Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

[Coligny]

Yet another idiot wacko with internet access.

Welcome to earth... enjoy while it last...

[vanilla coke]

The "Illuminati" logo stuff at the start raised a red flag.

Completely wrote him off when he claimed that the USGS detects only 20% of the planet's earthquakes at any given time.

The rest is purely speculative bullshit.

Yet another idiot wacko with internet access.

yeah i thought that too when i saw the logo.....
but what he said about volcanic vents filling up with water and the plate crumbling - sounded half intelligent.
think my paranoia is starting to fully set in with each quake over M5.0

[cstaylor]

That and 1000yen per person. Enjoy.

[damn name]

In honor of tomorrow being the anniversary of the sinking of the RMS Titanic and the birth of "Dear Leader" Kim Il Sung, I'm taking a day off from "Disaster Watch." I won't be monitoring radiation readings or scanning the world for scary stuff. I may even venture outdoors, if I can still fit into my radiation suit and gas mask.

[Iraira]

In honor of tomorrow being the anniversary of the sinking of the RMS Titanic and the birth of "Dear Leader" Kim Il Sung, I'm taking a day off from "Disaster Watch." I won't be monitoring radiation readings or scanning the world for scary stuff. I may even venture outdoors, if I can still fit into my radiation suit and gas mask.

This Spring the discerning man will be wearing the Demron Full-Body Suit. Light -weight and durable, allowing you to garden for hours without those pesky beta and and even some gamma particles causing your hair to fall out or your chrmosomes to unravel. Don't get caught dead in last year's radiation suit, insist on Radiation Shield Technologies.
PS. Chicks dig the Demron Full-Body Suit. A steal at $1699.99 (XL and XXL sizes $100 more)

http://www.radshield.com/product_page_detail.asp?ProductID=985&ProductCatID=27&Search=

[Typhoon]

Economist: Nuclear Accidents

[Coligny]

Economist: Nuclear Accidents

This un-pissing contest is getting ridiculous, they (had to) switch from the "don't worry nukular is perfectly safe and clean since we know our stuff" speech to a new "don't worry, it will never be as bad as Chernobyl" and now "Still don't worry guys, it's as bad as Chernobyl but still less dangerous than eating bananas, btw, if them preggers and kids could stop eating bananas like right now, it would be awesome as we need them to fuel our next powerplant".

I still believe nukular energy 'just' work. But it's the last thing that should be made 'for profit'.

[Yokohammer]

Yet another worm wriggles out of the can ...

Radiation surges above 4's fuel pool

If it wasn't dangerous it'd be funny.

[Coligny]

Yet another worm wriggles out of the can ...

Radiation surges above 4's fuel pool

If it wasn't dangerous it'd be funny.

Do not forget the 6:30 Morning quake alarm... Who needs morning clock anymoar...

GoooooOOOOOOooooood morning JaappaaaAAAAAaaaaannn...

[Mike Oxlong]

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[Yokohammer]

Surely there's a way to harness all this earthquake energy to make electricity!

[Mulboyne]

Bear in mind this is Russia Today and Christopher Busby:

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[AML]

It has to be asked tho, eventually people who live closer to the plant will develop symptoms like cancer.

What will Tepco do then?

Its not like they can warn people in advance that there is an increased risk of cancer. That would just cause a panic.

So whats the plan? Wait for people to develop cancer then make them prove that it was caused by the plants leaking radiation so they can avoid paying out?

[Mulboyne]

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[damn name]

Today was supposed to be a vacation day.

"...eventually people who live closer to the plant will develop symptoms like cancer."

Can you explain how you arrived at this conclusion?

[Typhoon]

It was only a matter of time . . .

[Yokohammer]

Bear in mind this is Russia Today and Christopher Busby:

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OK, total layman here, but I know how to use a calculator.

Radiation in my town, which is about 70 km from the Fukushima plant, has been around 0.16 µSv/h for the past few days.
Suppose that level holds (chances are that it will actually decrease). So, 0.16 x 24 hours = 3.84/day x 365 = 1,401.6, or approximately 1.4 mSv for an entire year. The accepted maximum for non-radiation workers is 1 mSv per annum, so 1.4 mSv would be a tad more than that. But wait! That would be the dosage if we stayed outdoors 24 hours a day, every day, so let's be pessimistically realistic and reduce that result by just half, which gives us 0.7 mSv/annum. Looks OK to me, and 1 mSv is still just 100th of the maximum allowable dosage for radiation workers.

I can't understand what calculations this bereted buffoon is using to estimate such a high risk of cancer for people within a 200 km radius of the plant. Maybe he's just quoting the natural cancer rate per population?

[cstaylor]

Yokohammer, not to be a panic sheeple (thanks, FGL!), but internal intake of I-131 through contaminated air, water, and food is probably the biggest concern for people up that direction.

Some commentators are downplaying the potential impact by purposely confusing the public with external gamma radiation versus beta decay radiation from an ingested source. For example, the comparison to radioactive potassium from bananas. Yes, part of the the potassium in bananas goes through beta decay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose), but it does so extremely slowly, and potassium is used throughout the body.

Radioiodine (I-131) is stored almost entirely within the human thyroid gland, and it has a very short half-life (8 days), which means it produces a higher number of beta particles in a shorter amount of time, all of which are concentrated in the thyroid.

[Coligny]

It was only a matter of time . . .

More like... what took them so long...

[Yokohammer]

Yokohammer, not to be a panic sheeple (thanks, FGL!), but internal intake of I-131 through contaminated air, water, and food is probably the biggest concern for people up that direction. ... (snip) ... Radioiodine (I-131) is stored almost entirely within the human thyroid gland, and it has a very short half-life (8 days), which means it produces a higher number of beta particles in a shorter amount of time, all of which are concentrated in the thyroid.

But this is misleading too, because it assumes that there will be sustained levels of radioactive iodine contamination in the environment for a number of years. That just doesn't make sense. Once the plant is effectively contained ... even if it takes a few months ... the I-131 will be gone in a very short time.

[cstaylor]

But this is misleading too, because it assumes that there will be sustained levels of radioactive iodine contamination in the environment for a number of years. That just doesn't make sense. Once the plant is effectively contained ... even if it takes a few months ... the I-131 will be gone in a very short time.

That's correct. I-131 is a by-product of fission, so once fission completely stops, no more I-131 should be produced. Within three months all significant amounts of I-131 in the environment should be gone.

The automated insertion of the control rods stopped most of the fission within the reactor cores themselves, but the problems in the SFP (especially Reactor 4) suggest the possibility of a criticality accident. There are no control rods in SFPs nor substantial containment either.

Edit: Before damn name jumps in here, yes, water is used as a mediator to both cool the rods and prevent restarting the fission process, which is why its so important to keep those pools maintained.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Holy shit....I can remember the days on FG when all anybody talked about was schoolgirl panty vending machines and goats that Greji fucked. Now, we're dominated by nuclear physics. And who said the Internet dumbed people down? [color="White"](Thank God I'm a stalwart for the old days!!!)[/color]

[cstaylor]

Now, we're dominated by nuclear physics. And who said the Internet dumbed people down?

We're all following damn name here. My physics education ended at electromagnetism in college.

[Thug4Life]

Well, I really hope that you and yours are all OK Yokohammer. This is like a gad dang daily circus of horrors. Unreal. Take good care.

Well, I am not 100% sure, but I believe that in the above Russia Today video, Dr. Christopher Busby is talking about the ionizing radiation as a DNA-damaging agent just as Dr. Norman Coleman talks about in the above video posted by Mulboyne. Cancer, birth defects, and immunological problems can thus result from the effects of exposure to low-level ionization. And that there are individual differences in the susceptibility to the damage caused to DNA repair mechanisms. In other words, most teenagers and adults from say 15 - 65 will be OK. But some kids from the ages of like just-born to 12 may get cancer and not live to see their 25th birthdays.

And what I would like to know is why the flock is FVCKING TEPCO still in charge of this raging monster? Kan needs to act immediately and seize control of that negligent public utility. Then he needs to turn this disaster over to the world's best nuclear physicists and bring in the SELF DEFENSE FORCES in order to defend the nation against this catastrophe. Then Kan needs to throw Shimizu and all of his blood-sucking cronies in prison for life and/or publicly execute them live on NHK. I know that sounds nuts, but they deserve it. They're nothing but swine and criminals who are now engaging in mass murder!

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

:lol: We're all following damn name here. My physics education ended at electromagnetism in college.

God, you're lucky! High school? I'd always thought physics had something to do with phys ed and, having gone to an all-boys Catholic school, always avoided that subject as I associated it with getting rogered by dirty old priests while being sent into the dark rooms behind gyms on the pretext of searching for medicine balls (and being shown balls that were far from medicinal).

[matsuki]

what I would like to know is why the flock is FVCKING TEPCO still in charge of this raging monster? Kan needs to act immediately and seize control of that negligent public utility. Then he needs to turn this disaster over to the world's best nuclear physicists and bring in the SELF DEFENSE FORCES in to defend the nation against this catastrophe. Then Kan needs to throw Shimizu and all of his blood-sucking cronies in prison for life and/or publicly execute them live on NHK. I know that sounds nuts, but they deserve it. They're nothing but swine and criminals who are now engaging in mass murder!

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Only reason those guys are still alive is we're waiting on them to take action.

[omae mona]

[quote="Yokohammer"]OK, total layman here, but I know how to use a calculator.

Radiation in my town, which is about 70 km from the Fukushima plant, has been around 0.16 &#181]

What Hammer said. Also, the "accepted maximum for non-radiation workers" is the ADDITIONAL radiation allowance from man-made sources. So if you've picked up 1mSv from natural background radiation, 1mSv from medical scans, 1mSv from bananas, and 1mSv from the friendly neighborhood power plant, you're still within quota (well, except maybe the bananas). If I recall, 1mSv of background radiation is a very average level.

In other words, if you look at your 0.16 µSv/h and want to compare it to the annual 1mSv for non-radiation workers, I think you need to subtract out how much of that 0.16 µSv/h was already occurring naturally before March.

The fear and panic about cancer risk is only coming from people who flunked their courses in arithmetic, basic science, and common sense. (and yes, cstaylor, I agree it is a different story when it comes to food and drink intake. However, this risk can be managed very easily by not eating or drinking that stuff!)

[Typhoon]

What Hammer said. Also, the "accepted maximum for non-radiation workers" is the ADDITIONAL radiation allowance from man-made sources. So if you've picked up 1mSv from natural background radiation, 1mSv from medical scans, 1mSv from bananas, and 1mSv from the friendly neighborhood power plant, you're still within quota (well, except maybe the bananas). If I recall, 1mSv of background radiation is a very average level.

In other words, if you look at your 0.16 &#181]The fear and panic about cancer risk is only coming from people who flunked their courses in arithmetic, basic science, and common sense[/I]. (and yes, cstaylor, I agree it is a different story when it comes to food and drink intake. However, this risk can be managed very easily by not eating or drinking that stuff!)

Seconded.

[cstaylor]

However, this risk can be managed very easily by not eating or drinking that stuff!

I agree. Let's hope JA's greed doesn't get in the way of food safety.

[wuchan]

I agree. Let's hope JA's greed doesn't get in the way of food safety.

more likely the JA will continue to pay the farmers the same price but charge the stores double due to a "food shortage"