12 dead in Paris shooting

[kagemusha]

Just wondering if this might be retribution for Jihadi John. The timing is certainly right, but no responsibility claims yet. Wrong country though. We'll know soon enough.

~ Tapatalking ~

No, it takes more time than just a few days to execute a combined operation like this one. You need cells that collect intel for a few months and I guess you get you cheap suicidal meat within the 'poor refugees' wave - but we'll see about that one. Anyway, it's a sad day and more than sad, it is frustrating since the writing was on the wall for ages written in blood but the EU leaders pretended to believe that the appeasing policy will save their ass.

[Yokohammer]

Just wondering if this might be retribution for Jihadi John. The timing is certainly right, but no responsibility claims yet. Wrong country though. We'll know soon enough.

~ Tapatalking ~

No, it takes more time than just a few days to execute a combined operation like this one. You need cells that collect intel for a few months and I guess you get you cheap suicidal meat within the 'poor refugees' wave - but we'll see about that one. Anyway, it's a sad day and more than sad, it is frustrating since the writing was on the wall for ages written in blood but the EU leaders pretended to believe that the appeasing policy will save their ass.

I get that, but there's also a chance that they pulled the trigger on a planned operation at this point in time for that reason.

Sad, frustrating, and infuriating. These c*nts make my blood boil.


~ Tapatalking ~

[Russell]

Dutch media report that about 140 people were killed in Paris, of which 100 in a theater.

Looks like they are trying to convert people to Islam.

[wagyl]

Dutch media report that about 140 people were killed in Paris, of which 100 in a theater.

Looks like they are trying to convert people to Islam.

Why do you say that? What have you seen that links this with Islam? How do I know it is not misdirected Fryske Nasjonale Partij members in a violent protest?

[Cyka UchuuJin]

sadly the death toll is much higher now. 100 in that theater alone.

[kagemusha]

Dutch media report that about 140 people were killed in Paris, of which 100 in a theater.

Looks like they are trying to convert people to Islam.

Why do you say that? What have you seen that links this with Islam? How do I know it is not misdirected Fryske Nasjonale Partij members in a violent protest?

Sure, it might even be some disgruntled rugby fans angry for losing in the world cup.

[chibaka]

Borders getting locked down again, so much for Shengen eh? Why is Paris targeted again? Expecting this in the UK, then lets see what happens to border control there. Sad, just sad.

[wagyl]

Dutch media report that about 140 people were killed in Paris, of which 100 in a theater.

Looks like they are trying to convert people to Islam.

Why do you say that? What have you seen that links this with Islam? How do I know it is not misdirected Fryske Nasjonale Partij members in a violent protest?

Sure, it might even be some disgruntled rugby fans angry for losing in the world cup.

Well what I am saying is guessing the faith of the perpetrators without any information to back it up -- the only link here does not include mention of Islam -- is prejudice of the highest order. It is actions like that which lead to the persecution of the Koreans after the Great Kanto Earthquake. And indeed of naked Canadians after the Mt Kinabalu Earthquake.

[Wage Slave]

-- the only link here does not include mention of Islam --

Actually that's not true:

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[chibaka]

Why do you say that? What have you seen that links this with Islam? How do I know it is not misdirected Fryske Nasjonale Partij members in a violent protest?

There are some witness reports.... allegedly

http://news.yahoo.com/attacker-paris-co ... 58169.html

[wagyl]

-- the only link here does not include mention of Islam --

Actually that's not true:

Thank you for that correction, and once again illustrating to me the dangers of "text as part of a graphic" which are not found by a search. Especially as the official reports were so studiously not mentioning who was responsible.

[Russell]

Dutch media report that about 140 people were killed in Paris, of which 100 in a theater.

Looks like they are trying to convert people to Islam.

Why do you say that? What have you seen that links this with Islam? How do I know it is not misdirected Fryske Nasjonale Partij members in a violent protest?

Because there are multiple witness reports of shooters shouting Alahu Akhbar.

I don't have seen too many members of the Fryske Nasjonale Partij uttering that kind of phrases.

Note my sarcastic tone in my post. These people are undoubtedly convinced that they are supporting their religion, even though their actions paint all Muslims in a bad light.

So, that is the reason why I said that.

[Wage Slave]

No need for a search. Just go the the linked page under discussion, and scroll down/click "more" till you get to the post timestamped 23:47.

In fact that is the only reference to Islamic terrorism anywhere as yet - I agree that proper caution should be exercised. However, if I were a betting man then history, motive and modus operandi do point in that direction.

[wagyl]

No need for a search. Just go the the linked page under discussion, and scroll down/click "more" till you get to the post timestamped 23:47.

In fact that is the only reference to Islamic terrorism anywhere as yet - I agree that proper caution should be exercised. However, if I were a betting man then history, motive and modus operandi do point in that direction.

Indeed, at the time I checked the page that graphic of a tweet was displayed on the page without having to click more. Even though it did not catch my eye, the photo below it of the army in the streets did. However, a search of the text in that page did not bring up the usual suspects of "Islam" or "Muslim," and in fact still doesn't. Nor "Allah," for that matter. As I say, the danger of searching by machine when words are included as a graphic, rather than as text.

Maybe you are underestimating the fury of the Frisians, downtrodden for so long

[kurogane]

It is actions like that which lead to the persecution of the Koreans after the Great Kanto Earthquake. And indeed of naked Canadians after the Mt Kinabalu Earthquake.

While I applaud your stubborn adherence to principles of fairness and legal propriety, and of your first example there, let us remember that in the latter case they were guilty as charged according to reputable news reports and Wikipedia, which are always true, as you well know.
Naked Canadian tourists, other foreigners blamed for earthquake on Mount Kinabalu

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/naked-canad ... -1.2412765

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Saba ... uake#Cause

Interesting coincidence there in the name of the "mountain protectors" being Aki. Perhaps it was a case of pride coming before a fall?

PS all early reports of Paris mentioned the attackers were yelling about the Snackbar.

[Russell]

No need for a search. Just go the the linked page under discussion, and scroll down/click "more" till you get to the post timestamped 23:47.

In fact that is the only reference to Islamic terrorism anywhere as yet - I agree that proper caution should be exercised. However, if I were a betting man then history, motive and modus operandi do point in that direction.

Indeed, at the time I checked the page that graphic of a tweet was displayed on the page without having to click more. Even though it did not catch my eye, the photo below it of the army in the streets did. However, a search of the text in that page did not bring up the usual suspects of "Islam" or "Muslim," and in fact still doesn't. Nor "Allah," for that matter. As I say, the danger of searching by machine when words are included as a graphic, rather than as text.

Maybe you are underestimating the fury of the Frisians, downtrodden for so long

For sure don't underestimate the fury of the Frisians, but in this case google didn't provide the links yet about the shouted phrases that were already widely reported in the Dutch, British, and U.S. media.

[Russell]

Hollande going W.

French president: 'We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless'

This is a terrible ordeal which once again assails us. We know where it comes from, who these criminals are, who these terrorists are.

Frysians, here comes Hollande! We are all French!!!

Fortunately, there are still sane souls.

[Yokohammer]

Well, there goes Paris as a favored tourist destination, which I assume is part of the plan.


~ Tapatalking ~

[wagyl]

Well, there goes Paris as a favored tourist destination, which I assume is part of the plan.

I had some guests from Metz (Lorraine) earlier this year. They asked why foreign people like to travel to Paris, when it is so dirty and smelly. I couldn't disagree.

[Yokohammer]

Well, there goes Paris as a favored tourist destination, which I assume is part of the plan.

I had some guests from Metz (Lorraine) earlier this year. They asked why foreign people like to travel to Paris, when it is so dirty and smelly. I couldn't disagree.

History, art, and culture would be my guess. Which, of course, the folk who live there are surrounded by all the time and therefore don't notice. I can put up with a little grunge and odor for that, but if there's a chance I'll get my head blown off I'll probably pick a more carefree destination.


~ Tapatalking ~

[Takechanpoo]

you guys should think are happy to be here in japan. today is peaceful day as always. as long as you live in this island, no gunrumpage.
all you have to endure here in japan is passive-aggressive perverts.(and in case of you gaijin dudes, plus starings like peeping into a bathroom)

france itself is overrated. while i cannot help but respect UK and germany however they look down on us japanese, france is a first-class poser or bluffer being good at behaving plausibly.(im now talking while shutting my eyes to japan) its nothing more than one of good nations in the history, along with italy and spain.

[Wage Slave]

Well, there goes Paris as a favored tourist destination, which I assume is part of the plan.

I had some guests from Metz (Lorraine) earlier this year. They asked why foreign people like to travel to Paris, when it is so dirty and smelly. I couldn't disagree.

History, art, and culture would be my guess. Which, of course, the folk who live there are surrounded by all the time and therefore don't notice. I can put up with a little grunge and odor for that, but if there's a chance I'll get my head blown off I'll probably pick a more carefree destination.


~ Tapatalking ~

And beauty of course, and good food, and just the vibe. I had a great time, every time. And as big cities go it isn't that dirty or smelly. The traffic is nightmarish though - oh la la.

[Wage Slave]

you guys should think are happy to be here in japan. today is peaceful day as always. as long as you live in this island, no gunrumpage.
all you have to endure here in japan is passive-aggressive perverts.(and in case of you gaijin dudes, plus starings like peeping into a bathroom)

france itself is overrated. while i cannot help but respect UK and germany however they look down on us japanese, france is a first-class poser or bluffer being good at behaving plausibly.(im now talking while shutting my eyes to japan) its nothing more than one of good nations in the history, along with italy and spain.

We don't look down on Japanese people Tacky - even in private. I promise. We might take the piss from time to time but we do that with everyone, most of all ourselves. A glance at British comedy will confirm that.

[wagyl]

I can put up with a little grunge and odor for that, but if there's a chance I'll get my head blown off I'll probably pick a more carefree destination.

Humans are very poor at risk assessment. It is amazing that you go out your front door and walk down the street, when you look at pedestrian fatality statistics and compare them to terror fatalities.

Changing topic a little:

you guys should think are happy to be here in japan. today is peaceful day as always. as long as you live in this island, no gunrumpage.
all you have to endure here in japan is passive-aggressive perverts.

Ah yes, I remember. At least you didn't have to import it from low wage regions of the world, you made your terror yourself. Even had an export market in the past.


And I suppose that that links back to my first concern today. The common factor in all these event is Fanaticism, rather than any particular faith. I think that this skewing of blame to a broader group than are actually responsible is one of the larger issues here.

[Yokohammer]

I can put up with a little grunge and odor for that, but if there's a chance I'll get my head blown off I'll probably pick a more carefree destination.

Humans are very poor at risk assessment. It is amazing that you go out your front door and walk down the street, when you look at pedestrian fatality statistics and compare them to terror fatalities.

Letting your usual statistical rigor slip a bit there, Waggy. You're comparing pedestrian fatalities, which occur everywhere all the time, to a much more localized and limited phenomenon.

Anyway, the point was that Hollande has declared that he will "lead a war that will be pitiless," which is not likely to be good for local tourism.


~ Tapatalking ~

[wagyl]

Not really worth that much of a threadjack, and not directed personally at Yokohammer but at poor risk assessment by everyone, including me, but if you like you can look at pedestrian fatalities in just Paris over the last year if you wish, and compare them to terrorism fatalities in Paris this year: you get a two-for-one with Charlie Hebdo included, and then ask yourself whether the risk of a nasty accident in Paris has increased significantly. I suppose it all depends how much you do or don't want to stand in a crowd trying to see the Mona Lisa, whether this tips the balance, which is, after all, the gist of your post.

[kagemusha]

Dutch media report that about 140 people were killed in Paris, of which 100 in a theater.

Looks like they are trying to convert people to Islam.

Why do you say that? What have you seen that links this with Islam? How do I know it is not misdirected Fryske Nasjonale Partij members in a violent protest?

Sure, it might even be some disgruntled rugby fans angry for losing in the world cup.

Well what I am saying is guessing the faith of the perpetrators without any information to back it up -- the only link here does not include mention of Islam -- is prejudice of the highest order. It is actions like that which lead to the persecution of the Koreans after the Great Kanto Earthquake. And indeed of naked Canadians after the Mt Kinabalu Earthquake.

Oh, it's the holy PC again, I see. Still I think there is a huge difference between addressing the POLITICAL/CULTURAL problem in the Arab/Muslim world that affects the whole world these days and the stupid act of persecuting innocence people just for believing in Allah. Some can make the differentiation some can't and we are not supposed to lower our mental bar just because some ignorant fuckers might take it further.
After the previous attack I said here that it was only the beginning for western Europe and someone thought I was a warmonger. If you take your head out of the sand you understand that this is going to be the constant reality in Europe in the coming years where fascist on one side and radical Muslims on the other fueling each other and grow in power. I feel for the security forces in Germany, England and France but it's something that their leadership has been brewing for years, too late to make it all disappear.

[Wage Slave]

Not really worth that much of a threadjack, and not directed personally at Yokohammer but at poor risk assessment by everyone, including me, but if you like you can look at pedestrian fatalities in just Paris over the last year if you wish, and compare them to terrorism fatalities in Paris this year: you get a two-for-one with Charlie Hebdo included, and then ask yourself whether the risk of a nasty accident in Paris has increased significantly. I suppose it all depends how much you do or don't want to stand in a crowd trying to see the Mona Lisa, whether this tips the balance.

Told you about that traffic. And drivers in Paris regard pedestrian crossings as more a challenge to their honour than a place where pedestrians have priority. You make a good point - Add in assaults, fire related accidents, crockery incidents and all the rest and it's true. If you want to visit Paris you should just go ahead and do it. This shouldn't change anything.

A very underwhelming little picture that one and as you say there is a permanent uncivilised scrum of halfwits gathered in front of it. However, the gallery that houses it is without question a veritable treasure trove and easily big enough to swallow the hordes.

The bestest I have ever seen is not that though it's The Prado late on a Sunday. No halfwits, not too big, that relaxed Spanish normality and some truly moving art. Goya is most definitely my thing.

[Mike Oxlong]

sadly the death toll is much higher now. 100 in that theater alone.

IIUC, the theatre was a concert hall, featuring a show by The Eagles of Death Metal, an American rock band. Not sure if they were going for some sort of symbolism with that target.

[Tsuru]

All targets are hotspots for fashionable, young and progressive people. It is an attack on our way of life, on our open society and on having fun.
So far, no word yet from esteemed religious leaders to dismiss these attacks and the attackers as unislamic. Also, I look forward to the reports from schools in majority immigrant districts where moments of silence will not be held on monday because most kids there will say "what's the point, they were all kaffir anyway"

I had an inkling we had a problem when there were people here in Holland who were cheering in the streets right after 9/11. Now I know for sure. This won't end until Paris and other major European cities become like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, with checkpoints and conscripts patrolling the streets, ready to shoot on sight.