Japan is obese with old people.

[aljones15]

From the worldmapper's archives a map weighted with immigration. Shows that A. most immigrants still go to North America (with the U.S. taking the lions sharing) and a strange bulge in Japan which is quite a bit bigger than almost anywhere else in South East Asia.

http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=15
or click here

Korea is also bulging, but China and India are shrinking.

In other expected fronts Japan is fucking obese with old people
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=6
and it's also really expensive for tourists:
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=24
but they spend more money abroad as tourists than tourists spend in japan:
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=25
and they love to travel:
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=26

even more shit at the site.

drinking and smoking is also pretty amazing:
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=56

[GuyJean]

From the worldmapper's archives..

Pretty cool site! I like maps..

It also shows that Japan would starve if the world cut them off..
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/thumbnails/mapindex37-48.html

http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/thumbnails/mapindex49-60.html

GJ

[emperor]

these are cool

America is nearly invisible on the tourism expenditure map!!
Americans seem to be generally tightfisted when they travel & that tipping-culture is left at home. Most Americans dont even have passports do they?

[Blah Pete]

these are cool

America is nearly invisible on the tourism expenditure map!!
Americans seem to be generally tightfisted when they travel & that tipping-culture is left at home. Most Americans dont even have passports do they?

I would say the results are a bit scewed for the US considering the size and various tourists destinations. For example plane loads of tourists arrive from Japan in Hawaii every day as do tourists from the mainland US. None of the US citizens expenditures are calulated.

[Buraku]

You think Aussies or Japanese take many asylum seekers or refugees ?
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=13
mean bastards ! considering the Japanese are the original immigrant rejects from Korea or China who stole Honshu from the Ainu while the Aussies didn't exactly own their Aboriginal Australian land either !

Pretty cool site! I like maps..

It also shows that Japan would starve if the world cut them off..
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/thumbnails/mapindex37-48.html

http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/thumbnails/mapindex49-60.html

GJ

Fuck ! and you might see Koreans try to embargo the mainland J-islands during the next Take-shimy/Dogto.... whatever day

I would say the results are a bit scewed for the US considering the size and various tourists destinations. For example plane loads of tourists arrive from Japan in Hawaii every day as do tourists from the mainland US. None of the US citizens expenditures are calulated.

An American going to Hawaii is not tourism they are still going to a place ruled by Washington, the place uses American dollars and since '59 it became the 50th state in the USA


and for a last remark
India and Bangladesh are already sufferening from over-population due to their land mass, when i saw this map I thought
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=12
you gotta be shitting me !

but they ain't

[Greji]

you gotta be shitting me !

but they ain't

That's just Shinjuku during the morning rush!

[Buraku]

That's just Shinjuku during the morning rush!

I think you're right dude ! Shinjuku gets nuts

[Oni]

That's just Shinjuku during the morning rush!

Sadly more like They are heading for england, hope they have a shoehorn or they wont fit

[emperor]

I'd love see the mess that ensues when the train suddenly brakes to avoid hitting a cow taking a poop on the tracks

[aljones15]

"America is nearly invisible on the tourism expenditure map!!
Americans seem to be generally tightfisted when they travel & that tipping-culture is left at home. Most Americans dont even have passports do they?"

What's more likely is that most Americans don't travel abroad much. I'm American and never had much of a desire to travel. It's strange meeting so many Canadains and Japanese who are crazy about traveling. I do think that our schools completely and totally suck ass (they're trying to get biblical history into public schools, but they still don't teach include even the basics of chinese or japanese history of culture or islamic?) when it comes to history and geography (on a side note geography was ditched from u.s. schools for good reason it doesn't make much a difference in the end of things), hence people are a little more stuck on stereotypes (most of the world is dangerous except those Asians and some Europeans) then the actuality of say what's going on in Beruit etc. Just imagine what a decent knowledge of the middle east would have done with the dubai port deal? 75% of Dubai is composed of immigrants etc. Or what it would be like to go teach in China and actualy know something about the history before you get there. All that said, I don't know about the passports thing, but I do know a lot of those Americans rarely leave their own state thing is total bullshit. I've never meet someone who hasn't been out of their own state. As for tipping, most countries don't tip, I've asked, no one would take them in Korea aside from that tipping usually isn't taxable income (people under report it constantly) hence I'd imagine it doesn't count much towards tourists expidnetures. Of course when it comes to foreign dicrect investment the U.S. is still #1 by a long long long shot (I think Germany or Austraia is #2 and their FDI is like 70 billion dollars less than the u.s.).

peace,
A

[aljones15]

in regards to India, they now have a nice new modernized rail in addition to these. Chances are taking the developments in most Indian cities and the massive amount of immigration out of the country (a friend of mine works a San Francisco cell company that's like 30% indian workforce) I don't think it won't be much of a problem. China on the other hand is experinecing the problem that as people get wealtheir they're more than willing to pay for the fines that are charged when you exceed the one child per person law.

[aljones15]

Pretty cool site! I like maps..

It also shows that Japan would starve if the world cut them off..
http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/thumbnails/mapindex37-48.html

http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/thumbnails/mapindex49-60.html

GJ

http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/worldmapper/display.php?selected=48

Yeah they'd starve from an absence of frosted fakes =)
it is rather amazing the tariffs on food, yet Japan's incredible
need for imported foods.

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A

[Buraku]

a nice new modernized rail ...

Call centers do not impress me
Have you ever been to India, the government social projects and gov infrastructure is a f*cking joke !
http://www.darbhas.net/India_Train.jpg
http://as.wn.com/i/d7/0ca1dac069761a.jpg
http://www.different-travel.com/07.jpg
http://www.azator.gr/archive/2003/photos/India_train_24_6_03.jpg

...China on the other hand is experinecing the problem...

Your posting from a Taiwanese shithole so your anti-China bias naturally shows
Even though Taiwan in the past has been a much better place to live in than China but today its just as glum as Nippon and I won't even get into the topic those TSU trying to suck up to Ishihara's Yasukuni's ass
The India bubble will be fucked long before the China-one, don't worry the commie Chinaman ain't gonna invade your little island they'll take Taipei without ever firing a bullet like they did with HK

[aljones15]

"China on the other hand is experinecing the problem that as people get wealtheir they're more than willing to pay for the fines that are charged when you exceed the one child per person law."

I'd hardly consider this "anti-chinese" it's a fact. Chinese people are paying to have more Children. I don't think China is going to fall economically, but I do think politically it will have to reform in some ways to allow areas to have more autonomy and press freedom. Also your comments about China "not taking over Taiwan" are blantly misleading and ridicilous. China has already announced they are training 1 million soldiers to deal with dissidents in Taiwan and Tibet and Western provincenes not under their control. Why are they continuing to spend millions preparing for a militrary confrontation they have no desire to have? Why have they started a new TV show that depicts Taiwanese history inaccurately? So inaccurately that even their own depiction of Taiwnanese history in their schools contradicts the show? Keep in mind opinion is split in Taiwan about China with some people prefering reunification and other's independence. Every time the current administration hedges towards declaring independence people march for reunifciation and vice versa. Also, Hong Kong will not become fully part of China untill 2047 when they lose their autonomy, something which people in Hong Kong desperarately seem to want. If anything, I'd say people in Hong Kong are far more vigitantly anti-Chinese than people anywhere else in the world. Also, both China and India are losing jobs to oursourcing in Vietnam, Indonesia, and other countries hence their golden ages of cheap labor will come to and end soon probably with in the next 15 years. Also returns on investments in India are 15% to 30% higher than investments in China hence India's FDI is increasing. Of a survey of 50 countries China ranked #48 for doing business in. All that said I doubt the Chinese economy will fatler much in the coming decade. China arguablly is better prepared for moving into R&D and manufacturing themselves (they already produce cars and other devices that were the backbone of the japanese economy) while India has great schools and a firm backing in software these jobs are a tad more elitist than the work that comes from manufacturing and allows people to climb the ladder. On the other hand India has grameen banks and other anti-poverty measures along with Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Brazil they are fighting poverty and helping people up the socio-economic ladder in ways that China has yet to. Although when I was in Shanghai their businesses had started some non-profits for vocational training of Shanghai's unemployed. I actually rather like China and thought the people were pretty cool and that the people in Taiwan are pretty cool too. My only issue with the Chinese government, not with the once jailed capitalist dissidents now making millions on the mainland in manufacturing and the people (74% of whom prefer capitalism to socialism). On a last note most of the Taiwanese I know don't seem to fee China is an issue, they seem to feel their strong links with China will exclude them for political domination from the mainland, but the government seems to be persueing more indepdence at this time.

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A

[Buraku]

I've been there and I've seen how the companies work there and believe me like China grew out of Mao's nightmare so India will also but grow only because it was a poverty stricken hole beforehand
and when you are so far down the well there is only one way to go and that's up - hence your high percentage returns


India is a ultra-captitalist's fantasy come true
get rich quick and once the shit hits the fan the companies can hightail it just like we have done in other banana republics
whenever an American football company wants to set up a call-center for tickets or British soccer t-shirt groups wants to set up shop they can use child-labor and the cast system slavery to have kids making shirts to their huge advantage...it works to get cash flowing through India's economy but only for the short term.
but in the long term India is in the fucking shit, even more so than China. The Chinese have watched Japan during its years of growth and are now careful not to make the same mistakes so the China bubble won't burst for another 10 or 20 years. As for China owning Taipei's ass - I guess you missed those Bush and Powell speeches where they did a big U-turn on Taiwan.
The social problems in India are unreal, shit like the Katrina disaster happens every year to them, and have you never heard of the term over-population ? The place is a disaster waiting to happen.

Another probelm with India is that in the past few decades the smaller nation of Pakistan always seems to be smarter or just that little bit ahead of them...

Pakistan won't allow India to gain too much, plus they've always got their finger ready on that big red-button

Brazil on the other hand seems to be doing some good work, they've also got probelms but might even have a brighter future than the Chinese

[aljones15]

your point about Western countries high-tailing it out of India is true, but they can also high tail it out of China too, although China restricts foreign ownership of their companies, hence they'll be left with a lot of Chinese owned companies with wages to high to compete with the next sector of outsourcing, but still I see your point, at least the Chinese do own the companies and surely internal manufacturing to a populos of 1 billion will still be profitable especially if they go all Japanese on the plants and automate them. As for your points about Japan, I'd argue the exact opposite, India has long been a fan of Japan and has studied it far more thoroughly and with a better more open framework than China has. While India and many capitalist societies don't have the luxury of forcing people to move and then buiding better housing for them like China does (communist countries are actually better at taking care of the poor) generally the regional governments and their increased power in making decission that exist in India provide more sustianable results for their people in the long term. Finally, China's economic sector is managed by Western educated elites with little motivation to better the rural areas. Despite 60,000 protests a year (most peaceful) they still haven't managed to quell rural uprisings in China or discontent in Hong Kong, not to mention other absurdities like the empty buildings in Shanghai no one lives in that are built to meet development goals. China will surely continue to grow and do well, but I don't think their system can handle the stress of fully becoming a mature government. On the other hand I think India is really just starting up.

"and when you are so far down the well there is only one way to go and that's up - hence your high percentage returns"

Part of the reason for the better returns is that India's workers are actually more productive than Chinese workers and also that they're willing to work with foreign companies (they just set a record for fastest construction of a railway). The only things that make China desirable as a production center is the cost, Chinese workers have yet to acheive effecenies near Japan or most South East Asia and also the government's own investment in transporation (they have maintained roads and ports and about 8 more airports on the way right now most of the airports lose money right now BTW). I'm also aware of the Bush Cheney paradox of one China where in they offer weapons to the state/country/what-is-it that they're respecting as part of China etc. As for the shithole aspects of India, China's peasants still primarily live on third world wages, the other problem I see with China is the 80%-20% law where in 20% of the pop has 80% of the wealth. This has already occured with 200 million urbanites getting richer and the rural areas getting poorer. In order for China to circumvent wage inequality they'll have to defy a law that's proven true in almost every country on earth (American being the exception where the super-rich are gaining 400% more wealth per year than the millionares below them.).

"Another probelm with India is that in the past few decades the smaller nation of Pakistan always seems to be smarter or just that little bit ahead of them..."
The same goes for Sri Lanka which has typically had a better economy than India, but India has been beating both Pakistan and Sri Lanka for awhile now almost 10 years I believe.

I'm looking at The Economist right now and here's the breakdown between the two countries:
China +9.9 GDP, Industrial Production +16.2, Consumer Prices +0.9, Trade Balance +102.6, Current Account +128.6, Foreign reserves 853.7
That's billions by the way for Trade Balance and Current Account.
underneath China is Hong Kong and then in 3rd is India +7.6 GDP, +8.3 industrial production, +4.4 consumer prices, trade balance -38.0, Current Account -13.3, foreign reserves 136.6.
So oviously China is kicking India's ass right now and if you combined Hong Kong and China together it would be an almost unbeleivable amount of money they're making. Also regarding pakistan their industrial production shows up higher than China's +19.3 but they're foreign reserves are negative.

Brazil is also not growing as fast as Argentina or Venzuala now, but gets most of the press becuase people see their measures as more sustianable than other south american countries. According to the economist while they're GDP is growing incredibly slow, they're trade balance is huge. Also just looked it up and India is #58 on the list of places to do business so the Chinese have them beat there too. Although Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore are the best places in the South East

So I don't know what to say, is India sustianable or better than China? You might be right.