did not pay prefecture tax-burnt big bridge

[omae mona]

I'm glad you noticed. I was going to write something early but then I figured there was no point in responding to someone with such spurious logic.

I was kind of hoping you would show up and rescue me by saying "Faggot" again (just kidding, Ketou, I love you, in a non-faggoty way, even if we disagree about taxes)

[omae mona]

listen little miss goody two shoes, I came on here asking a question, not to be abused by a pack of school girls. there is actually a reason why I didnt pay taxes for a few years in which I will not go into. The reason is legitimate, but I do not have to explain myself to you.

Whahhhhh! Didn't get the response we were looking for? Poor thing. Like I said, sounds like the Internet is not the place for you.

are you really clean? are you?? never played around on our girlfriend? (or bf).

I play around on my girlfriend regularly. She's not happy that I am still hanging out with my wife.

Sorry, what's your point? Who is it that I stole money from again? I lost track here.

you must have been living in Japan too long, casting the first stone and all. You act very Japanese pretending to be clean when you have an under layer of FILTH.

I'm not quite making the connection here. What does disliking tax dodgers have to do with Japan? I seem to recall already thinking thieves were jerks back a few years ago when all I knew about Japan was that the people eat a lot of Chicken Teriyaki, have buck teeth, and wear thick eyeglasses.

[nottu]

[GRACIE]

Have no fear. I am perfectly capable of being angry at multiple people at one time, believe me. You are creating a very silly straw man argument by trying to imply that since I think the OP is a crook, then I must support other tax evaders or corrupt politicians.

And you're making another silly argument by implying that you can't be angry about crime because you disagree with an unrelated government policy. Like the policy or not, it's implemented by a democratically elected government. I know you don't like it, but the majority of people, at least indirectly, voted for it. 0 people voted to give our friend a tax break. One of the compromises of living in society is, unfortunately, that you can't just do whatever you want, even if you disagree with the law. In exchange, society prevents people from killing you and raping your women (most of the time).

Anyway if we're going to turn this into a argument about "is government good?" that's way outside of my area of expertise (which is "nothing") and I'll ask somebody else to step in But the OP did not even evade taxes because of a philosophical difference with the government. Maybe you did. It sounds like the OP just decided to leech and use public money he wasn't entitled to, for his personal living expenses (or whatever).

what is the true definition of a democracy mr einstein? how is it a true democracy when it is without debate controlled by big business??!! the West is so damn corrupt the spin is out of control. The people have what choices? everything is manipulated. Dont you dare stand there and tell me im a "crook" whilst we live in a society built on lies.
my tax would have most probably ended up down at some freakin hostess bar where the local gov drink.
can you really tell me you are clean? never done anything wrong? you`re a pathetic little man and in fact no better than a priest pedophile.
my discussion on this thread is finished.

Ketou, good to see someone has a brain here and is open minded. Thank you for not judging me. : )

[Midwinter]

what is the true definition of a democracy mr einstein? how is it a true democracy when it is without debate controlled by big business??!! the West is so damn corrupt the spin is out of control. The people have what choices? everything is manipulated. Dont you dare stand there and tell me im a "crook" whilst we live in a society built on lies.

*tosses GRACIE a tin foil hat*

Crazy and a cheat, well done sir! Care to go for a trifecta by saying something racially disparaging?

[Greji]

my tax would have most probably ended up down at some freakin hostess bar where the local gov drink.)

Well now I take it you are talkiing about me now. You are absolutely correct. If I would have laid my dick skinners on your rubles, you can best believe I would have definately spend that on grog and a hooker!

you`re a pathetic little man and in fact no better than a priest pedophile.

Well that changes things. I wasn't aware you were personally acquainted with Omae mona.....

[omae mona]

Well that changes things. I wasn't aware you were personally acquainted with Omae mona.....

Granted, we did decide to use a purikura booth for me to take that girl's "confession", but in my defense, she said she was 20!

[james]

then that would be the japanese persons problem and your problem. wouldnt it?

i'm guessing you may have dropped a "not" in your feeble argument, the irony being that doing so actually made your statement more correct.

well if it's a problem for a group of people i have to interact with on a daily basis, then it ends up being a problem for me. wouldn't you say?

[Greji]

Granted, we did decide to use a purikura booth for me to take that girl's "confession", but in my defense, she said she was 20!

She confessed. Damn! This is getting hotter. What sort of interrogation techniques did you use? Did you water board her? Any ropes and chains? Did she have any goats?
Ahh, sorry, I got a little bit of off thread, but I do get rather excited quite easily....

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Well now I take it you are talkiing about me now. You are absolutely correct. If I would have laid my dick skinners on your rubles, you can best believe I would have definately spend that on grog and a hooker!



Well that changes things. I wasn't aware you were personally acquainted with Omae mona.....

don't you lay your dick anywhere NEAR my rubles, mister!

[Cyka UchuuJin]

:roll: Whahhhhh! Didn't get the response we were looking for? Poor thing. Like I said, sounds like the Internet is not the place for you.


I play around on my girlfriend regularly. She's not happy that I am still hanging out with my wife.

Sorry, what's your point? Who is it that I stole money from again? I lost track here.



I'm not quite making the connection here. What does disliking tax dodgers have to do with Japan? I seem to recall already thinking thieves were jerks back a few years ago when all I knew about Japan was that the people eat a lot of Chicken Teriyaki, have buck teeth, and wear thick eyeglasses.

OM for the win!

and gracie, i'm quite sure that every single person here would be more than happy to call you out in person. i'm one of them.

come back to japan, please! and do it through kansai airport. i've got good friends there who will welcome you with open arms.

[nottu]

[Greji]

don't you lay your dick anywhere NEAR my rubles, mister!

As I said, I'm no push over, but if you play your cards right, I can be made.....

[omae mona]

[waruta]

[rooboy]

What the fuck is a bloke doing with a name like Gracie?:rolleyes:

Apart from that this thread is interesting. I've always paid my tax, even my ward tax tho sometimes that's been a number of months late. Never had anybody in my local city hall getting shitty.

Can the cool people here answer a question from a mate back in Oz? I can't help him cause Ive always paid my fucking taxes, yeah we all hate em and in the US I know the people's taxes are actually funding a ponzi scheme because the money aint going into social security. The taxes are going to pay the debt to the Fed.

American society is fucked, glad I'm not paying into a ponzi scheme there and especially as the IRS is fucking based in Puerto Rico and has never been legally constituted as the American tax collection agency in the real legal sense.

Anyway, my mate in Sydney left Japan in 2006, with health insurance payments of about 10 months owing and city hall tax owing. It was about 2 payments worth under the old scheme where you didn't pay so much. He didn't hand in his arc when he went in May 2006 cause he thought he'd come back (had a visa til 2008 ). But he didn't go back and wants to come back now.

Is he going to be hit for the NHI and city tax for those years he wasn't in Japan? He lived in Kyushu and wants this time around to go to Tokyo. As I said I honestly don't fucking know becuase I always pay my taxes.

[rooboy]

And how do I find out who redrepped me? Iv'e never given any fucking red rep in my time here - I will make sure I find out how to when I know who gave it to me.

[Ketou]

As Japan has yet to reach Industrialized Nation status when it comes to governance and law....I would be very surprised if any other prefecture apart from the one he lived in would be aware of his outstanding taxes.

[FG Lurker]

And how do I find out who redrepped me? Iv'e never given any fucking red rep in my time here - I will make sure I find out how to when I know who gave it to me.

You can see the comments that came along with the red snot if you look on your User CP page. Some people sign their snot, others don't. As you have all of 94 posts though any red snot you give to someone will have very little effect on their rep.

[Coligny]

people like you piss me off. i am/was not obligated to pay local taxes, yet i always paid the bike permit fees for my area, paid for the extra insurance on behalf of the owner of my flat, called the large removal service and actually paid for the disposal of large appliances rather than dumping them on the street like some people do.

Sorry to be mega top late to zee game. But what is this bike permit ?
I was never told by the shop I had to pay some tax for the bicycle too, it's linked to the registration ?

I got me a new uber cool mamacharry and don't remember paying any taxes. (somebody was charitable enough to steal my mountain bike... 2000km, tires busted, gearbox busted, brakes... not so good, front suspension randomly collapsing... headlights with a mind of their own, even the rubber handle were turning to dust for the umptennth time...)

BTW is it important to declare it stolen ? because i'm not in the mood to waste time for a bike that was begging to be put to death...

[Iraira]

BTW is it important to declare it stolen ? because i'm not in the mood to waste time for a bike that was begging to be put to death...

Question is: do you trust that you old bike will not commit heinious acts of domestic terrorism and scatter your DNA at the crime scene to frame you?

If you are suspicious of your old bike's ulterior motives, report it stolen. Go to the koban, cry the best croc tears you can muster and ask a gazillion "Do you think it misses me?", "Do you think I'll ever see it again?" questions, just to watch bored koban dude teeth suck air.

[Coligny]

Question is: do you trust that you old bike will not commit heinious acts of domestic terrorism and scatter your DNA at the crime scene to frame you?

That would have been Grosse Berta, the Audi... Christine was a pussy by comparison... we had the garagist promise us not to allow it on any road again, or near any living thing.

If you are suspicious of your old bike's ulterior motives, report it stolen. Go to the koban, cry the best croc tears you can muster and ask a gazillion "Do you think it misses me?", "Do you think I'll ever see it again?" questions, just to watch bored koban dude teeth suck air.

Can you translate those phrases on japanese-romaji. pretty please ?

[Taro Toporific]

...I got me a new uber cool mamacharry and don't remember paying any taxes...

The bike license/permit can be considered a "tax" since it costs 300 yen. With a new bikes, the shop you bought it from does the permit for you and the cost is buried in the price of the bike or tacked on somewhere on your sales receipt.

[rooboy]

As Japan has yet to reach Industrialized Nation status when it comes to governance and law....I would be very surprised if any other prefecture apart from the one he lived in would be aware of his outstanding taxes.

But I've heard of English teachers getting their bank accounts emptied or reduced by their ward because they didn't pay the ward tax. This was when they went to other prefectures or cities in the same prefecture.

My info is 2nd hand cause the gaijin I know are like me - we pay up. I've been late some months but I've never got late penalties and I've always run into my ward office to let em know they're gonna get it. It makes life easier doing this, the Japanese will let you get away with a certain amountof shit as long as you make some effort.

I don't know what to tell my mate - yeah, come back! only to find he's bailed up for what he owed in 2005 (that's correct isn't it cause he left fairly early in 2006) and probably 2006/part of 2007. His visa ended in July 2007 but he never handed in the gaijin card when he left cause he thought he'd come back in 2006.

So Ketou - if he goes to enrol at another ward office far from his old prefecture then it seems shit will hit the fan. I don't know if the Japanese are so far behind linking up names and arc nos of gaijin. My mate also left most of 2005's and part of 2006's NHI unpaid. I think he'll be slugged when he gets back, do you have any other info? Thanx.

FG Lurker - thanx for the rep info. I usually read your posts and I hope business gets better for ya, mate. Thanx again.

Ah - I just saw the 'brave' posters who posted anonymous red rep and comments on my user page. Next time go crying to Mummy when you don't like what somebody writes - that would be more grown up than your sad little anonymous comments.

Especially the whinging fuckwit who didn't like the fact I pointed out Madoff's clients were like him -Jewish - and got burned by somebody they thought they could trust because of the same ethnic background/religion.

To that cowardly dropkick - if you're Jewish then that makes you even more moronic because Madoff's 'hedge fund' targeted wealthy Jewish people from Hollywood, Palm Beach etc because they were Jewish. Numerous articles written by Jewish people in American mags and newspapers emphasised that fact.
Take your persecution complex to psychiatrist, not my user page, loser.

[FG Lurker]

I really don't think your friend will get hit for any charges for the time he wasn't out of Japan -- ie he isn't going to owe an extra 4 years of NHI payments/city tax for the time he wasn't here. He may need to show his passport with the exit stamp date and explain the situation but that is about all I can see happening. (Of course I am no lawyer but even in Japan there is some logic to things like this...)

He still owes for the NHI and city tax he didn't pay while he was here of course. I have no idea what the chances are that he will be tracked down and asked to pay that. If they do ask for payment they won't demand the full amount immediately, they'll work out some sort of payment plan for him I would think. He isn't going to end up in jail over this unless he owes massive amounts of money (several 10s of million of yen for example).

[TennoChinko]

I was audited for not paying tax for some years. I was a very well established english teacher and owed 1,250,000YEN. I paid that. I then owed the prefecture around 800,000YEN, however I did not pay this and just left thinking I would never return with my wife and son.
I have a dependent spouse visa that runs out april of this year. I am thinking of returning to a different part of Japan next year. I would need to re apply for my visa. Would me not paying the pref tax screw me?
Has anyone any experience with this? If there is not a problem with my visa and I get around it, do each prefectures have some sort of connection?
I was told the different tax departments do not.

Any advice would be great.

ps all bills were paid apart from pref tax. I didnt see the point at the time and really could not afford it.

I am assuming that you still have an active alien registration card (and spousal visa as you indicated). If or when you show up to register in a new prefecture or ward, it will undoubtedly indicate your last legal residence and they'll probably call them up to get relevant records etc.

People - Japanese and foreigners alike - can generally run from outstanding local residence tax and NHS premiums, but they eventually have a way of catching up with you once you settle in. These days, it seems more local offices are more networked than before.

You might discover that in order to renew your spousal visa in April 2010, you need to submit proof of taxes paid. If you need to get it from the ward office in charge of your unpaid residential taxes of 2009, 2008, etc., then you might find yourself in a bit of a bind.

I was not 100% certain what kind of tax you were owing. Income taxes or consumption taxes owing to the National Tax Agency are enforced with the most action including seizing assets and property. Many local wards and cities will be willing to work out some staggered payment plan for residential back taxes (10% of taxable income since 2006). You'll find their approach is often very civil compared to many of the heavy-handed methods employed back home (in the US). They will first send out polite dunning letters in Japanese (which sometimes get ignored by gaijin who can't read Japanese or don't bother to get someone to translate). If no response, with the cooperation of local banks, they will figure which accounts belong to you, and as they've clearly warned in their Japanese-language dunning letters, they will seize whatever money is in the account(s). Or, if you are fully-employed, they might simply contact your employer and arrange for your wages to be garnished.

Haven't heard of the same being done for outstanding NHI premiums but would not be surprised if they start using the same sort of tactics.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I just saw the 'brave' posters who posted anonymous red rep and comments on my user page. Next time go crying to Mummy when you don't like what somebody writes - that would be more grown up than your sad little anonymous comments.

I just gave you a red dot for the hell of it. Enjoy.

[waruta]

I just gave you a red dot for the hell of it. Enjoy.

+1 from me too. Double the fun.

Anyways, back to the subject at hand, I surrendered my ARC way back when at Narita I found I forgot to renew it in time, it was still valid for a short while, but they would not let me on the plane since it would technically expire when I went abroad and could not get back in time to renew it. Dumb as I was at the time, I thought nothing of it, since I had already lived here 10 years and was technically a permanent resident.

So I gave it up, got on the plane and went on my trip. I came back, had to jump through all the hoops with immigration and get a new card, etc etc.... Then I got married and changed my status to "J-Spouse Visa" then the shit hit the fan. I had previously managed to use overseas/expat insurance. They wanted me to start paying into NHI, ok, I saw no problem with that, but then they charged me for all the years I was away, since I had a valid visa/arc at the time which added up to 3 years of NHI payments. I fought against this (idiotic) line of reasoning since I couldn't have used the system while I was away, but their logic was that any payments/bills (with receipts to prove it) I incurred would be reimbursed 70% of the total.

Fine, I had a major surgery during that time and when it came time to balance the surgery costs versus the 3+ years payment, they balked at the cost and all the other bills incurred during these 3 years overseas. I am still fighting them to pay off the bills, meanwhile, they are bothering me about these insurance payments that they want in a lump sum, cash. Meanwhile they raised insurance premiums to 17,000+ yen a month. Sheeit. For that much anytime I've had too much to drink, I might as well call an ambulance and drop me off at the clinic near my house.

J-Gov really needs to sort their shit out regarding NHI and Pension plans. Yah I know their taxes are low(ish) compared to Europe and whatnot, but here and there it all adds up.

Btw, regarding the records, the local ward office has a thin (or thick depending on your history) with a ARC number attached to your name. It will never change (the number that is), and it gets passed around to whatever ward/prefecture you decide to live in. You can run but you can't hide...These guys are pretty good about sharing the gaijin information especially the ARC/Visa/Violent Crimes that we commit....

[rooboy]

I just gave you a red dot for the hell of it. Enjoy.

Thanks a fucking lot!

FG Lurker, Waruto, Tenno Chinko - that was great info. I suppose I'm gonna have to tell my mate don't bother coming unless you visit as a tourist and just hang out with me then go home.

He's been laid off from his job, has shit in the way of savings because hes one of those live for the day people and wanted to come back to Japan because of the job situation at home. He screwed up royally in Japan, should have paid his dues.

I came here because I had shit job prospects a few years back but haven't had problems getting English teaching here even with the shitty market now. Paying taxes and nhi sucks but it's worse to not pay as my mate will learn the hard way.

Shit! Just learnt that I got some green rep from fgl, whoever that is! Thanks, I'll return the favour if I know who you are and where to find your latest post.

Just realised it's FG Lurker - will give some green rep asap.

[Greji]

He's been laid off from his job, has shit in the way of savings because hes one of those live for the day people and wanted to come back to Japan because of the job situation at home. He screwed up royally in Japan, should have paid his dues.

You hear some real wild stories on cases like this, but there are more people who get by without paying in these type of cases, then those who are levied.

If your mate is heading to a new area of residence this time, he can make his registration with his new visa and apply for health and nenkin registration as newly immigrated and they probably will not go back beyond that registry. Some places do that automatically as they consider returning after a break in residence as a new immigration.

Had that happen in a reverse way with a mate of mine, who was laid off his job and essentially unemployed for a year. He moved to a new city and went to the city office saying he had zilch earnings last go around and they registered him in NHI and Nenkin at a respectable low level and charged him for no city tax for last year, which effectively left him exonerated of previous charges (which they did not look into and which he owed big time at his previous residence)...Not all people are that lucky.