12 dead in Paris shooting

[Wage Slave]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/11/fox-news-birmingham-islam_n_6452512.html?1421013985

https://twitter.com/search?src=hash&q=%23foxnewsfacts

[Russell]

:keyboardcoffee:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/11/fox-news-birmingham-islam_n_6452512.html?1421013985

https://twitter.com/search?src=hash&q=%23foxnewsfacts

I like this one:

Jam jars across Britain are becoming radicalised.

[kagemusha]

Iran's case is particularly clear: if there would not have been a US/UK-orchestrated coup in 1953, there would have been a democratic government rather than the Shah, and it would have been very unlikely that Khomeini would have come to power. Khomeini's rise was basically the forerunner of a more militant inflexible Islam. The rest is history.

As I said and agreed, in those years both west and east (USSR) played their puppets games all over the world, Central and South America, Africa and the Far East. Recommend you to read Hitchens' book about (Ass)Kissinger.
But still, there is not ONE excuse in the world to descend to such actions. Deliberately taking the life of a defenseless civilian is an inexcusable and stands against any value of a modern free liberal civilization. This is the basic stone required to build bridges of peace around the world, without it, it's all empty words and politics.

[dimwit]

Jam jars across Britain are becoming radicalised.

Did you say jam jars?

[Coligny]

Jam jars across Britain are becoming radicalised.

Did you say jam jars?

Saudiz in Audiz...

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[Coligny]

Perspectives...

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/got nothing...

[yanpa]

Well this will be fun...

Charlie Hebdo's latest edition to depict Prophet Muhammad

[wagyl]

Just a quick look back at the paradise that has been lost to the Islamic takeover.

[yanpa]

Just a quick look back at the paradise that has been lost to the Islamic takeover.

Presumably this is not actually Telly Savalas but his identical twin, who was kept isolated in a small mountain village until he was unleashed on the urban splendour which was 1970's Birmingham?

Anyway last time I smuggled myself through the place (safely ensconced inside a roomy hijab) I see the Islamists have started demolishing the Inner Ring Road and many other hideous concrete buildings featured in that video.

I wonder if that over 40's disco competition is still held?

[Mike Oxlong]

[kurogane]

Yeah, just saw that on The Google. Very cleverly done, very tasteful. I suppose part of the problem is that it is being done at all, but that's Their problem.

A+

[kagemusha]

Yeah, just saw that on The Google. Very cleverly done, very tasteful. I suppose part of the problem is that it is being done at all, but that's Their problem.

A+

A grate response, I hope it won't be the swan song of free speech Europe.

[matsuki]

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[Wage Slave]

Yeah, just saw that on The Google. Very cleverly done, very tasteful. I suppose part of the problem is that it is being done at all, but that's Their problem.

A+

A grate response, I hope it won't be the swan song of free speech Europe.

Fat chance.

[legion]

How do they know it's the prophet?

Nobody is allowed to depict him so how does anyone know what he's supposed to look like.

Maybe he was another nordic hero, like JC.

[Russell]

How do they know it's the prophet?

Nobody is allowed to depict him so how does anyone know what he's supposed to look like.

Maybe he was another nordic hero, like JC.

They use their imagination.

Because that's what many Muslims have plenty of...

[kagemusha]

Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam tells fellow Muslims who do not appreciate the 'freedoms' of living in the West to 'pack your bags and f*** off' on live TV

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2907941/Moroccan-born-mayor-Rotterdam-tells-fellow-Muslims-not-appreciate-freedoms-living-West-pack-bags-f-live-TV.html

[yanpa]

How do they know it's the prophet?

He's not the prophet, he's just a very naughty boy.

[wagyl]

How do they know it's the prophet?

He's not the prophet, he's just a very naughty boy.

MAHVMEDANES EVNT DOMVS

[Russell]

Iran's case is particularly clear: if there would not have been a US/UK-orchestrated coup in 1953, there would have been a democratic government rather than the Shah, and it would have been very unlikely that Khomeini would have come to power. Khomeini's rise was basically the forerunner of a more militant inflexible Islam. The rest is history.

As I said and agreed, in those years both west and east (USSR) played their puppets games all over the world, Central and South America, Africa and the Far East. Recommend you to read Hitchens' book about (Ass)Kissinger.
But still, there is not ONE excuse in the world to descend to such actions. Deliberately taking the life of a defenseless civilian is an inexcusable and stands against any value of a modern free liberal civilization. This is the basic stone required to build bridges of peace around the world, without it, it's all empty words and politics.

There is no disagreement about your statement that there is no excuse for taking defenseless civilian lives, and that our values of freedom and democracy (whatever is left of it) need to be vigorously defended.

Where I disagree is with your statement that the west's actions against a countable number of countries in the Middle-East is a thing of the past. Ever heard of Iraq? (the ironic part is that France was vehemently opposed to the US-led invasion there). And how about those drone attacks, which take a lot of civilian lives?

Regarding Hitchens, I am no fan of that alcoholic, and I don't need him to make up my mind. Anyway, the guy is not with us anymore, so nothing good about the dead...

[wangta]

Sadly the over-use of drones as normal has destroyed many innocent lives including in countries such as Pakistan which are nominally democracies and which people in western countries generally don't associate with wars in the Middle East or Central Asia (Afghanistan).

The Pakistanis have enough of terrorist violence in places such as Peshawar without our allies droning the very people they are trying 'to save'. Apparently. There is no doubt the whole Iraq adventurism that the west with one or two exceptions engaged in has led to a more dangerous world as has the endless engagement in Afghanistan. But Afghanistan has for around 2 centuries been a hotspot because of its strategic position at a vital crossroads in the world. It also has natural gas among its resources.

However, I can't buy the argument that we let in hundreds of thousands of Syrians now as well as many more Muslims from other countries because the ongoing conflicts in those regions of the world have been ongoing for centuries. Many conflicts in the Muslim world existed before westerners started fucking them more up by drawing artificial boundaries.

Mass movement of Muslims who would not qualify for visas under normal visa rules into western countries plays a big role in the issues of lack of integration and those of them working to subvert the host nations and cultures that allowed them in often with generous non contributory benefits. It's time for money to start going into the countries of origin and distributed by reliable power structures and organisations.

The whole asylum seeker industry has to be dismantled. Even the UN Refugee re-settlement programs have to switch their focus to doing things long term instead of sending people from 3rd world, lawless societies to be taken completely care of societies which too many of them have no respect for and don't want to engage with other than getting their benefits and housing and subsidised phones and free private schooling (Oz) etc.

Those Muslims most bitterly opposed to any integration in Australia and most demanding including the fuckity fucks who went off to fight in Syria etc are mostly the 2nd and 3rd generation children of asylum seekers. They have Oz passports but that's about all that connects them. I think you'll find the same over-representation of asylum seekers/refugees by legal channels exists in the case of the truly subversive type of Muslims in all western countries.

[Coligny]

PARIS IS NOW SAFE, THEY JAILED DIEUDONNE !!!

Who is a stand up comic...

Without any involvement whatsoever...

But at least they didn't shoot anyone this time... Yet...

/Bande de cons...

[Grumpy Gramps]

The brits all tail between legs hide underneath the sofa

The islamists have won, at least over the anglo-saxon world it seams (and I don't even care for these cartoons)

[Wage Slave]

Agreed, it's pretty piss poor but was it the Brits? Or was it that nice Mr Murdoch seeking to protect his commercial interests?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_News_Arabia

[Samurai_Jerk]

Agreed, it's pretty piss poor but was it the Brits? Or was it that nice Mr Murdoch seeking to protect his commercial interests?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_News_Arabia

I really hate to give Murdoch the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty reasonable to be worried about the physical security of your employees. It's very easy for us to say they should be brave and not let the terrorists win when we're not the ones sticking our necks out. Besides he's not necessarily the one exercising editorial control.

[Wage Slave]

Agreed, it's pretty piss poor but was it the Brits? Or was it that nice Mr Murdoch seeking to protect his commercial interests?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_News_Arabia

I really hate to give Murdoch the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty reasonable to be worried about the physical security of your employees. It's very easy for us to say they should be brave and not let the terrorists win when we're not the ones sticking our necks out. Besides he's not necessarily the one exercising editorial control.

Yep - arguably there is that. Actually, I don't see why anyone is surprised that a profit maximising company seeks to piss off the minimum number of people. It is not about principles and never was - It's about making money and the wider commercial interests of the proprietor. Alienating a large number of consumers (1.5 billion in this case) is just not what a smart company does.

Hence, I always see a need for public broadcasters like the BBC - in theory at least. Did they decide to publish it or not?

[yanpa]

Agreed, it's pretty piss poor but was it the Brits? Or was it that nice Mr Murdoch seeking to protect his commercial interests?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_News_Arabia

I really hate to give Murdoch the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty reasonable to be worried about the physical security of your employees. It's very easy for us to say they should be brave and not let the terrorists win when we're not the ones sticking our necks out. Besides he's not necessarily the one exercising editorial control.

Yep - arguably there is that. Actually, I don't see why anyone is surprised that a profit maximising company seeks to piss off the minimum number of people. It is not about principles and never was - It's about making money and the wider commercial interests of the proprietor. Alienating a large number of consumers (1.5 billion in this case) is just not what a smart company does.

Hence, I always see a need for public broadcasters like the BBC - in theory at least. Did they decide to publish it or not?

yes

[Coligny]

[kagemusha]

There is no disagreement about your statement that there is no excuse for taking defenseless civilian lives, and that our values of freedom and democracy (whatever is left of it) need to be vigorously defended.

That was the central point of my argument throughout this thread. The world is full of shades of grey, there are no complete angels or ultimate villains in most historical conflicts - the line in the sand is when someone calls for the annihilation of another group of people or a rival culture. In the modern age 3 groups have done that the Nazis in 1935, the Hutu in the 90's and now the right wing of Islam. This is a fight every liberal and humanist must fight for the sake of human race. You can never excuse extreme fascism by wrongdoing in the past.

Where I disagree is with your statement that the west's actions against a countable number of countries in the Middle-East is a thing of the past. Ever heard of Iraq? (the ironic part is that France was vehemently opposed to the US-led invasion there). And how about those drone attacks, which take a lot of civilian lives?

I never said it is a thing of the past and I think the world could have been a better place if the joke called the U.N. had actually managed to protect the developing world from the U.S., Russia and Europe. (the Europeans are still sucking dry whole regions in Africa to this day but they do it without the dumb attitude of the Americans, the brutality of the Russians and always through a third party).
What I said is that, first - again you can never excuse a fascist murderous mentality by a CIA supported coup 60 years ago.
Another point is that behind the those very common campus slogans about the fault of the west and all that jazz there is a lot of ignorance regarding the Arab/Muslim world. The big difference between a free liberal country and a fascist country is how they use chances in their history. You can think yourself of some countries which suffer not less than Iran or other Muslim countries but manged improve the condition of their citizens by evolving into democracies. However, in the Muslim world there is a strong wave of self regression, the Whaabies ans Salafi (the two strongest movements in Sunna Islam today) reject any modernity, call their people to live life as in 660 B.C and reject violently any idea of liberalism or democracy. So for a naive western young student who watch on T.V. a man lives in an appalling conditions somewhere in the Middle East it's easy to sell the 'victims of the west' story but the truce is that every time they had a chance to chose modernity and liberalism the turn exactly to the opposite side. Just look at the 'Arab Spring' initiated by mostly secular young groups turning into a stone age chaos of brutality.
At some point a man has to take responsibility for his life and actions.

Regarding Hitchens, I am no fan of that alcoholic, and I don't need him to make up my mind. Anyway, the guy is not with us anymore, so nothing good about the dead...

I am not a fan of Hitchens but of facts. That book was an eye opener for me. A man gets the Nobel Peace prize for a war he tried hard to prolong...

And as we speak, another attack in Paris. I'm sure it's because something Nethanyahu said, or not...

[Coligny]

Zee daily show ab00t the current french clusterfuck...

http://media.mtvnservices.com/embed/mgi ... 7abd7e167f