I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this one

[cstaylor]

New law to ban kids from online dating sites

However, NPA officials believe the situation in Japan is unique. "The declaration concerns children who are sexually exploited against their will as a result of poverty and so on. We believe children who willingly solicit are not victims (of sexual exploitation)," a spokesman for the NPA's Safety Bureau said.

and furthermore:

"We are fully aware of the argument that underage sex-seeking adults are solely responsible for child prostitution," the spokesman said. "However, in reality, children are no angels. So we have reached the conclusion that online soliciting needs to be regulated just like pimping on the streets. "We hope the new law will make children more sensitive to standards of society."

[GomiGirl]

It is such a complex issue including supply, demand, bad parenting, greed, perversion, peer pressure yadi yadi yadi.

But saying it is the kids "fault" doesn't address the whole supply and demand relationship of prostitution.

Everybody needs to take responsiblity for their own actions rather than trying to defect it.

It is like saying that women need to be covered from head to foot in a big sack to stop men having impure thoughts... or wearing provocative clothing gives others the right to treat somebody badly or sexually abuse them.

[Maciamo]

Over 18s who solicit online by pretending to be underage and children who post a message offering their sex without real intention to prostitute also face punishment. The planned maximum punishment against offending children is a fine

By the simple law of money, that means that children should go to the end and never refuse to give in when adults solicit them. Otherwise, they'd face a fine (=lose money) instead of making some. Sad, but that's exactly the kind of reasoning that pushes teenagers to sell their body.

[plaid_knight]

This is just one man's opinion and I don't think many people will think well to it. The people involved are not being raped (as far as I know). They are selling their bodies to people who are paying to spend time with them. I find their moral apathy saddening but am not strongly offended by it.

In some parts of the world prostitution is legal and the industry is regulated. Many horrible things which lower the quality of the environment or poison humans like gasoline, cigarettes, and alcohol are already available and regulated. This will just be another of those things. Because of regulation, we have cleaner burning gasoline, clear mandatory warning labels on cigarettes, and alcohol that won't kill you if you drink it. In places where prostitution is legal there are mandatory AIDS and tests for prostitutes, encouraging them (hopefully) to limit their partners and practice safer sex.


It looks like (in theory, anyway) that children who try to use these services will be punished for it and that is good.

To me, the steps that they suggested seemed reasonable and well thought out. It will help curb negative behavior from all sides that add to the problem.

The article suggested that the bill is not yet ready for submission and that they were accepting suggestions on how to improve it. I'd suggest that you should suggest modifications to the bill if you did not like the outline.

The Plaid Knight

[plaid_knight]

This is just one man's opinion and I don't think many people will think well to it. The people involved are not being raped (as far as I know). They are selling their bodies to people who are paying to spend time with them. I find their moral apathy saddening but am not strongly offended by it.

In some parts of the world prostitution is legal and the industry is regulated. Many horrible things which lower the quality of the environment or poison humans like gasoline, cigarettes, and alcohol are already available and regulated. This will just be another of those things. Because of regulation, we have cleaner burning gasoline, clear mandatory warning labels on cigarettes, and alcohol that won't kill you if you drink it. In places where prostitution is legal there are mandatory AIDS and tests for prostitutes, encouraging them (hopefully) to limit their partners and practice safer sex.


It looks like (in theory, anyway) that children who try to use these services will be punished for it and that is good.

To me, the steps that they suggested seemed reasonable and well thought out. It will help curb negative behavior from all sides that add to the problem.

The article suggested that the bill is not yet ready for submission and that they were accepting suggestions on how to improve it. I'd suggest that you should suggest modifications to the bill if you did not like the outline.

The Plaid Knight

[GomiGirl]

I think the distinction needs to be made between prostitution and child prostitution. The two are very different.

If an adult person makes an informed choice to exchange sex for money - I don't really have a problem with it.. not for myself, naturally, but then I have had no ambition to be a lot of things.

In some places in Australia, prostitution is legal and in some states it is possible to buy shares in brothels...

This was done to curb the problem of corruption, drugs and organised crime. Prostitution is the oldest profession and it ain't going away, so the best thing is to make is safe and clean for those who choose to be a client or a sex-worker.

However, a child is not in a position to make an informed choice in my opinion. Sure this is a paternalistic attitude, however, in some cases paternalism is justafiable.

[cstaylor]

However, a child is not in a position to make an informed choice in my opinion. Sure this is a paternalistic attitude, however, in some cases paternalism is justafiable.

And I think that goes for some of the Johns too.

[gaijin99]

I think the distinction needs to be made between prostitution and child prostitution. The two are very different.

If an adult person makes an informed choice to exchange sex for money - I don't really have a problem with it..

However, a child is not in a position to make an informed choice in my opinion.

Of course a child may very well be in the position, depending on the individual case. There is no "norm child". There are dozens of studies worldwide proofing that children engage voluntarily and willingly in sex, mostly with each other, sometimes with adults. Most of those contacts are harmfree and will not effect the child's future to the worst. That probability is not higher than in relationships between adults. Stating that children cannot make such decisions is against human rights and like racism. Another problem is - in Japan 17 year old girls were considered child prostitutes recently, children become older by definition of the law and at the same time engage earlier in sex and get their period at about 12 on the average in developed countries. The problem is a lack of sex education and the greed for money, not the child engaging in s.th. that it wants and gets pleasure from. Child prostitution could almost be extinguished if people could engage sexually without being prohibited. That would give the child and the adult who are lookin for love a chance to find each other and reduce the need for prostitution. Another way to compare.

o.

[Andocrates]

Child prostitution could almost be extinguished if people could engage sexually without being prohibited. That would give the child and the adult who are lookin for love a chance to find each other and reduce the need for prostitution. Another way to compare.

o.

OMG, are your from the South Park Man-Boy Love association? Why bother with laws at all? Children are not on the same emotional playing field as middle adged men. Thus removing laws would simply create a endless supply of children to screw up for your entertainment.

Law is what seperates us from prairie dogs (who by the way have their own sets of laws far harsher then ours)

[gaijin99]

Why bother with laws at all? Children are not on the same emotional playing field as middle adged men. Thus removing laws would simply create a endless supply of children to screw up for your entertainment.

Law is what seperates us from prairie dogs (who by the way have their own sets of laws far harsher then ours)

Why bother with law? Because I want mankind to develop. Removing those laws would not change much in the beginning - people would still have the same problem as always, how to get and stay together. Rape and violence laws are not touched, so the child is still protected. I don't know what you mean by 'middle aged men'. Women are also acitvely interested in having erotic contact with children, and they much easier get it, keep your eyes open. By the way, in most countries that prohibit sex of children the sex between children is also prohibited - but done a lot. The laws are just outdated, not founded on research and such deminishing men's intelligence. There is not even a worldwide standard possible of what is a child. In some countries it might be a 12 year old, in some not any more. Anyway it's a bit ridiculous to think that fully birth-capable 12 year olds don't want any sex in no case no where in the world and can't handle it. It's just a lie. Not to speak of boys.
o.

[GomiGirl]

Again I go away for a few days and miss a whole heap!!

Gaijin99 obviously has been reading way too much propoganda written by paedophiles in order to justify their perverted ways. Sorry if that is harsh but there is NO WAY IN HELL that you are going to convince me that sex between an adult and a child is justifiable or moral.

I don't care if violence is used or not in such cases - it is still rape whichever way you slice it.

A woman having an "erotic" experience with a child is just as bad as a dirty old man playing with prepubescent boys and girls.

Children will experiment with sex between themselves.. there is no difference in power but it does not open the floodgates for an adult to use that as an excuse to exert their power over a child.

Just becuase a child's body has gone through puberty does not make them an adult cabable of making informed choices - life experience gives that - not hormones. Do you think a 12 year old has the maturity to drive a car responsibly? I certainly don't...

But gaijin99, you have obviously justified this to yourself and for that I pity you.

[gaijin99]

Again I go away for a few days and miss a whole heap!!

Gaijin99 obviously has been reading way too much propoganda written by paedophiles ...

I don't care if violence is used or not in such cases - it is still rape whichever way you slice it.


Children will experiment with sex between themselves.. there is no difference in power ...

Just becuase a child's body has gone through puberty does not make them an adult cabable of making informed choices - life experience gives that - not hormones.

1. No, I have been reading scientific research.
2. Rape is defined otherwise.
3. There IS a difference in power between children. That is not the right means to meet the topic.
4. "Informed choices" and the comparison to driving cars is propaganda rhetoric. When a child knows about safety in sex, it will be done for fun. Children are able from early years to decide which fun is good for them. That's why they start masturbating as babies, due to research. You probably just ignore what you have done yourself as a child. For that I pity you.

o.

[GomiGirl]

What childres most need to be taught is to stay away from people like you who want to "teach" them.

[gaijin99]

What childres most need to be taught is to stay away from people like you who want to "teach" them.

Err??? That's exactly what I don't. I want to let them do what they want to do, in this respect. It's people like you who want to rule them and limit their freedom. That's how they get mixed up.

[Andocrates]

Dude, you are a preverted freak, not even sad just evil. You wan't to have sex with children and you think that's normal. You will get yours and I expect you get misery every day. I'll read about you soon enough in a child porn ring bust.

Asshole

[cstaylor]

::sotto voice:: I think we're being trolled!

[gaijin99]

Dude, you are a preverted freak, not even sad just evil. You wan't to have sex with children and you think that's normal. You will get yours and I expect you get misery every day. I'll read about you soon enough in a child porn ring bust.

Asshole

Are you talking about yourself and your phantasies? Or about whom else? I can't see anyone in this thread stating that he wants to have sex with children, so it is just in YOUR head. Psychologists call that a mirroring experience. Very interesting, just open up.
But sure there are a lot of people, adults and children, who want it, and if you would just look it up in a library under topics like sexual research etc. it might broaden your horizon, manko.

o.

[Taro Toporific]

New law to ban kids from online dating sites

A little more on this topic is found in the National Business Review (NZ)http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=4869&cid=5&cname=AsiaChild prostitution enabled by internet in Japan

"The internet has made tackling the problem much harder," Japanese Justice Minister Mayumi Moriyama told the World Congress against Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in Yokohama, in December 2001. "The exploiters are increasingly cunning, and most worryingly, there is a huge increase in pedophile sites on the Internet."...Japan has more than 550 Internet-based dating services and some 80 per cent of the people used cell phones to access them
09-Jan-2003

[American Oyaji]

We should pity this poor soul and not even argue with him.

If I don't meet my guess, he was on the childhood end of one of these adult-child encounters and in order to lessen his feelings of being violated, has justified the encounter in his own mind as being consensual. Nothing we say can change his mind. Only God can. Perhaps with the help of a sexual trauma counselor.

He needs help.

[gaijin99]

We should pity this poor soul and not even argue with him.

If I don't meet my guess, he was on the childhood end of one of these adult-child encounters and in order to lessen his feelings of being violated, has justified the encounter in his own mind as being consensual. Nothing we say can change his mind. Only God can. Perhaps with the help of a sexual trauma counselor.

He needs help.

See, Ancocrates, that's what I said. Get help.

o.