Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

[Coligny]

[Guest]

http://www.fairewinds.com/content/tokyo-soil-samples-would-be-considered-nuclear-waste-us

Five random samples taken in Tokyo, all five qualify as nuclear waste.

[Taro Toporific]

And the others are not exactly shitting rainbows either...

Yeah, but the local sea life is loving the respite from overfishing.


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[yanpa]

I was just lending a tentacle to the cleanup operations.

[Coligny]

I was just lending a tentacle to the cleanup operations.

My sister asked for your phone number... and if you do "health service" home deliveries...

[yanpa]

My sister asked for your phone number... and if you do "health service" home deliveries...

Yes, provided she sends me a photo of herself holding up a recent edition of "Canard Enchaine" or some other reputable publication. Also note I currently cannot not accept payment in Euros.

[2triky]

[Coligny]

That's some really conservative wording from the Times...

[Coligny]

Toyota offering the site of the Lexus factory in Tahara for radioactive debris burial. Governor of Aichi Tanaka Shithead planning to burn 1 milion tonnes of waste... Total cost of this circus around 600 milion yens...

http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2012/04/disaster-debris-wide-area-disposal.html

Aichi was late to the party for riding the shortbus but they are making up for the lost time... Nice to seethat foetal alcohol poisonning don't prevent from having a successful carreer as japanese politician...

[dimwit]

Toyota offering the site of the Lexus factory in Tahara for radioactive debris burial. Governor of Aichi Tanaka Shithead planning to burn 1 milion tonnes of waste... Total cost of this circus around 600 milion yens...

http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2012/04/disaster-debris-wide-area-disposal.html

Aichi was late to the party for riding the shortbus but they are making up for the lost time... Nice to seethat foetal alcohol poisonning don't prevent from having a successful carreer as japanese politician...

I sorry, but where in the source article does it say radioactive debris? I missed that. As for using reclaimed land that is presently used partially to manufacture automobiles, I can't see any objection to storing waste there. It is already doubly contaminated. Reclaimed land in Japan often contains high levels of high metals, PCB's and other poisons. Add to that the additional petrochemical and metal pollutants associated with automotive manufacturing and I can't imagine the site is going to get any worse.

[Coligny]

I sorry, but where in the source article does it say radioactive debris? I missed that. As for using reclaimed land that is presently used partially to manufacture automobiles, I can't see any objection to storing waste there. It is already doubly contaminated. Reclaimed land in Japan often contains high levels of high metals, PCB's and other poisons. Add to that the additional petrochemical and metal pollutants associated with automotive manufacturing and I can't imagine the site is going to get any worse.

Third line:

Tohoku disaster debris.

That's the codeword for "In 6 month we'll say we didn't knew it was radioactive, shoganai, not our fault"

[dimwit]

Third line:



That's the codeword for "In 6 month we'll say we didn't knew it was radioactive, shoganai, not our fault"

Well, if the debris is from Taro town in Iwata it is very unlikely to contain radioactive waste. The waste from Fukushima which is highly radioactive has not been collected because most of it lays in the exclusion zone, and no clean up has been done there.

[Russell]

I sorry, but where in the source article does it say radioactive debris? I missed that. As for using reclaimed land that is presently used partially to manufacture automobiles, I can't see any objection to storing waste there. It is already doubly contaminated. Reclaimed land in Japan often contains high levels of high metals, PCB's and other poisons. Add to that the additional petrochemical and metal pollutants associated with automotive manufacturing and I can't imagine the site is going to get any worse.

So, you're saying dumping that debris will actually clean up the Toyota-site, since it decreases the concentration of pollutants?!?

[dimwit]

So, you're saying dumping that debris will actually clean up the Toyota-site, since it decreases the concentration of pollutants?!?

Hahaha. Who knows? I haven't a clue how good or bad the landfill at the Toyota site is, but given the lack of monitoring information about of most sites, I sure as hell would want to take the family on a picnic there.

Personally, I think moving all the debris is a waste of money, since land on which it presently sits is not going to be or should not be developed. Why not use the stuff to build berms?

[Yokohammer]

Third line:

Tohoku disaster debris

That's the codeword for "In 6 month we'll say we didn't knew it was radioactive, shoganai, not our fault"

Coligny.

Please stop doing this.

"Tohoku disaster debris" does NOT equal "radioactive."

There was a tsunami, remember?

I've basically given up trying, but this one is just too egregious.

It's wrong and it's unfair. Please stop.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Coligny.

Please stop doing this.

"Tohoku disaster debris" does NOT equal "radioactive."

There was a tsunami, remember?

I've basically given up trying, but this one is just too egregious.

It's wrong and it's unfair. Please stop.

Sorry, hammer, I'm with the Frenchy on this one. Japanese radiation readings/reports/handling are as credible as the scientific research that allows me to have my dolphin sandwich this morning.

[dimwit]

Sorry, hammer, I'm with the Frenchy on this one. Japanese radiation readings/reports/handling are as credible as the scientific research that allows me to have my dolphin sandwich this morning.

Anyone can take radiation readings and indeed since the earthquake a great number of people have, making it much more difficult to fudge the data.

[Yokohammer]

Sorry, hammer, I'm with the Frenchy on this one. Japanese radiation readings/reports/handling are as credible as the scientific research that allows me to have my dolphin sandwich this morning.

I'm really fed up with this nonsense. It's just sloppy, panicky thinking.

People seem to be having a hard time differentiating between the primary disaster, the earthquake and tsunami that killed close to 20,000 people, and the nuclear fuckup, which has killed maybe two people thus far. Although it is terrible for the people who have had to leave their homes and hometowns.

The two are ONLY related in that it was the earthquake/tsunami that triggered the nuclear accident.

Now, the tsunami created debris for hundreds of thousands of kilometers all up and down the pacific coast. The nuclear disaster did not create any debris other than the plant buildings that blew up within the plant compound. The nuclear accident did contaminate everything around it for a several tens of kilometers, including any debris that happened to be in that area. But as a percentage of total "Tohoku disaster debris" it is very, very small.

Tsunami debris is not radioactive by default. And it is unbelievably small-minded and damaging to imply that it is.

But if you insist ... carry on . I'm just too tired to fight any more (must be the radiation getting to me). Why not just build a wall along the southern border of Fukushima and stop anyone or anything from leaving and contaminating the rest of the country? That'll solve the problem, eh?

Good luck.

And now back to regular programming ...

[Greji]

Sorry, hammer, I'm with the Frenchy on this one. Japanese radiation readings/reports/handling are as credible as the scientific research that allows me to have my dolphin sandwich this morning.

Ahhh man, don't tell me you going to fillet flipper?

[Mike Oxlong]

I'm really fed up with this...

But why ship it at all? Why does it have to be cleared up by the government imposed deadline? Why make it necessary to send it to every part of the country to meet an arbitrary deadline? Could it be that the disposal and recycling companies stand to make huge profits, along with the transport companies and their bureaucrat allies? Why not dispose, recycle, and deal with it as close to the problem as possible? The current so-called solution is business as usual, and that mentality will destroy us all. Sadly, the disaster was not a big enough wake-up call.

It's clear that most of the rest of the country doesn't want it. Criticize them all you wish, but they do have the right to choose to take it or not. Just because they say "no" doesn't make them a part of any problem. The solution doesn't have to be imposed on the rest of the country, when it's already been clearly demonstrated that they will willingly give both time and money to help the area and victims. Develop industry and jobs (disposal and recycling might be a good start) in Tohoku if want to see recovery.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

But why ship it at all? Why does it have to be cleared up by the government imposed deadline? Why make it necessary to send it to every part of the country to meet an arbitrary deadline? Could it be that the disposal and recycling companies stand to make huge profits, along with the transport companies and their bureaucrat allies? Why not dispose, recycle, and deal with it as close to the problem as possible? The current so-called solution is business as usual, and that mentality will destroy us all. Sadly, the disaster was not a big enough wake-up call.

It's clear that most of the rest of the country doesn't want it. Criticize them all you wish, but they do have the right to choose to take it or not. Just because they say "no" doesn't make them a part of any problem. The solution doesn't have to be imposed on the rest of the country, when it's already been clearly demonstrated that they will willingly give both time and money to help the area and victims. Develop industry and jobs (disposal and recycling might be a good start) in Tohoku if want to see recovery.

Don't be so logical and sensible, mate...this is the Internet and TIJ.

[cstaylor]

Tsunami debris is not radioactive by default. And it is unbelievably small-minded and damaging to imply that it is.

Have you considered that debris marked safe and tested for radiation could then have radioactive debris added on-route to the destination prefecture? Considering the profits involved here, those with little to gain (the residents of non-Tohoku prefectures) are understandably worried.

[cstaylor]

But why ship it at all?

Misery loves company... or as aptly put in FMJ:

"In other words, it's a huge shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite."

[Yokohammer]

Can we just get one thing straight before I give up completely?

I really don't give a fuck about who takes care of the debris, or where. As long as it's taken care of I'm fine. But it has to be taken care of, somehow. That's a fact.

OK ... now ... focus for just a few seconds please. Here's what I'm saying:

I am very, very concerned about people making statements that imply and spread the clearly mistaken view that all of Tohoku is radioactive. That all "Tohoku disaster debris" is radioactive.

[SIZE="4"]It ... is ... not.[/SIZE]

Coligny's recent comment above, equating "Tohoku disaster debris" with "radioactive", is precisely the kind of statement I'm talking about. It's wrong. It's misrepresentative. It gives people who can't/won't think for themselves the wrong impression.

The damage that has been, is being, and will probably continue to be done by disseminating that kind of bullshit is inestimable. And it is bullshit. You can go on and on about trusting the government and blah blah as much as you like, but all it takes is a fucking geiger counter. And there are thousands if not tens of thousands of the things beeping away all over the goddamn place. We know where the radiation is, and where it isn't. So for fuck's sake stop making up and spreading bullshit!

Thank you. I am done now.
You may go back to your reverie.

[Mike Oxlong]

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

We know where the radiation is, and where it isn't.

Umm, sorry to be pedantic, but...there isn't "where it isn't" because there's always radiation everywhere.

[Yokohammer]

Umm, sorry to be pedantic, but...there isn't "where it isn't" because there's always radiation everywhere.

This is exactly why I've come to the conclusion that there's really no point in trying to have a meaningful discussion here.

You know damn well what I mean, but I guess here on the Internet it's more important to deliver the funniest/coolest/snarkiest comeback than to try and assimilate ideas and information about a very real and serious problem that is affecting the lives of people in very real ways.

I'm all for fun and games where appropriate, but unfortunately the line defining "where appropriate" seems to have been misplaced somewhere.

So the quest to become the Alpha Poster continues unabated.

Whatever.

Fuggit.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you.

[Yokohammer]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you.

It's OK. Just the nature of the beast.

So be it.

I expect too much sometimes.

[canman]

I have to agree with Yokohammer on this one. We have a ton of debris to be disposed of, but there is just not enough incinerators to get the job done. This debris, which I'm fairly sure is not radioactive, considering we are further away from Fukushima than most of you Kanto people are, is really causing a headache for reconstruction. There is no place to put it, while waiting for it to be disposed of, so any work to get homes and buildings and other things built is put on hold. The reason there is a rush to get this done, is precisely the complaint the gov't has been facing not enough rebuilding and reconstruction. But if you have piles of waste taking up space, then how can you start to rebuild?
While I also agree with the idea of trying to dispose of the material near where it is, it would take at lest two years to build facilities to burn this. The cost would be huge, adding to the huge debt, and then in a few years when the ruble was finally disposed of, they would sit there as white elephants and everybody would blame the gov't for wasting more money.