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Yokohammer wrote:Anyway, now they've found plutonium in/on the ground at the plant. They're saying that because plutonium is heavy and doesn't gasify like iodine it won't travel far, but the fact remains that there is now plutonium outside the reactors.
Coligny wrote:Problem is not from radiation... problem is an accident managed by arrogant, incompetent chronical liars...
Same as glue-grade rice being sold as food for a quick buck, I can't wait to see food labelled as clean while glowing in the dark with government whatchdogs doing nothing is order to avoid disrupting companies profit and reputations.
FG Lurker wrote:Yeah, cause it's not like the power lines from those generators would've gotten wiped out by the tsunami.......like all the other power lines into the plants were.....
tigermilk wrote:So would it be selfish or stupid to travel to Tokyo anytime soon? I tend to go at least once a year and just trying to decide when. May is the last month before hell breaks out over there (and living in the hell of Houston in the summer, I know hell...). What's the scoop? Stay home so I'm not burdening the food and water supply chain? Spend my American bucks to help the economy?
cstaylor wrote:I was imagining mobile generators, not stationary ones. They brought in secondary generators after the first failed, but the power couplings didn't match.
cstaylor wrote:I was imagining mobile generators, not stationary ones. They brought in secondary generators after the first failed, but the power couplings didn't match.
Kanchou wrote:They did delay venting because they were afraid of radiating the PM while he was watching from the air.
He shouldn't have gone in the first place. He should have just let the experts do their jobs as quickly as humanly possible.
They brought in generators after the tsunami but before the initial meltdown, but they couldn't interface with the existing equipment. Then they ran out of gas in one of the portable generators.FG Lurker wrote:It's easy to look at a particular disaster and pick holes in plans after the fact.
If they had mobile generators and the quake had fucked up the surrounding transportation network (rather than being a relatively distant quake that generated a huge tsunami) you'd be going on about how they should have had generators on-site. What if it was a local quake that also generated a huge tsunami? Would you be telling them they should have had generators ready to be moved by helicopter?
Armchair quarterbacking at its finest.
Kanchou wrote:They did delay venting because they were afraid of radiating the PM while he was watching from the air.
He shouldn't have gone in the first place. He should have just let the experts do their jobs as quickly as humanly possible.
cstaylor wrote:Are you honestly saying that TEPCO did everything they should have done, before and during the accident?
cstaylor wrote:What do you mean by a local quake? Wasn't this one local enough?
FG Lurker wrote:It's easy to look at a particular disaster and pick holes in plans after the fact.
If they had mobile generators and the quake had fucked up the surrounding transportation network (rather than being a relatively distant quake that generated a huge tsunami) you'd be going on about how they should have had generators on-site. What if it was a local quake that also generated a huge tsunami? Would you be telling them they should have had generators ready to be moved by helicopter?
Armchair quarterbacking at its finest.
cstaylor wrote:Venting only reduces the pressure, but it doesn't prevent the core meltdown that we've been seeing.
Coligny wrote:You're saying that after the fact it was easy to prepare for a solution of this particular problem, implying that before the quake and tsunami this particular chain of event would not have been statistically significant to warrant the expense of planning for it.
FG Lurker wrote:Yes, exactly. The plants were erroneously designed to withstand up to an M7.9 quake and a tsunami of up to ~7m high in the early 1970's. When further research techniques emerged that showed their mistaken thinking, TEPCO refused to reconsider their original incorrect planning.
FG Lurker wrote:When you were more active on FG in the past you always struck me as a level-headed guy, not the panicky reactionary that seems to be posting now. I almost wonder if it's the same person (or maybe my memory is shot.)
FG Lurker wrote:Yes, exactly. The plants were designed to withstand up to an M7.9 quake and a tsunami of up to ~7m high. The quake was M9.0 (though obviously weaker at the plants due to distance). The size of the quake (~45x larger than thought possible) generated a tsunami 2x the size that the plants were designed for.
FG Lurker wrote:Melted cores are not a problem as long as the containment holds. People hear the term "meltdown" and instantly freak the hell out. Too much Hollywood.
I'm curious where your getting your local data from.cstaylor wrote:Background radiation has stayed at double the level when I am, and it's far, far worse up north in Ibaraki.
Doctor Stop wrote:http://park30.wakwak.com/~weather/geiger_index.html
cstaylor wrote:Here you go, straight from the Yokohama government: http://www.city.yokohama.lg.jp/kankyo/saigai/
The GM-45 I have installed next to my workstation also confirms those numbers. I'm seeing maximum counts per hour between 45~55 CPM.
For those in Tokyo, here's Denphone's geiger counter. The bottom graph has the more relevant data: http://www.denphone.com/denphone-tokyo-office-geiger-counter
Doctor Stop wrote:The levels in your area aren't anything to be worried about, CS.
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