did not pay prefecture tax-burnt big bridge

[GRACIE]

I was audited for not paying tax for some years. I was a very well established english teacher and owed 1,250,000YEN. I paid that. I then owed the prefecture around 800,000YEN, however I did not pay this and just left thinking I would never return with my wife and son.
I have a dependent spouse visa that runs out april of this year. I am thinking of returning to a different part of Japan next year. I would need to re apply for my visa. Would me not paying the pref tax screw me?
Has anyone any experience with this? If there is not a problem with my visa and I get around it, do each prefectures have some sort of connection?
I was told the different tax departments do not.

Any advice would be great.

ps all bills were paid apart from pref tax. I didnt see the point at the time and really could not afford it.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I was audited for not paying tax for some years. I was a very well established english teacher and owed 1,250,000YEN. I paid that. I then owed the prefecture around 800,000YEN, however I did not pay this and just left thinking I would never return with my wife and son.
I have a dependent spouse visa that runs out april of this year. I am thinking of returning to a different part of Japan next year. I would need to re apply for my visa. Would me not paying the pref tax screw me?
Has anyone any experience with this? If there is not a problem with my visa and I get around it, do each prefectures have some sort of connection?
I was told the different tax departments do not.

Any advice would be great.

ps all bills were paid apart from pref tax. I didnt see the point at the time and really could not afford it.

Do us a favor and don't come back. Fucking gaijin who bale on their reponsibilities really piss me off since they screw it up for the rest of us.

[Ketou]

I would honestly be surprised if the tax office and the immigration office had the ability to share info. Japan is way behind when it comes to integration of various departments.

[omae mona]

Gracie, why don't you do the right thing and pay the taxes and penalties you owe, rather than worrying about whether you'll be caught?

[gomichild]

Chances are they will let you pay it off in small amounts over a period of time - although the window for that may have already closed.

And the point of the taxes is to keep the area you live in running.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

people like you piss me off. i am/was not obligated to pay local taxes, yet i always paid the bike permit fees for my area, paid for the extra insurance on behalf of the owner of my flat, called the large removal service and actually paid for the disposal of large appliances rather than dumping them on the street like some people do.

now you want to come back and go not pay taxes in a different part of japan? take SJ's advise and don't come back. it was the 'very well established english teacher' that skipped out on taxes because you just assumed you'd never come back (although you did make off with one of it's citizens and enjoyed all the insurance and other spousal benefits during your time here) that makes people like you irritating.

[kusai Jijii]

Would me not paying the pref tax screw me?

I hope so.

[james]

Has anyone any experience with this?

no experience being the douche when it comes to this, but i certainly have some experience as a result of people like yourself who abdicate their responsibilities simply because they're leaving. in my case, it was a number of people of a certain minority who felt no need to pay their credit card bills upon leaving.

Any advice would be great.

don't come to shimane.

I didnt see the point at the time and really could not afford it.

you'd be amazed how flexible cash-strapped municipalities can be when trying to collect money that you owe them. i'm sure, of course, that you went to every effort to explain your situation and tried to work something out with them.

[Greji]

ps all bills were paid apart from pref tax. I didnt see the point at the time and really could not afford it.

I won't add any more shots at you for not "seeing the point at the time", other than we all do it and get tossed into the same boat when somebody doesn't.

Going back to your problem, the simple answer is, where ever you relocate to, you make arrangements to pay what you owe and they will probably work with you for a payment plan to pay it.

However, in answer to your question, if you are going to a new place in Japan you may not come up on the radar depending on how computerized your new home is. It should not affect up dating the visa, but when you register your residence at the local city office, it could pop up. You probably need to approach filling out all paperwork as a brand new resident coming in from overseas and not refer to any prior residency in as much as you can without of course, submitting a false application. You really, really don't want to do that. I wouldn't hope for too much, because on the reverse of your national tax application, they will ask you about your total time in Japan. Now that is National Tax, but it is a document that has its way of coming to the surface in city records at various times. However, if it goes by the wayside and you remain current in local and national taxes, it is possible they may never reconcile any previous residences and hence previous tax questions.

As I say, the easiest way is to pay up.

[waruta]

Nice reply Greji.

As previously stated, you should pay the taxes and whatnot as the government does seem to be digitalizing everything nowadays, I just changed the "setainushi" (head of household) into my name as soon as I got a better job and lo and behold, a week later the local ward office sent the resident tax form along with the income tax form. They only act quickly when money is at stake. Also, as previously stated, they are willing to be flexible when it comes to back taxes and payments, so it might just be better to come clean and see what happens.

btw. don't come to yokohama either.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

G...your diplomacy is just outstanding.

[Greji]

G...your diplomacy is just outstanding.

Among other things, plus I'm broke. That's why I'm going to stay at your place when I go to Dubai in June. I'll send you my preferred cater's number in advance.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Among other things, plus I'm broke. That's why I'm going to stay at your place when I go to Dubai in June. I'll send you my preferred cater's number in advance.

wow, i guess i'd better find an apartment then. my employers will be well surprised to know i've relocated to dubai!

[GRACIE]

I won't add any more shots at you for not "seeing the point at the time", other than we all do it and get tossed into the same boat when somebody doesn't.

Going back to your problem, the simple answer is, where ever you relocate to, you make arrangements to pay what you owe and they will probably work with you for a payment plan to pay it.

However, in answer to your question, if you are going to a new place in Japan you may not come up on the radar depending on how computerized your new home is. It should not affect up dating the visa, but when you register your residence at the local city office, it could pop up. You probably need to approach filling out all paperwork as a brand new resident coming in from overseas and not refer to any prior residency in as much as you can without of course, submitting a false application. You really, really don't want to do that. I wouldn't hope for too much, because on the reverse of your national tax application, they will ask you about your total time in Japan. Now that is National Tax, but it is a document that has its way of coming to the surface in city records at various times. However, if it goes by the wayside and you remain current in local and national taxes, it is possible they may never reconcile any previous residences and hence previous tax questions.

As I say, the easiest way is to pay up.

Thank you for your reply. It made sense.

for all you self righteous gaijin that dont want your bs goody two shoes image tarnished - FU. I lived a good life in Japan. I treated people well and paid all my bills apart from tax. screw the Gov. they screw with the peoples money like there is no tomorrow so I an guarantee you I can sleep very well.
Im not going to say to you "oh I should have been GOMENASAI", because I am not. I should have handled my business affairs better all in all and paying my taxes would have been a part of that. I should have paid taxes but not for the reason of feeling bad for not paying the government money they would have only squandered.
I hate this "you asshole gaijin, you make the rest of us look bad!". well for those dicks that say that, here is some NEWS, most Japanese avoid tax somehow too. And what, you telling me you never did anything to be ashamed of? like getting drunk in a bar acting the big tough gaijin? or bang some salary mans mrs? or some shit.
I asked a question, and I get bombarded with self righteous wanna be gaijin do gooder priests who say "dont do that in MY Japan".
Think about what some of you said, you don`t even know me and yet you form an opinion of me with what? I didnt pay taxes...
for the people who posted "normally" thanks.
btw I may never come back, only for a holiday as I have a good job and life is great where I am. I just wanted to keep my options open and do have fond memories of Japan. However, that being said...things change and the Japanese economy will never recover. The good days are long good.

[Greji]

btw I may never come back, only for a holiday as I have a good job and life is great where I am. I just wanted to keep my options open and do have fond memories of Japan. However, that being said...things change and the Japanese economy will never recover. The good days are long good.

Japan's still as good as you wanna make it. Oh, and about the replies that got to ya, don't worry about 'em unless they start posting nice things about you. Then youse needs to worry. This is FG and the first liar ain't got a chance....

Cheers

[omae mona]

I hate this "you asshole gaijin, you make the rest of us look bad!".

OK, how about this:

"you asshole gaijin, you made the rest of us subsidize the government services that you benefited from, using our hard-earned yen".

Does that work any better for you? If you can't take the heat when people complain after you announced you fucked them over, then you should not be asking for advice on the Internet.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Im not going to say to you "oh I should have been GOMENASAI", because I am not. I should have handled my business affairs better all in all and paying my taxes would have been a part of that. I should have paid taxes but not for the reason of feeling bad for not paying the government money they would have only squandered.
I hate this "you asshole gaijin, you make the rest of us look bad!". well for those dicks that say that, here is some NEWS, most Japanese avoid tax somehow too.

you were a guest in japan, play by the rules of your host, even if you don't agree with them! they allowed you to live and granted you the priveledge of a work visa. what the government does with their tax money, squandered or not, is their business.

you can't compare yourself to one of their citizens as to having the 'right' to not pay your taxes. i'm sure if the situation happened in your country, you'd be annoyed that a green card holder wasn't paying up.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Thank you for your reply. It made sense.

for all you self righteous gaijin that dont want your bs goody two shoes image tarnished - FU. I lived a good life in Japan. I treated people well and paid all my bills apart from tax. screw the Gov. they screw with the peoples money like there is no tomorrow so I an guarantee you I can sleep very well.
Im not going to say to you "oh I should have been GOMENASAI", because I am not. I should have handled my business affairs better all in all and paying my taxes would have been a part of that. I should have paid taxes but not for the reason of feeling bad for not paying the government money they would have only squandered.
I hate this "you asshole gaijin, you make the rest of us look bad!". well for those dicks that say that, here is some NEWS, most Japanese avoid tax somehow too. And what, you telling me you never did anything to be ashamed of? like getting drunk in a bar acting the big tough gaijin? or bang some salary mans mrs? or some shit.
I asked a question, and I get bombarded with self righteous wanna be gaijin do gooder priests who say "dont do that in MY Japan".
Think about what some of you said, you don`t even know me and yet you form an opinion of me with what? I didnt pay taxes...
for the people who posted "normally" thanks.
btw I may never come back, only for a holiday as I have a good job and life is great where I am. I just wanted to keep my options open and do have fond memories of Japan. However, that being said...things change and the Japanese economy will never recover. The good days are long good.

Faggot.

[Mike Oxlong]

Faggot.

Louis C.K. on "faggot"...
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[Cyka UchuuJin]

Faggot.

haha! i need to take the SJ course in summing up in one sentence or less.

[nottu]

[Ketou]

Thank you for your reply. It made sense.

for all you self righteous gaijin that dont want your bs goody two shoes image tarnished - FU. I lived a good life in Japan. I treated people well and paid all my bills apart from tax. screw the Gov. they screw with the peoples money like there is no tomorrow so I an guarantee you I can sleep very well.
Im not going to say to you "oh I should have been GOMENASAI", because I am not. I should have handled my business affairs better all in all and paying my taxes would have been a part of that. I should have paid taxes but not for the reason of feeling bad for not paying the government money they would have only squandered.
I hate this "you asshole gaijin, you make the rest of us look bad!". well for those dicks that say that, here is some NEWS, most Japanese avoid tax somehow too. And what, you telling me you never did anything to be ashamed of? like getting drunk in a bar acting the big tough gaijin? or bang some salary mans mrs? or some shit.
I asked a question, and I get bombarded with self righteous wanna be gaijin do gooder priests who say "dont do that in MY Japan".
Think about what some of you said, you don`t even know me and yet you form an opinion of me with what? I didnt pay taxes...
for the people who posted "normally" thanks.
btw I may never come back, only for a holiday as I have a good job and life is great where I am. I just wanted to keep my options open and do have fond memories of Japan. However, that being said...things change and the Japanese economy will never recover. The good days are long good.

I'd have to agree with the self righteous gaijin bit....one of them even gave me a red snot for my last comment in this thread.


I would really like to know what you people who are so worried about your image are thinking?? This is a serious question, no sarcasm. How is one persons tax avoidance such a calamity for the rest of gaijinhood?

[james]

How is one persons tax avoidance such a calamity for the rest of gaijinhood?

because of the singularly binary world view held by most japanese - so what one idiot foreigner does reflects very disproportionately on people as a group.

[omae mona]

How is one persons tax avoidance such a calamity for the rest of gaijinhood?

On top of the gaijin-related arguments (which James summarized nicely), I also just hate tax dodgers. Why should I get stuck with part of the bill to subsidize this guy's life? I don't know him. And on top of that, it turns out I've involuntarily subsidized a complete asshole too.

[Ketou]

On top of the gaijin-related arguments (which James summarized nicely), I also just hate tax dodgers. Why should I get stuck with part of the bill to subsidize this guy's life? I don't know him. And on top of that, it turns out I've involuntarily subsidized a complete asshole too.

A lot lot LOT more of your tax dollars go to subsidise the Central Bank.
Sorry, but I just cannot fathom how you could be angry at one guy when the whole tax system is an absolute farce.

I must admit I am a bit oddball. I also cannot wrap my head around belief, patriotism, tribalism, sport...etc.

[omae mona]

A lot lot LOT more of your tax dollars go to subsidise the Central Bank.

Fine, but that's done under the law, presumably done in the interest of all citizens, and if you disagree you can work towards booting the politicians supporting it out of office.

Tax dodging is done by crooks who think they deserve special treatment. Nobody, anywhere, thought "hey, let's give this guy a 100% a tax break". It's a selfish act. It impacts other people.

Sorry, but I just cannot fathom how you could be angry at one guy when the whole tax system is an absolute farce.

Are you saying it's OK to dodge taxes because you disagree with the idea? That's selfish. In a democracy, you are supposed to effect change by participating in the democratic process, not by stealing. Stealing fucks over the people who didn't do it (even if they, too, oppose taxes). You think the rest of us have fun paying taxes?

[GRACIE]

I'd have to agree with the self righteous gaijin bit....one of them even gave me a red snot for my last comment in this thread.


I would really like to know what you people who are so worried about your image are thinking?? This is a serious question, no sarcasm. How is one persons tax avoidance such a calamity for the rest of gaijinhood?

I tell you why and how. Because we live in cyberspace where you get the tough guys that arent really tough in real life and would never even think about saying to me what they say here. I have seen this before.

They also have some kind of "complexu" about being a gaijin, actually reminds me of some african americans. So when you do something "wrong" then they will pounce on you (remember, cyber space only) like a pink bunny.

Faggot.

and you say this over the internet. wow big balls you have.

because of the singularly binary world view held by most japanese - so what one idiot foreigner does reflects very disproportionately on people as a group.

then that would be the japanese persons problem and your problem.
wouldnt it?

what did I do that was so wrong? what? I dodged some tax just like basically every second Japanese person. big deal. did I sell and deal drugs? no. Did I rape some girl? no. perhaps murder someone? nope. drive drunk and kill somone? not that either. I dodged some tax. big deal.
sorry mr clean.

On top of the gaijin-related arguments (which James summarized nicely), I also just hate tax dodgers. Why should I get stuck with part of the bill to subsidize this guy's life? I don't know him. And on top of that, it turns out I've involuntarily subsidized a complete asshole too.

really? do your maths pal. I doubt you really paid for much.
you hate tax dodgers? I dont give a shit. I hate poofs on the internet pretending to be tough like yourself.

Fine, but that's done under the law, presumably done in the interest of all citizens, and if you disagree you can work towards booting the politicians supporting it out of office.

Tax dodging is done by crooks who think they deserve special treatment. Nobody, anywhere, thought "hey, let's give this guy a 100% a tax break". It's a selfish act. It impacts other people.



Are you saying it's OK to dodge taxes because you disagree with the idea? That's selfish. In a democracy, you are supposed to effect change by participating in the democratic process, not by stealing. Stealing fucks over the people who didn't do it (even if they, too, oppose taxes). You think the rest of us have fun paying taxes?

listen little miss goody two shoes, I came on here asking a question, not to be abused by a pack of school girls. there is actually a reason why I didnt pay taxes for a few years in which I will not go into. The reason is legitimate, but I do not have to explain myself to you.
are you really clean? are you?? never played around on our girlfriend? (or bf).
you must have been living in Japan too long, casting the first stone and all. You act very Japanese pretending to be clean when you have an under layer of FILTH.

[Ketou]

Fine, but that's done under the law, presumably done in the interest of all citizens, and if you disagree you can work towards booting the politicians supporting it out of office.

Tax dodging is done by crooks who think they deserve special treatment. Nobody, anywhere, thought "hey, let's give this guy a 100% a tax break". It's a selfish act. It impacts other people.



Are you saying it's OK to dodge taxes because you disagree with the idea? That's selfish. In a democracy, you are supposed to effect change by participating in the democratic process, not by stealing. Stealing fucks over the people who didn't do it (even if they, too, oppose taxes). You think the rest of us have fun paying taxes?

What I am saying is that your anger is misplaced.
A massive sum of taxation dollars goes to pay back interest on a privately run parasitic Central Bank which prints our money at interest. The Central Bank system is stealing the taxes of every citizen in the country and you would support it over the poor bastard battlers trying to scratch together a crust?
Politicians scam away millions every year, Fat Cats avoid paying millions, the Central Banks sucks up tens of billions but this one lone knob who splits on a couple of grand.....what a prick he is!

[omae mona]

What I am saying is that your anger is misplaced.
A massive sum of taxation dollars goes to pay back interest on a privately run parasitic Central Bank which prints our money at interest. The Central Bank system is stealing the taxes of every citizen in the country and you would support it over the poor bastard battlers trying to scratch together a crust?
Politicians scam away millions every year, Fat Cats avoid paying millions, the Central Banks sucks up tens of billions but this one lone knob who splits on a couple of grand.....what a prick he is!

Have no fear. I am perfectly capable of being angry at multiple people at one time, believe me. You are creating a very silly straw man argument by trying to imply that since I think the OP is a crook, then I must support other tax evaders or corrupt politicians.

And you're making another silly argument by implying that you can't be angry about crime because you disagree with an unrelated government policy. Like the policy or not, it's implemented by a democratically elected government. I know you don't like it, but the majority of people, at least indirectly, voted for it. 0 people voted to give our friend a tax break. One of the compromises of living in society is, unfortunately, that you can't just do whatever you want, even if you disagree with the law. In exchange, society prevents people from killing you and raping your women (most of the time).

Anyway if we're going to turn this into a argument about "is government good?" that's way outside of my area of expertise (which is "nothing") and I'll ask somebody else to step in But the OP did not even evade taxes because of a philosophical difference with the government. Maybe you did. It sounds like the OP just decided to leech and use public money he wasn't entitled to, for his personal living expenses (or whatever).

[Samurai_Jerk]

Have no fear. I am perfectly capable of being angry at multiple people at one time, believe me. You are creating a very silly straw man argument by trying to imply that since I think the OP is a crook, then I must support other tax evaders or corrupt politicians.

And you're making another silly argument by implying that you can't be angry about crime because you disagree with an unrelated government policy.

I'm glad you noticed. I was going to write something early but then I figured there was no point in responding to someone with such spurious logic.