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Postby Russell » Fri May 29, 2015 9:43 pm

Noticing the increasing frequency of volcanoes recently, I think it's about time to start a thread on them.

Island off southern Japan evacuated after volcano erupts

A volcano erupted on a remote Japanese island on Friday, blasting black smoke thousands of meters into the sky and forcing residents to flee by boat and an airline to re-route flights.

A pyroclastic flow of super-heated gas and rock rolled down the side of Mount Shindake, on the southern island of Kuchinoerabujima, and into the ocean.

A 72-year-old man suffered minor burns to his face but there were no reports of other injuries among the island’s 137 residents.

“It sounded like dynamite had exploded, and the house shook,” one resident told TV Asahi.

Others described a smell of sulphur and clouds of smoke that blacked out the sky. Ash blanketed lower slopes and fell like snow on Yakushima, 12 km to the east.

Residents, many elderly and carrying boxes and bags, fled by boat to the closest neighboring island of Yakushima, an hour away, where they disembarked shortly before sunset. Several struggled to control excited dogs on leads.

“All I could bring were a few emergency goods. It was utter chaos,” one man told Fuji TV. “I’m really worried about things back home.”

Smoke shot more than 9,000 meters into the sky and officials warned of more big eruptions and urged “extreme caution”.

All Nippon Airways said it would divert some flights as a precaution but it did not cancel any. Japan Airlines said it did not have any plans to change flights.

Kuchinoerabujima is about 130 km south of Japan’s southernmost main island of Kyushu, and 1,000 km southwest of Tokyo.

It was not clear if the eruption would affect the restart of Kyushu Electric Power’s Sendai nuclear plant, which on Wednesday cleared the last of the nuclear regulator’s safety hurdles, introduced after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant disaster triggered by a March 11, 2011, earthquake and tsunami.

The company said the volcano posed no risk to the Sendai plant on Kyushu, and volcanologists agreed.

The island has seen several eruptions, including one in 1933 that killed eight people, but Mount Shindake was dormant for 34 years until last year.

Japan is one of the world’s most seismically active countries and there has been an upsurge in volcanic activity in recent weeks, which volcanologists said may be linked to the big 2011 earthquake that set off a tsunami that killed nearly 20,000 people.

In 2014, 63 people were killed when Mount Ontake in central Japan erupted while packed with hikers.

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Re: Volcano!

Postby wagyl » Fri May 29, 2015 10:38 pm

Russell wrote:Noticing the increasing frequency of volcanoes recently, I think it's about time to start a thread on them.

Island off southern Japan evacuated after volcano erupts

there has been an upsurge in volcanic activity in recent weeks, which volcanologists said may be linked to the big 2011 earthquake that set off a tsunami that killed nearly 20,000 people.

An exploding mountain thread is a good idea, Russell.

It probably says a little about my state of mind lately, and a little about the state of journalism lately (more and more newspapers are becoming just magazines, in my view), but I can't stop myself asking "Who? Which volcanologists are these? Link to source, please, journalist!" Of course, the other explanation could be "well, the volcano may be linked to an earthquake in 2011, or it may be linked to that fart I let rip two minutes before, or it may be linked to anything else you care to mention" which seems to be regarded as a valid explanation in this current journalistic climate.

There is this Scientific American article, which says little more than "sometimes earthquakes can be followed by volcanoes, but you can't say which or when, although it does give us the opportunity to mention Fuji and the carnage which would result." The journalist has a name made for her profession.
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Postby yanpa » Fri May 29, 2015 11:58 pm

The Professory dude interviewed on NHK news seemed to think there is no connection between the recent outbreaks. Mind you he could just be a mouthpiece of The Government disseminating disinformation. Heck, so could I as I can't be bothered to back this up with a verifiable citation.
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Postby Coligny » Sat May 30, 2015 12:48 am

yanpa wrote:The Professory dude interviewed on NHK news seemed to think there is no connection between the recent outbreaks. Mind you he could just be a mouthpiece of The Government disseminating disinformation. Heck, so could I as I can't be bothered to back this up with a verifiable citation.



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Re: Volcano!

Postby wagyl » Sat May 30, 2015 9:38 am

This might end up being a threadjack, but speaking of science in journalism... http://io9.com/i-fooled-millions-into-t ... 1707251800
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Postby Wage Slave » Sat May 30, 2015 10:00 am

Excellent article. And that, folks, is how it works. It should probably be reposted in the heart attack thread.
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Re: Volcano!

Postby Russell » Sat May 30, 2015 11:00 am

All good and well, journalists tend to lack scientific credentials, no doubt about that, and that's why they didn't become scientists in the first place, innit?

I don't know how this chocolate article relates to volcanoes, but it is not really convincing to me on a scientific level. They got a paper accepted in an obscure open-access journal, after submitting it simultaneously to 20 scientific journals (which in itself is a breach of scientific ethical standards). Open-access journals have become notorious in recent years for accepting (and rejecting) papers without decent peer review. The journal in question here is the International Archives of Medicine published by iMed.pub, which is on Beall’s black list of predatory publishers.

So, yes, the authors got the attention of journalists. That is hardly an accomplishment.

Back to volcanoes. I assume that Wagyl's comment relates to the following quote:

Japan is one of the world’s most seismically active countries and there has been an upsurge in volcanic activity in recent weeks, which volcanologists said may be linked to the big 2011 earthquake that set off a tsunami that killed nearly 20,000 people.

Though it would have been accurate to identify the volcanologists who have the above opinion (but that may be quite a few), it is hardly a sloppy statement. Note the use of the word "may" in "may be linked to".
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Postby wagyl » Sat May 30, 2015 11:18 am

Note also the use of the word "may" in "may be linked to that fart I did at 9:56 yesterday morning."

The statement has exactly the same validity. Depending on your point of view, linking a volcano to an earthquake over four years ago, or to my farts, may lead to you having a greater or lesser degree of irrational fear. Note the use of the word "may."

As Wage Slave said, the chocolate article might have been better in the Heart Attack thread, it was just that my mini rant about unattributed scientific soundbites here was fresher in my mind. I will, however, recall your comment about the authors getting the attention of journalists and how that is not surprising the next time I read a post about how saturated fat, which used to wear a black hat, now wears a white hat (made of coconut fronds).
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Postby Coligny » Sat May 30, 2015 11:28 am

Russell wrote:All good and well, journalists tend to lack scientific credentials, no doubt about that, and that's why they didn't become scientists in the first place, innit?

I don't know how this chocolate article relates to volcanoes, but it is not really convincing to me on a scientific level. They got a paper accepted in an obscure open-access journal, after submitting it simultaneously to 20 scientific journals (which in itself is a breach of scientific ethical standards). Open-access journals have become notorious in recent years for accepting (and rejecting) papers without decent peer review. The journal in question here is the International Archives of Medicine published by iMed.pub, which is on Beall’s black list of predatory publishers.

So, yes, the authors got the attention of journalists. That is hardly an accomplishment.

Back to volcanoes. I assume that Wagyl's comment relates to the following quote:

Japan is one of the world’s most seismically active countries and there has been an upsurge in volcanic activity in recent weeks, which volcanologists said may be linked to the big 2011 earthquake that set off a tsunami that killed nearly 20,000 people.

Though it would have been accurate to identify the volcanologists who have the above opinion (but that may be quite a few), it is hardly a sloppy statement. Note the use of the word "may" in "may be linked to".


Geez, it's like if people had forgotten the stap cell scandall already. Tchokluts issues are tame by comparison and last week issue was dangerous killer bacteria living in mens' beards... Which was strangely absent of any concerns for pubes biosphere... But more certainly driven by people hating on hipsters or lumbersexuals...

And remember when masturbation was making people deaf ? Any time someone want to push an agenda on the cheap, just put some pseudo scientific baking behind... (Phrenology anyone ?) At least it provide an excuse for the reasonning of climate change denyers...

As for volcano and seismology... Balking at "may" or "maybe" is borderline on creationism. Yup, not everything is certain, plate techtonic is new from the 70' and with every work in progress field it's the admission of uncertainty that usually clue you on the value of the research. An honest "we think" is ten time better than an agenda driven "we are sure". (Well that and the principle of caution... Usually hammered down under greedy profit maximization needs "hey, you want us to pass on a few bucks because of something bad that might not even happen... No way...- no matter how disastrous things get if said bad thing happens btw-)
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Postby Coligny » Sat May 30, 2015 11:55 am

and suddenly, all reason helicoptered into the aether...


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Postby Russell » Sat May 30, 2015 12:03 pm

wagyl wrote:Note also the use of the word "may" in "may be linked to that fart I did at 9:56 yesterday morning."

The statement has exactly the same validity. Depending on your point of view, linking a volcano to an earthquake over four years ago, or to my farts, may lead to you having a greater or lesser degree of irrational fear. Note the use of the word "may."

As Wage Slave said, the chocolate article might have been better in the Heart Attack thread, it was just that my mini rant about unattributed scientific soundbites here was fresher in my mind. I will, however, recall your comment about the authors getting the attention of journalists and how that is not surprising the next time I read a post about how saturated fat, which used to wear a black hat, now wears a white hat (made of coconut fronds).

Unless your farts are linked through some esoteric mechanism to the flows of magma inside the earth, I do not see how they correlate to the same degree with earthquakes as volcanoes do. But I digress. The point of starting this thread was to discuss the recent apparent increase in volcanic activity in Japan. It's a pity that you didn't get that point.

Regarding dietary guidelines, it has emerged that they are often not supported by sound science, we seem to agree about that. It now appears that the guidelines warning us against saturated fats and cholesterol are just as doubtful. You seem to disagree, which is fine with me. If you wish to consume transfats instead, supplemented with statins, go ahead. I don't care.
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Postby Russell » Sat May 30, 2015 12:04 pm

Coligny wrote:and suddenly, all reason helicoptered into the aether...

Funny, Coligny, that it's you who claims to be a rational human being...
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Postby Russell » Sat May 30, 2015 12:08 pm

Wage Slave wrote:Excellent article. And that, folks, is how it works. It should probably be reposted in the heart attack thread.

Wage Slave, please, do so, and comment on it in more detail.

I noticed that you have become quite silent in that thread, even though you started it. Your comments are very welcome.
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Postby Coligny » Sat May 30, 2015 12:17 pm

Russell wrote:
Coligny wrote:and suddenly, all reason helicoptered into the aether...

Funny, Coligny, that it's you who claims to be a rational human being...


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Postby Russell » Sat May 30, 2015 12:21 pm

Some Volcano Expert Views

The explosive eruption on Mt. Shindake in Kagoshima Prefecture on Friday is likely to have involved the direct ejection of magma, or direct subterranean contact between magma and groundwater, experts say.

An explosive eruption is a violent eruption with a blast that spews rocks into the sky from the crater.

Three types of volcanic eruption have been defined. A phreatic eruption occurs after the heat from magma causes groundwater to boil, while a phreatomagmatic eruption happens when magma comes into direct contact with groundwater. A magmatic eruption involves the direct ejection of magma.

Setsuya Nakada, a professor at the University of Tokyo’s Volcano Research Center, said Friday’s eruption appeared to be magmatic after observing the height of its volcanic column and the way its pyroclastic flows had been generated.

“The scale of this eruption isn’t massive enough to affect a vast underground area, so there should be no significant impact on other volcanoes,” Nakada said.

However, Kagoshima University Associate Prof. Ryusuke Imura, who specializes in volcanic geology, suspects it was a phreatomagmatic eruption.

“The volcanic column briefly rose 9,000 meters high, but it seems that magma wasn’t actually ejected based on my observation of the volcanic column,” Imura said. “We’ve been aware that magma has ascended, as earthquakes have been occurring more frequently since about 10 years ago. I don’t think this is finished. The activity could continue and we could see another, more powerful eruption.”

Earthquakes around Kuchinoerabujima island, where the volcano is located, have increased in frequency since 2000. Mt. Shindake also erupted last August, spewing plumes of smoke more than 800 meters high, according to the Japan Meteorological Agency. An analysis of volcanic ash from that incident showed that magma is highly likely to have been involved in the eruption.

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Postby wagyl » Sat May 30, 2015 12:25 pm

Russell wrote:The point of starting this thread was to discuss the recent apparent increase in volcanic activity in Japan. It's a pity that you didn't get that point.

Oh, I do get that point, and you can be sure that this thread will be the place that I post any comment directly on that point. The extract of the article in your post also sent me on a tangent, and in the absence of anything to say about volcanoes, I posted some feedback and I think probably encouraged some active discussion.
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Postby Russell » Sat May 30, 2015 12:32 pm

wagyl wrote:
Russell wrote:The point of starting this thread was to discuss the recent apparent increase in volcanic activity in Japan. It's a pity that you didn't get that point.

Oh, I do get that point, and you can be sure that this thread will be the place that I post any comment directly on that point. The extract of the article in your post also sent me on a tangent, and in the absence of anything to say about volcanoes, I posted some feedback and I think probably encouraged some active discussion.

OK, only fair, and I appreciate your feedback, though I do not agree with it on all points.

I look forward to your future posts.

In some sense it would be better if this thread died out due to a lack of material (meaning that there will be low volcanic activity in the time to come)...
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Postby Coligny » Sat May 30, 2015 12:33 pm



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Postby Russell » Sat May 30, 2015 12:35 pm

Coligny wrote:


Discuss...
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Coligny, what's holding you back to start an open-access journal?

Quite a few Nigerians have done so too recently...
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Postby Coligny » Sat May 30, 2015 1:07 pm

Russell wrote:Coligny, what's holding you back to start an open-access journal?

Quite a few Nigerians have done so too recently...


You have full rights to completely ignore me.
These rights do not include any duty from me to STFU at your will.
Got it ? But since your shitting me on 2 different forums I'm starting to wonder if your tantrum is not linked to a full -adult- diapper or any other related intestinal malfunction... Fiber intake good enough ?


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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sat May 30, 2015 1:51 pm

Coligny wrote:I know, I'm worse than Hitler...


No but you are more German.
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Postby wagyl » Sat May 30, 2015 3:27 pm

Shock horror! There is a forum I am not on, but still Coligny feels hard done by in it.

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Postby Takechanpoo » Sat May 30, 2015 5:45 pm

coligny <<< this dude has two selfcontradictions

the basis of pride is only being french or european, in spite of the fact that fled and defected to japan
because he had been bullied severely like a roach in his childhood.
the more being useless scum, the more the one ironically, bitterly try to represent its home country or value system. :wink:

and this dude cannot live for a second without being fed by geisha.
nevertheless "it" spits on her face every single days while sitting on her lap
its just like a "proud" hikikomori guy :roll:

and the above 2 self-contradictions are often and typically seen among mainly euro-american gaijins living in japan, more or less.

coglniy is a sort of a symbol of those self-contradicted gaijins.
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Yea, it's almost like if I was not sucking any dick to win popularity contests...

Remember that anarchist... Elbert Hubbard...
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I'm more than certain that I do a lot of things wrong.... But... when i see the lineup of my most fidel detractors... Being on the shitlist of this clown parade sure feels right...
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Postby Russell » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:09 pm

Mount Asama erupts; officials warn activity may increase

One of Japan’s most active volcanos, Mount Asama burst into life on Tuesday morning. The Meterological Agency reported a “very small-scale” eruption, but warned people nearby that activity could continue and may grow in intensity.

It said the eruption could be a precursor to more violent activity, and that the volcano could hurl rocks into the sky.

The agency maintained the alert at level 2. A 2-km exclusion zone has been in place around the crater since Thursday.

National broadcaster NHK showed the volcano spewing grey volcanic fumes into a cloudy sky at about 9:20 a.m. on Tuesday. The video was captured by a surveillance camera west of the crater.

A reporter for the channel at the Asama Volcano Museum, located on the Gunma side of the mountain, said he could smell no odor to indicate an eruption and that no ash was falling at that site.

The eruption was initially detected at about 9:30 a.m. by a staffer at a tourist facility, who informed the Meteorological Agency that volcanic ash was falling about 4 km north of the crater, NHK quoted the agency as saying.

“Mount Asama is a very active volcano, said Minoru Takeo, a professor at the University of Tokyo Earthquake Research Institute.

“There’s high possibility there will be sustained activity,” he said.

The volcano looms over the busy tourist resort of Karuizawa and scenic woodland filled with vacation lodges. Nearby municipalities are warning tourists and hikers of the risks.

“It looks like the eruption is small for now, but it’s a concern that tourists may be discouraged from visiting,” said a female staffer at Kaikoen, a park on the site of a former castle in Komoro, Nagano Prefecture, southwest of Mount Asama.

Numerous volcanic tremors have been recorded in recent days at Mount Asama, which straddles Gunma and Nagano prefectures, while output has risen of volcanic sulfur dioxide gas. This prompted the agency to raise its alert from level 1 to 2 on Thursday.

Mount Asama has erupted many times in the past. In 1783, a large-scale eruption resulted in more than 1,000 deaths and the destruction of many homes. There were 398 eruptions in 1941 and 287 eruptions in 1954.

Most recently, an eruption in 2009 deposited volcanic ash across the southern stretches of Kanto, but the eruption was classified as small-scale.

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Postby wagyl » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:52 am

As with financial news reporting, so with meteorological. If that was a "bursting into life," I do wonder what wording they reserve to describe a proper full-scale eruption.
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Postby Russell » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:24 am

wagyl wrote:As with financial news reporting, so with meteorological. If that was a "bursting into life," I do wonder what wording they reserve to describe a proper full-scale eruption.

A "proper full-scale bursting into life"...
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Postby matsuki » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:03 pm

It farted...just be glad it's doesn't have explosive diarrhea.....yet.

I wonder if there is volcano insurance...and if karuizawa properties are insurable. Dude I know was wanting to build there next year...maybe notsomuch now.
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Postby wagyl » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:30 pm

matsuki wrote:It farted...just be glad it's doesn't have explosive diarrhea.....yet.

I wonder if there is volcano insurance...and if karuizawa properties are insurable. Dude I know was wanting to build there next year...maybe notsomuch now.

I googled it for you. What is commonly called Earthquake Insurance is in fact Earthquake, Volcano and Tsunami Insurance. http://bosai-taisaku.net/earthquake/insurance.html
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Re: Volcano!

Postby yanpa » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:13 pm

So if you own a volcano and the top blows off, insurance will pay for it to be rebuilt?
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