HPV Vaccine Data From Scotland - 90% fall in Cervical Cancer

[Wage Slave]

This vaccine is offered to girls here as well at about 13 years old and Japan being pretty sensible when it comes to vaccines the take up rates is pretty good. My daughter had it and I remember at the time an American on one of the forums here accusing me of being a bad father allowing this "witch's brew" to be given to her. The anti Vacc people really hated this one because it was connected with sexual activity so it felt doubly wrong to them. Meanwhile, I see that measles is now a major public health problem in some areas of unvaccinated USA.

The routine vaccination of girls with the HPV vaccine in Scotland has led to a "dramatic" drop in cervical disease in later life, new research suggests.

Human papilomavirus (HPV) is a sexually transmitted infection and some types are linked to cervical cancer.

Researchers said the vaccine has nearly wiped out cases of cervical pre-cancer in young women since an immunisation programme was introduced 10 years ago.

They found the vaccine had led to a 90% cut in pre-cancerous cells.

And they said the effects of the programme had "exceeded expectations".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-47803975

[matsuki]

The anti Vacc people really hated this one because it was connected with sexual activity so it felt doubly wrong to them. Meanwhile, I see that measles is now a major public health problem in some areas of unvaccinated USA.

....and now those nutjobs are trying to sue because their unvaccinated children in being denied access to public areas where the outbreaks are. I am totally for preventing unvaccinated kids at schools and such (within reason, "unless they had medical reasons for forgoing the vaccine")

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/rocklan ... easles.php

[Grumpy Gramps]

Funny how times change. When I was little and there was some kid in the area who got one of those "childrens' diseases" like measles, mumps, rubella etc, the parents would make "measles parties" and have their kids play with the sick one. So all the other kids got it too and sometimes the whole school was almost empty.

They said, once you've had it, you're immune and if you have it while you're a child, it is not dangerous. Of course, we were vaccinated against polio etc, there were no anti-vaxxers that I know of in those days.

Even as an adult, when I went to a new doctor, they would ask, if I had my chinldrens' sicknesses and which. I told them the ones that I caould remember and they said "OK, fine" and that was that.

So now I feel a little weird about all of that. For me, measles in a child was always just a few days in bed with a funny looking face and I don't know, whether this measles hype now has a good reason or not. I think, though, measles in adults is a whole different story and they need to be vaccinated, if they didn't have it as a child.

And those anti-vaxxers, some of them don't even vaccinate their animals

[Wage Slave]

Yeah my memories are similar. Measles was just another normal childhood disease to be collected. However, what we didn't see was the small minority of children with complications from measles which can be fatal. And anyway, which is better? Having measles or having a vaccination? I know which I would prefer given a choice.

My impression of the anti vacc people is that they just don't really believe that their child will catch these diseases. They are just an invention of the drug companies to sell vaccines.

[Grumpy Gramps]

I think that pharmaceuticals do influence things in order to optimize their profits. Like once you're a little older, it does not really hurt to have a bit of an elevated blood pressure. But nowadays they (doctors) try to put you on meds just to get you on 120/80. No-one profits from that except the pharmaceuticals.

Also they fight hard against alternative medicine like accupuncture and the like. Yes, thee is no scientific proof that it works, but science (sponsored by pharmaceuticals) is not interested in proving that their competition might have a point/success here and there, while doctors are not "healing" anything (apart from broken bones, but they would heal by themselves anyway). So science/vs natural methods starts to be "religious". And there the anti-vaxxers definitely have the upper hand

Americans have invented the reservations for the native Americans, why not make reservations for anti-vaxxers? 200 years later, we might have enough statistical data to "proof" who is right. I wonder, whether the pharmaceuticals would agree or not to something like that.

[Mike Oxlong]

Same deal with statins. Yeah, I know, what wingnut would say that?
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/e ... eytype=ref
The truth is out there.

[Russell]

Same deal with statins. Yeah, I know, what wingnut would say that?
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/e ... eytype=ref
The truth is out there.

Hell, we even have a thread on it here.

[Wage Slave]

I think that pharmaceuticals do influence things in order to optimize their profits. Like once you're a little older, it does not really hurt to have a bit of an elevated blood pressure. But nowadays they (doctors) try to put you on meds just to get you on 120/80. No-one profits from that except the pharmaceuticals.

Also they fight hard against alternative medicine like accupuncture and the like. Yes, thee is no scientific proof that it works, but science (sponsored by pharmaceuticals) is not interested in proving that their competition might have a point/success here and there, while doctors are not "healing" anything (apart from broken bones, but they would heal by themselves anyway). So science/vs natural methods starts to be "religious". And there the anti-vaxxers definitely have the upper hand

Americans have invented the reservations for the native Americans, why not make reservations for anti-vaxxers? 200 years later, we might have enough statistical data to "proof" who is right. I wonder, whether the pharmaceuticals would agree or not to something like that.

Putting anti vaxxers on reservations is an interesting idea but who should have to pay for it?

There's a moral question here as well because we are talking about the welfare of children. Do parents by virtue of donating a sperm or gestating an egg have the right to decide what vaccination regime their children (who have no say) are going to grow up with? I would say no. If a child's life is being placed in danger then medical staff have a right and duty to act to protect that life.

[Grumpy Gramps]

Do parents by virtue of donating a sperm or gestating an egg have the right to decide what vaccination regime their children (who have no say) are going to grow up with? I would say no. If a child's life is being placed in danger then medical staff have a right and duty to act to protect that life.

But then, who would you trust with the dicisions about your own children's upbringing? The old doctor at the clinic nearby? A slimy politician, however democratically he was elected? I think, most parents really are the (only) ones, who do care about the wellbeing of their children and try to do their best.

But sometimes, it goes terribly wrong. Weren't there just recently one or two cases in Italy, where babies died because their parents did a DIY-circumcision on them?

Maybe parents need to be "parented" in some way. But looking into history, I am not optimistic. You can't weed out stupidity.

[matsuki]

I think that pharmaceuticals do influence things in order to optimize their profits. Like once you're a little older, it does not really hurt to have a bit of an elevated blood pressure. But nowadays they (doctors) try to put you on meds just to get you on 120/80. No-one profits from that except the pharmaceuticals.

Also they fight hard against alternative medicine like accupuncture and the like. Yes, thee is no scientific proof that it works, but science (sponsored by pharmaceuticals) is not interested in proving that their competition might have a point/success here and there, while doctors are not "healing" anything (apart from broken bones, but they would heal by themselves anyway). So science/vs natural methods starts to be "religious". And there the anti-vaxxers definitely have the upper hand

Americans have invented the reservations for the native Americans, why not make reservations for anti-vaxxers? 200 years later, we might have enough statistical data to "proof" who is right. I wonder, whether the pharmaceuticals would agree or not to something like that.

Putting anti vaxxers on reservations is an interesting idea but who should have to pay for it?

There's a moral question here as well because we are talking about the welfare of children. Do parents by virtue of donating a sperm or gestating an egg have the right to decide what vaccination regime their children (who have no say) are going to grow up with? I would say no. If a child's life is being placed in danger then medical staff have a right and duty to act to protect that life.

More like they aren't permitted in gen pop because their choice makes them a threat to the general population.

I mean, my doggies can't even play at some parks here without proof of vaccinations. Why can't we be as strict about children?

[Wage Slave]

I don't know why we are not prepared to protect children. Nor do I understand why we casually grant parents the right to damage children if they want.

For the second week in a row, U.S. health officials added dozens of new reports to the year’s list of confirmed measles cases, bringing the total to 465 — already the highest number in the past five years. It’s another significant milepost on the road to what will probably become a record outbreak after vaccines led to the disease’s “elimination” in the United States.

The number of people sickened by the highly contagious, occasionally deadly disease climbed by 78 during the first week of April, as four more states reported their first cases of 2019. Now, measles has been found in more than a third of U.S. states — up and down both coasts, and across the plains, the Midwest and the South — with most of the illnesses occurring in children.

In 2000, officials announced that they had eradicated measles in the United States. Yet since then, there have been years when the number of cases has surged, notably in 2014, when 667 were reported — the highest annual total since the turn of the century. That year, the disease was reported at a rate of 1.83 cases per day. In 2019, however, the rate has increased to 4.84 cases a day. If that pace continues, this year could surpass 2014 by June.

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“More bad news,” Peter Hotez, an infectious-disease expert at the Baylor College of Medicine, said in a Twitter post about the new CDC numbers. “A totally unnecessary and self inflicted wound, and a direct consequence of an aggressive antivax misinformation campaign.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/04/09/measles-outbreak-cdc-seventy-eight-new-cases-one-week/?utm_term=.9040c541541b