How long do you have to stay out of Japan for visa run?

[Mr Doricar]

Situation:

UK citizen.
Japan since April 2008.
90 day tourist visa extended another 90 days.
Passport stamped "Final Extension"
Extra 2 month extension given to allow time to marry girlfriend.
Marriage didn't happen.
Now wanting another 90 day tourist visa.

Visa run to Korea planned. How long does one have to stay out of Japan? Meetings booked with Japanese companies for mid December as excuse to come back. Current visa expires Dec.10th. Planning on leaving Japan on Dec 8th, and coming back on Dec. 13th. Is it gonna work?

This info is for "my friend". The same friend that has pre-mature ejaculation problems and likes leather.

Thank you

[Greji]

This info is for "my friend". The same friend that has pre-mature ejaculation problems and likes leather.

But, I don't need a visa....

[Mulboyne]

There is no single, correct answer to that question so don't believe anyone who tells you differently.

You might do a quick turnaround and have no-one ask any questions at immigration. However, immigration can refuse entry to anyone who looks like they are using serial short term visas as a cover for long term residence in Japan. You can be refused even if you haven't broken the terms of any visa issued to you previously.

You can help yourself by:

(1) Having a return ticket or some evidence that you have a flight booked to leave Japan.
(2) Carrying an invitation letter or itinerary showing why you are visiting Japan again. You can make it up but it ought to be verifiable so an entry like "Dinner with Emperor" is not a good idea.
(3) Having enough luggage with you to indicate that your belongings aren't really waiting for you in Japan somewhere.

After that, it's largely the luck of the draw.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Situation:

UK citizen.
Japan since April 2008.
90 day tourist visa extended another 90 days.
Passport stamped "Final Extension"
Extra 2 month extension given to allow time to marry girlfriend.
Marriage didn't happen.
Now wanting another 90 day tourist visa.

Visa run to Korea planned. How long does one have to stay out of Japan? Meetings booked with Japanese companies for mid December as excuse to come back. Current visa expires Dec.10th. Planning on leaving Japan on Dec 8th, and coming back on Dec. 13th. Is it gonna work?

This info is for "my friend". The same friend that has pre-mature ejaculation problems and likes leather.

Thank you

i can absolutely guarentee that he will have a host of problems, and very possibly will be denied entry, if he does a visa run to korea, especially if he's been here more than 180 days. and the marriage didn't happen.

6 days out of the country isn't enough. unless he has letters of meeting invitation and meeting dates with names confirmed, a verbal 'meetings with japanese companies' will not work.

i speak from very recent experience in this.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

There is no single, correct answer to that question so don't believe anyone who tells you differently.

You might do a quick turnaround and have no-one ask any questions at immigration. However, immigration can refuse entry to anyone who looks like they are using serial short term visas as a cover for long term residence in Japan. You can be refused even if you haven't broken the terms of any visa issued to you previously.

You can help yourself by:

(1) Having a return ticket or some evidence that you have a flight booked to leave Japan.
(2) Carrying an invitation letter or itinerary showing why you are visiting Japan again. You can make it up but it ought to be verifiable so an entry like "Dinner with Emperor" is not a good idea.
(3) Having enough luggage with you to indicate that your belongings aren't really waiting for you in Japan somewhere.

After that, it's largely the luck of the draw.

it is VERY largely luck of the draw. as we recently saw, even having all three of those (including a letter pretty damn close to 'dinner with emperor ' that WAS verifyably legitimate) did not help a recent case.

one thing for sure, do NOT try your luck through KIX.

[wuchan]

I have a friend who is trying the same thing. He is going back to the US around xmas and plans to return within a few weeks. Currently he is working illegally, owns a car and has a bank account here. His biggest problem is the fact that he is korean. I have a feeling that he will be sent back when he tries to return.

[omae mona]

it is VERY largely luck of the draw. as we recently saw, even having all three of those (including a letter pretty damn close to 'dinner with emperor ' that WAS verifyably legitimate) did not help a recent case.

Cyka, it may have been verifiable. But you have to admit 'hot bath with Prince Akishino' was bound to arouse suspicion.

[Greji]

[quote="omae mona"]Cyka, it may have been verifiable. But you have to admit 'hot bath with Prince Akishino' was bound to arouse suspicion. ]

Couldn't have been him. He's only interested in Thai's with Catfish, not Russians with Angel fish.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

[quote="omae mona"]Cyka, it may have been verifiable. But you have to admit 'hot bath with Prince Akishino' was bound to arouse suspicion. ]



true, that might have been a little OTT.

i really do think mr. doricar's 'friend' is going to have problems though... all the extensions, leaving 2 days before the final extension expires, marriage that didn't happen, 6 days in the nearest and cheapest country, etc...all going to be big red flags upon arrival here.

[Charles]

How long does one have to stay out of Japan?

Minimum 5 years, if you get caught.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Minimum 5 years, if you get caught.

incorrect chuckles.

it's 5 years if you are deported, which is different than being refused entry.

if you are denied entry, it is generally because 'you do not meet the conditions for landing as stated in your application'. which means that they don't believe you're here for meetings or sightseeing.

as a uk citizen, which is a visa waiver country, you may come to japan any time, however that does not guarantee they will grant you entry. if you are denied entry, you can appeal it, but generally you should not attempt re-entry for at least 90 days.

[pheyton]

If said friend is a UK citizen why not get a working holiday visa?

[kusai Jijii]

If said friend is a UK citizen why not get a working holiday visa?

Or Ozzie, Kiwi, or Canadian too.

[parasitius]

If I enter as a "tourist" from a country where I don't need a visa ahead of time, if they ask me why I have so much shit with me (I plan to come on a boat and reach my full 120kg limit)... would it be BAD to say "I'm looking for work." ??? I don't mean working on a tourist visa, but I mean is it illegal to do job interviews on a tourist visa?

I'm planning to say "well I'll be living here eventually when I get a job, so I'm just leaving this shit at my friend's house for storage right now" but then if they ask "oh so you are going to look for a job?" do I say "yes" or "no" ?? Or should I immediately begin explaining "I know I can't work on a tourist visa, if I found a job obviously I would wait until the paperwork is done."

[kusai Jijii]

if they ask me why I have so much shit with me...would it be BAD to say "I'm looking for work." ???

Congrats! You are now officially the dumbest cunt on these boards.

p.s.: Jack, you're gunna have to step it up if you want to reclaim the title.

[parasitius]

Congrats! You are now officially the dumbest cunt on these boards.

p.s.: Jack, you're gunna have to step it up if you want to reclaim the title.

You're a fucking dick, every country has different laws and there is nothing wrong with my question.

[kusai Jijii]

You're a fucking dick, every country has different laws and there is nothing wrong with my question.

Yes, I'm a fucking dick.
Yes, every country has different laws.
No, your question has to be about the most retarded question I have ever read, ANYWHERE.

[omae mona]

Parasitius, regardless of how civil the replies are or aren't, you're asking for trouble by relying on us dumb FG members for legal / immigration advice.

I think you have already answered the question for yourself, as you realize the situation is strange enough to merit an FG posting. Immigration decisions are made by the officer at your port of entry, and none of us know what that officer will say. However, if I were the officer looking at a guy with 120kg of luggage, I'd be awfully suspicious he was planning to stay in the country, even ignoring the discussion about employment. You sure as heck better have a paid return ticket to show.

[kusai Jijii]

regardless of how civil the replies are or aren't...

Sorry OM,
I dont do 'civil'. Never have, never will. Thats why I'm a Kusai Jijiii.

[parasitius]

Parasitius, regardless of how civil the replies are or aren't, you're asking for trouble by relying on us dumb FG members for legal / immigration advice.

I think you have already answered the question for yourself, as you realize the situation is strange enough to merit an FG posting. Immigration decisions are made by the officer at your port of entry, and none of us know what that officer will say. However, if I were the officer looking at a guy with 120kg of luggage, I'd be awfully suspicious he was planning to stay in the country, even ignoring the discussion about employment. You sure as heck better have a paid return ticket to show.

Okay thanks for the info to consider. I'm not sure what to do then... I don't think the boat company sells round-trip tickets. But even if they did, I'll come from China and once I leave China I don't have a visa to get back in China so it wouldn't make any sense. Even if I got a plane "ticket" to my motherland, as far as I know such tickets can only be acquired in the country of the flight's origin. (E.g. try to get a ticket from Bangcock to Seoul in Canada, they can't procure it unless Canada is on the itinerary somewhere.)

This is really gay because the main reason I want to make sure I reach 120kg is because I have no money to buy anything in Japan, especially not the mundane but insanely expensive stuff essential to surviving cheaply like rice cookers, pots and pans, inflatable air mattresses, etc. So if I have to get a "away ticket" just to prove I don't plan to settle down on a tourist visa, it is going to defeat the whole purpose of me taking over TWO HUNDRED AMERICAN DOLLARS worth of essential living supplies from the third world.

BTW anyone taken the boat before? It's 6 to a room, and I guess it would be okay if its going to be mostly Japanese, but if it is Chinese "travelers" (like the style of people you see on the trains here) spitting their sunflower seed shells all over my bed sheets and picking their boogers and clipping their fingernails everywhere, I'm really gonna freak out 48 hours on the boat.

[Yokohammer]

Parasite,

Just tell 'em you've come to fuck a Japanese "idol" and they'll shit themselves laughing so hard that you'll be able to walk right through with no resistance.

[parasitius]

[Luciddreamer]

I get the feeling this dude got busted , any news on his situation ? Never screw around with visa and immigration stuff man(eg.waste 200 bucks on too much crap that you can find in Japan anyway , lugging a monster case into the airport etc.) , but that's just common sense right ? If you can't afford to stay in Japan then its probably best that you go back home and work for a good while so that you can try again later with funds behind you.
*2 cents worth deposited*

[masher]

He got banned from fucked gaijin but I know the fellow, he just mentioned his posting alias to me yesterday.

Currently he's on campus at Saitama University everyday using the wifi pretending he is a "student". I'm from the same university in the US that the guy came from on an exchange program 5 years back, so that's how I ended up talking with him. (A bit of an odd fellow but friendly enough.) Some of the other students thought he was just a lost exchange student that still hadn't left or found a job after all these years. (Creeps some of the girls out for sure)

So from what he told me he has a few days left on his visa and he is planning to head back to the states since he is totally out of money. I guess really did get all that shit in the country cause he asked me if I would pull some bags to Narita with him cause he doesn't know how to get his shit there. The buses usually only allow 2 bags and he's got like 6 full size suitcases (or so he claims) and I guess a lot of weird junk he bought in China (if you saw the guy's 'jewelry', for lack of a better term, you'd see what I mean that he has something going on about Chinese farmers, etc ) ..

[omae mona]

He got banned from fucked gaijin but I know the fellow, he just mentioned his posting alias to me yesterday.

Currently he's on campus at Saitama University everyday using the wifi pretending he is a "student". I'm from the same university in the US that the guy came from on an exchange program 5 years back, so that's how I ended up talking with him. (A bit of an odd fellow but friendly enough.) Some of the other students thought he was just a lost exchange student that still hadn't left or found a job after all these years. (Creeps some of the girls out for sure)

So from what he told me he has a few days left on his visa and he is planning to head back to the states since he is totally out of money. I guess really did get all that shit in the country cause he asked me if I would pull some bags to Narita with him cause he doesn't know how to get his shit there. The buses usually only allow 2 bags and he's got like 6 full size suitcases (or so he claims) and I guess a lot of weird junk he bought in China (if you saw the guy's 'jewelry', for lack of a better term, you'd see what I mean that he has something going on about Chinese farmers, etc ) ..

"He" worked pretty hard to get banned from this forum last time. It was quite a feat to find a way to violate so many written forum rules all at once. I wonder if we should just skip all the hard work this time. "He" started breaking rules again by opening multiple accounts right after getting banned, which the moderators have carefully watched.

[cujojpn]

I get the feeling this dude got busted , any news on his situation ? Never screw around with visa and immigration stuff man(eg.waste 200 bucks on too much crap that you can find in Japan anyway , lugging a monster case into the airport etc.) , but that's just common sense right ? If you can't afford to stay in Japan then its probably best that you go back home and work for a good while so that you can try again later with funds behind you.
*2 cents worth deposited*

I got in with a shitton worth of stuff. Customs asked me if it was all mine, I said yeah and he let me in. Granted majority was my camera equipment for a photography gig I had. But the guy still let me in.

[wangta]

This thread seems to be about folks who want to keep living in Japan on a tourist visa even though they pretend to J Immi that they're just having a holiday.

What about the ol visa runs that used to happen all the time for jobs, like when somebody went to Japan, was offered a job while they were holidaying and then had to leave the country and get a work visa from a J embassy in a close-by country? Does that still happen or did J Immi changes over the last few years make that impossible now?

[yanpa]

"J Immi" changed the system - before even this thread was started - so that it's possible to convert from short-stay landing permission to another status such as person with permission to perform certain jobs, become the dependent of a "J Citizen" &cetera, no Korea trip required.