12 dead in Paris shooting

[Coligny]

Too busy playing spooks to be real spooks...

http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle- ... is-attacks

Seems to be characteristic of the current trend of people who want the title but not the duty...

[Russell]

Moroccan-born man jailed on terror charges to lose French nationality

France can strip a French-Moroccan man convicted of terrorism-related crimes of his French nationality, the country’s constitutional council has ruled.

The authority, whose 12 members are known as les sages (the wise), declared on Friday that the fight against terrorism justified what lawyers lambasted as unequal treatment of those who become French compared with those who are born French.

France is currently dealing with the causes and consequences of a series of terrorist attacks that began when gunmen killed 12 people at the offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo just over two weeks ago.

The council had been asked to rule on the case of Ahmed Sahnouni, a Moroccan-born man naturalised in 2003, who was convicted and given a seven-year prison sentence in March 2013 for “association with criminals in relation to a terrorist plot”.

Due for release at the end of 2015, Sahnouni was stripped of his French nationality last May by a decree signed by the prime minister, Manuel Valls, and the interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, but he contested the punishment.

The council’s decision will set a legal precedent for future cases.

Earlier this week, Valls said the removal of a person’s nationality “is a legitimate question that arises regarding the consequences to which a person exposes themselves when they decide to attack the nation to which they belong because they were born there or have been accepted there”.

Stripping convicted prisoners of their nationality is a threat that has been made by the far-right Front National party, and the opposition rightwing UMP party, but has been used in only eight cases since 1973.

The punishment can be applied only in rare cases concerning those holding dual nationality, having acquired French citizenship, who have been convicted of “a crime or offence constituting an act of terrorism” either before they became French or within 15 years of being naturalised.

Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.

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[Coligny]

Vals is one of the most rotten piece of shit in power in the Hexagone these days...

I aternate between his pic and Sarkozy for 360 noscope target practice...
(scenario 476b: the country has been taken over by shapeshifting reptilian politishiunz, your misshiun objective is to noscope them before they lay eggs...)

[Yokohammer]

Moroccan-born man jailed on terror charges to lose French nationality

...Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.

I noticed this fascinating bit of news earlier, and my first thought was not so much how much of a precedent it would set for France, but for other countries such as, oh, I dunno, Japan? Maybe even the US? Could naturalisation become just another super-visa?

Once the precedent is set, we could start seeing citizenship revoked for a whole spectrum of not-so-serious reasons.

[Russell]

Moroccan-born man jailed on terror charges to lose French nationality

...Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.

I noticed this fascinating bit of news earlier, and my first thought was not so much how much of a precedent it would set for France, but for other countries such as, oh, I dunno, Japan? Maybe even the US? Could naturalisation become just another super-visa?

Once the precedent is set, we could start seeing citizenship revoked for a whole spectrum of not-so-serious reasons.

I think the point here is that for people with double nationality they can loose one in certain circumstances. People with only one nationality would become stateless in this case, and this is frowned upon by the international community.

I remember that 30 or 40 years ago in the Netherlands one could loose his nationality after joining the French Foreign Legion, but this gave rise to too many people becoming stateless.

Since Japan only allows one nationality for people who naturalize, it will be much more difficult to take away that nationality afterwards.

So, it works two ways. If you have a double nationality, you have certain advantages, but the disadvantage is that you would be able to loose one under the above circumstances. This argument should also be made in the French case, in my opinion, since the discrimination the lawyer speaks of is offset by the advantages that French-Moroccan man had due to his double nationality.

[Yokohammer]

Moroccan-born man jailed on terror charges to lose French nationality

...Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.

I noticed this fascinating bit of news earlier, and my first thought was not so much how much of a precedent it would set for France, but for other countries such as, oh, I dunno, Japan? Maybe even the US? Could naturalisation become just another super-visa?

Once the precedent is set, we could start seeing citizenship revoked for a whole spectrum of not-so-serious reasons.

I think the point here is that for people with double nationality they can loose one in certain circumstances. People with only one nationality would become stateless in this case, and this is frowned upon by the international community.

I remember that 30 or 40 years ago in the Netherlands one could loose his nationality after joining the French Foreign Legion, but this gave rise to too many people becoming stateless.

Since Japan only allows one nationality for people who naturalize, it will be much more difficult to take away that nationality afterwards.

So, it works two ways. If you have a double nationality, you have certain advantages, but the disadvantage is that you would be able to loose one under the above circumstances. This argument should also be made in the French case, in my opinion, since the discrimination the lawyer speaks of is offset by the advantages that French-Moroccan man had due to his double nationality.

Oh OK, I missed the part abut him having dual nationality. Makes sense.

[Russell]

By Moroccan law, a citizen cannot loose his/her nationality.

So, if he would assume Japanese nationality, he/she would be unable to give up his/her old one, whatever Japan's rules and laws. I think in this case Japan will recognize double nationality, as any country would, though Wikipedia is less clear about that.

A person having a dual nationality does not lose Moroccan nationality. However, that can create problems for people who also have nationality of countries that do not allow their nationals to have multiple citizenship. Two cases are Japan (Japanese nationality law) and South Korea (South Korean nationality law). Unlike Morocco, South Korea and Japan do not allow their nationals to keep multiple citizenships in their adult years.

[Coligny]

Sahnouni’s lawyer, Nurettin Meseci, argued before the council that the removing of his French nationality was discriminatory and created an “inequality between those who are French-born and those who are French-naturalised”.

Might have to dig for better precision, but... The older Napoleon Code warranted the death penalty for traitor and conspirator against the state (ok, it's crime against the safety of the state: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ ... _in_France) So when the law of retrieval of the dualled citizenship was written it might have been a lesser evil...

[Coligny]

That's just great...

The jail that turns criminals into hardcore radicals

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the ... ar-AA8HuGU

[Russell]

That's just great...

The jail that turns criminals into hardcore radicals

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the ... ar-AA8HuGU

Time to dust off the guillotine...

[Samurai_Jerk]

One dead, three police hurt in shooting at Copenhagen Islam debate

A gunman killed at least one person and wounded three police officers after opening fire Saturday on a cultural centre in Copenhagen as it was hosting a debate on Islam and free speech.

Swedish artist Lars Vilks -- the author of controversial Prophet Mohammed cartoons that sparked worldwide protests in 2007 -- was among those at the debate targeted by the gunman, who fled the scene after a shootout with police.

[Samurai_Jerk]

They got him.

Police kill man believed behind 2 shootings in Copenhagen

Danish police shot and killed a man early Sunday suspected of carrying out shooting attacks at a free speech event and then at a Copenhagen synagogue, killing two men, including a member of Denmark's Jewish community. Five police officers were also wounded in the attacks.

[Coligny]

Freedom of speech...

This posted on the facebook page of a french right wing politician:

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Got her 9 month in jail firm...

[Russell]

Freedom of speech...

This posted on the facebook page of a french right wing politician:

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Got her 9 month in jail firm...

Jail term for whom?

For the monkey?

(sorry, I'm a bad boy, but couldn't resist)

[Coligny]

"In 'Murica we shoot back"

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/05/ ... hoot-back/

The sad day I agreed with foxnews...

[matsuki]

"In 'Murica we shoot back"

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/05/ ... hoot-back/

The sad day I agreed with foxnews...

More like "It's Texas...fucking gun newbs."

[Salty]

But they do not have a constitutional right to gun down those who might say or write or draw something that disparages the Prophet Muhammad.

But they don`t need a constitutional right to gun down those who might say or write or draw something that disparages the Prophet Muhammad. – just so long as they are willing to give their lives in the process. In this case their wish was fulfilled.

[Coligny]

Welcome canada to the certified retard club...

Eat your bacon while it's still allowed and not considered a hate crime too...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Welcome canada to the certified retard club...

Eat your bacon while it's still allowed and not considered a hate crime too...

This is nothing new. Canada has been chipping away at their free speech for a long time.

[matsuki]

Eat your bacon while it's still allowed and not considered a hate crime too...

If you saw what they call bacon there, you'd know it's already a crime

[Russell]

Brilliant speech by an ex-Moslem...

No, she's not family of Jörg Haider...

[Coligny]

So, after the clowns unable to keep their religious beliefs for themselves, we now also have to deal with the attention whores unable to keep their newly decided absence of religious beliefs for themselves...

[Russell]

So, after the clowns unable to keep their religious beliefs for themselves, we now also have to deal with the attention whores unable to keep their newly decided absence of religious beliefs for themselves...

Your post comes 13 minutes after mine, which is much less than the length of the speech.

Not watching the video and still commenting on it: how untellectual...

And she has a point.

[Coligny]

So, after the clowns unable to keep their religious beliefs for themselves, we now also have to deal with the attention whores unable to keep their newly decided absence of religious beliefs for themselves...

Your post comes 13 minutes after mine, which is much less than the length of the speech.

Not watching the video and still commenting on it: how untellectual...

And she has a point.

in a made up crusade fighting the uncoolest belief to date having a point is not that hard.

I think She expose her position clearly enough at the start of her speech. I don't need to go through 20 minutes of bullshit rationalization. Especially knowing how prolific these people can be,hell Alex Jones got a whole channel as his own shoutbox... The "look at me I'm a muslim" tshirt stinks as much as "look at me I'm no longer a muslim" it equally bores my godless mind. If you need to id yourself to what you believe in or what you fight to say you no longer believe in you are in the same jail.
If you don't believe in something... Then why should you make it your crusade... And why should I care about it.
It's the same as with gay and lesbian. Do whatever the fuck you want... If you start to parade around "look at me i'm gay" don't ask me to care or enjoy your company more than jeovah witness trying to sell their shit...
In fact her bullshit is on level with anti pornography advocates. People that want to make a sanctified crusade out of something other enjoy or choose to follow.
If your daily job title is being anti something... You're not far from cops on power trip just wishing you had a badge.
Look at peta, same madness... You know what they are against (highlighting the -problem- part)... But when you look at the solution part... You run for the hills.
Look at the "anti car" policies in city who usually focus more on making the streets undriveable rather than working on a true replacement solution.
Look at all the previous anti nuclear movement 70' early 80'). They were not selling alternatives energy sources, just promoting shitting in buckets and living with goats.


Your anti muslim post in a thread started by terrorist murder from radical islamist is complete bullshit.
You want to highlighht real issues, go there:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31129398

As of now the anti muslim bullshit is as sickening as the antisemite crap of the late 30'

[Russell]

Her point is that she wants to defend values of freedom of expression and religion.

And she does so eloquently.

The shocking thing she points out is that some of those left-wing liberals who are first in line to condemn Christian right wing "philosophy" suddenly become very silent when the topic turns to Islam because they do not want to be (falsely) accused of being racists. Your attitude reeks of the same...

[Samurai_Jerk]

in a made up crusade fighting the uncoolest belief to date having a point is not that hard.

I think She expose her position clearly enough at the start of her speech. I don't need to go through 20 minutes of bullshit rationalization. Especially knowing how prolific these people can be,hell Alex Jones got a whole channel as his own shoutbox... The "look at me I'm a muslim" tshirt stinks as much as "look at me I'm no longer a muslim" it equally bores my godless mind. If you need to id yourself to what you believe in or what you fight to say you no longer believe in you are in the same jail.
If you don't believe in something... Then why should you make it your crusade... And why should I care about it.
It's the same as with gay and lesbian. Do whatever the fuck you want... If you start to parade around "look at me i'm gay" don't ask me to care or enjoy your company more than jeovah witness trying to sell their shit...
In fact her bullshit is on level with anti pornography advocates. People that want to make a sanctified crusade out of something other enjoy or choose to follow.
If your daily job title is being anti something... You're not far from cops on power trip just wishing you had a badge.
Look at peta, same madness... You know what they are against (highlighting the -problem- part)... But when you look at the solution part... You run for the hills.
Look at the "anti car" policies in city who usually focus more on making the streets undriveable rather than working on a true replacement solution.
Look at all the previous anti nuclear movement 70' early 80'). They were not selling alternatives energy sources, just promoting shitting in buckets and living with goats.


Your anti muslim post in a thread started by terrorist murder from radical islamist is complete bullshit.
You want to highlighht real issues, go there:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31129398

As of now the anti muslim bullshit is as sickening as the antisemite crap of the late 30'

I didn't watch the video so I'm not commenting on what she said specifically. However, if you've left a religion and feel there's something wrong with it, it makes plenty of sense to criticize it. I'm not talking about ridiculing people's belief in a "sky daddy" or debates about whether or not God exists which is like debating whether or not my favorite color is blue. I'm talking about things like attitudes towards homosexuals in the Evangelical church, the poor treatment of women by Ultra Orthodox Jews, and belief in violent jihad by radical Muslims.

I too get bored of the so-called New Atheists and their evangelism. I really don't care what someone's religion is as long as his or her politics are secular. As I'm sure you're aware though, the influence of religion on politics is a big problem where I come from. So I get why some people are getting sick of the bullshit and becoming evangelical in their secularism. And it seems to be working. The religious right is still strong but their power is waning.

How many people in Europe and the US were killed in the name of radical Judaism and Halakhah in the 30's?

[kurogane]

I would even go for "as long as your religion and politics are kept private" rather than secular, but yeah to the rest of that. I thoroughly despise the religious fanatacism of the Dawkinsite Bible Bashers. Aunty Thesis is merely reactive, which results in an incomplete dialectic transformation, Captain.

[Russell]

I would even go for "as long as your religion and politics are kept private" rather than secular, but yeah to the rest of that. I thoroughly despise the religious fanatacism of the Dawkinsite Bible Bashers. Aunty Thesis is merely reactive, which results in an incomplete dialectic transformation, Captain.

I am not a fan of Dawkin's anti-religious activism either, but this speech appealed very much to me.

Maybe that is because in about half the Islamic countries abandoning your Islamic belief is punishable by death. So, it is not just a religious issue, it is a human rights issue.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I would even go for "as long as your religion and politics are kept private" rather than secular, but yeah to the rest of that. I thoroughly despise the religious fanatacism of the Dawkinsite Bible Bashers. Aunty Thesis is merely reactive, which results in an incomplete dialectic transformation, Captain.

It's hard for politicians to keep their politics private. I was thinking more along the lines of the constant invoking of God, Jesus, and the Bible in American politics. Obviously your religious beliefs will inform your opinion on certain issues but it should never be your argument.

[Russell]

2 U.S. soldiers subdue gunman on Paris-bound train

A young Moroccan armed with a Kalashnikov and a knife opened fire in a high-speed train traveling from Amsterdam to Paris Friday, injuring three people -- including two American soldiers who subdued him, according to French media reports

[...]

The French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade also reportedly injured his hand when he broke a glass to pull an alarm.

The 26-year-old suspect was arrested after the train stopped in Arras, 115 miles north of Paris, Interior Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henri Brandet said on French television BFM.

The Prefect of Pas-de-Calais, Fabienne Buccio, said the suspect should be regarded as a terrorist, according to La Voix du Nord.

The French newspaper La Voix du Nord reports that the gunman was overpowered by passengers, including the two soldiers. The newspaper said the pair heard the man loading the automatic weapon in a bathroom on the train and overpowered the gunman before he could open fire inside the main train cars.

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