that popped up. Again, that's a rabbit hole you need to go down yourself. The real issue is your go to sources are not covering these issues....whether that is because of the language barrier, lack of reporting ability (remember, CCP kicks out foreign journalist critical of them) or simply lack of interest, it's a problem....that is further complicated by massive amounts of "advertising" the CCP buys from these sources. Advertising money that gets pulled when anything that goes against the CCP narrative gets reported. Just like Hollywood movies, Pro sports, Airlines, Brands, etc., the CCP has effectively censored the media. Mafia level tactics on a global scale. The whole Black Lives Matter movement in the US that has soo much passion and attention behind it seems trivial when compared to the concentrations camps the CCP has going on in Northern China. Yet the NBA is on board with BLM but is willing to self censor itself when it comes to China's actions in HK and Northern China. So what are we left with when an issue isn't so nice looking for China? Small, independent, reporting with verifiable claims.

So now I'll make an assumption about you here Wage Slave, you're not too interested in how China/CCP is abusing the rest of the world for it's own gain. Many people aren't, you're far from alone as it feels like it's in a different universe and the language barrier is too thick for most to bother. I only became concerned when, after having my IP being stolen and used by Chinese companies to compete against me...I saw the same in other industries as well as the constant belligerence of the CCP when it comes to the oceans and taking over other countries. Most Americans still aren't paying attention but like with the current Covid situation, happenings in China and with the CCP can have global consequences.

[Wage Slave]

You can point to lots of videos about that clearly mad woman but you can only point to that one mad woman in a video who said she was buying up masks just to be evil. I don't recognize that as good evidence of a state sponsored plot.

You are making too many assumptions about me, what I think and my sources of information. Doing research does not consist of following a trail of dubious videos and blogs on the internet. These people are completely unaccountable, rarely present any real evidence for their confident assertions and are often downright fanciful. Take a look at QAnon if you need any confirmation of that.

I do recognise that China is run as a dictatorship and poses a threat to the world. I have no problem at all with concerted actions/sanctions to address that, rather like we had to do to South Africa. However, I see no sign that the US, under the current management, is interested in doing that. Rather the current administration seeks to grab headlines and deflect blame for political profit. By all means criticize China about their handling of the virus and a host of other issues. However, making highly emotive and ill founded accusations that attempt to blame China for everything that went wrong in America over handling the virus is not only dishonest and offensive but also deeply counterproductive. Politicians doing this are using the oldest trick in the book. In addition, it is noticeable that DT is not worried about many aspects of China's behavior - only a select few. Lack of democracy and human rights is not important - actually he seems to admire and envy it.

We should remember that this thread started because a Japanese pianist was beaten so badly he may well never play again. He didn't know his attackers and had no argument with them. They were heard to shout "Chinese!" as they attacked him. All I am saying is that the careless and emotional way the incumbent president and his supporters have talked and talk about China (He and they never say the Chinese Govt or CPC) helped to create that attack.

Why that has provoked all the vitriol (not from you), I don't know. Trumpets are on edge at the moment I suppose.

[matsuki]

You can point to lots of videos about that clearly mad woman but you can only point to that one mad woman in a video who said she was buying up masks just to be evil. I don't recognize that as good evidence of a state sponsored plot.

You are making too many assumptions about me, what I think and my sources of information. Doing research does not consist of following a trail of dubious videos and blogs on the internet. These people are completely unaccountable, rarely present any real evidence for their confident assertions and are often downright fanciful. Take a look at QAnon if you need any confirmation of that.

So you don't believe there was a CCP state directive to gather PPE to send to China? What about the export ban the CCP put in place while it hoarded PPE from overseas? When you consider China has a near monopoly on PPE, what is your take on their actions while they covered up vital information about the virus such as human to human transmission?

I do recognise that China is run as a dictatorship and poses a threat to the world. I have no problem at all with concerted actions/sanctions to address that, rather like we had to do to South Africa. However, I see no sign that the US, under the current management, is interested in doing that. Rather the current administration seeks to grab headlines and deflect blame for political profit. By all means criticize China about their handling of the virus and a host of other issues. However, making highly emotive and ill founded accusations that attempt to blame China for everything that went wrong in America over handling the virus is not only dishonest and offensive but also deeply counterproductive. Politicians doing this are using the oldest trick in the book. In addition, it is noticeable that DT is not worried about many aspects of China's behavior - only a select few. Lack of democracy and human rights is not important - actually he seems to admire and envy it.

China shares the blame in regards to the message of PPE that the CDC put out. That wasn't partisan, it's CDC guidance. Trump did not, and maybe it wasn't his fault initially....but has still has not set a good example about masking up. He should be leading by example to quash the anti-mask movements and idiots. No doubt about that. As to the other aspects, you're going to need to point out where you think Trump went wrong as each state was supporting in their efforts and I don't see what was mishandled by Trump other then the mixed messages about masking and taking the pandemic seriously which were not on point.

As to China's other issues, you are aware those are being called out as well? Trump has been harder on China than any other president.

Xin Jiang
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53355697

Hong Kong
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53259656

Taiwan
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/21/92552893 ... na-s-wrath

We should remember that this thread started because a Japanese pianist was beaten so badly he may well never play again. He didn't know his attackers and had no argument with them. They were heard to shout "Chinese!" as they attacked him. All I am saying is that the careless and emotional way the incumbent president and his supporters have talked and talk about China (He and they never say the Chinese Govt or CPC) helped to create that attack

It's a tragedy...but blame Trump why? I already posted his tweet where he was clear he blames the CCP and condemns attacks on Asians. Do you think things will be better if the police departments are defunded?