IS HE... HOMOSEXUAL?

[cliffy]

Good call GG, again we hear sense.
Are you sure that you didn't study Psycology not Biochemistry?



My spelling may be suspect........... oh well

[GomiGirl]

My spelling may be suspect........... oh well

But you show excellent taste..

p.s. Psychology - did a few subjects but I thought all the professors were whackos..

[Big Booger]

BB I know you think you are just "poking fun" - but it does come across as quite rude and insensitive to something that is quite personal to some people which then starts a whole cycle... save it for the bar with your mates..

Seriously if I offended any gay people or bisexual, or bi-curious I am sorry. I will watch what I post in the future. But I have seen worse posted on here, far worse. But I wonder if gay people, joke about straight folk? Would be interesting to know.

I know for a fact some masculine homosexuals take shots at the flamers.. I have heard it on forums, talk shows, and among friends.

[GomiGirl]

I know for a fact some masculine homosexuals take shots at the flamers.. I have heard it on forums, talk shows, and among friends.

Sure but that is the same as a black guy calling another black guy the "N" word. But I would never use that word because:
a) I am white
b) I am female
c) it is tradionally a slur

I do have a heap of gay friends and I would never use the "F" word as a description either.. but I have heard a few good friends call each other this when they are joking around..

(BTW the limited categories you listed earlier doesn't even come close to the range of "alternative" lifestyles.)

Another example: I have a heap of insulting names for my brother but god help anyone who uses them except for me..

got it?

[Big Booger]

Interesting.

[American Oyaji]

You can't change your color.
It's damn hard to change your nationality.
You can't choose your relatives (except spouse)

You can choose your friends.

You CAN choose your sexuality. And accept the risks thereof, and including the ire of normal society.

As for having fantasies...I'm sure all men and women have fantisised about members of the same sex at one time or another. Some have even acted on it, only to be disgusted by it. Others may not have been disgusted, but may have realized how wrong it is.

But whatever category you fall into. Humans were NOT designed to do that.

And for any feelings we feel, we DECIDE to feel how we feel, even decide to love or not to love. We DO have a choice. To say we don't is a copout.

We choose to hate, love, be disgusted, outraged.....emotion is a choice, not a reaction.

So when homosexuals say that they don't have a choice. I say bullshit. They chose that path. They may not like their choice, or the fact that they had to choose, but its their CHOICE nonetheless. No one forces them to do anything. The only thing biology does is FORCE you to mature.

[Marked Trail]

... if this guy thinks about that while he wacks it, it's just a matter of time.

Read about the flip side of this...

A Taste for Rice & Potatoes
[X]press Magazine, March 2002

Andrew, 26, who only revealed his first name, is one of the few white gay men who admit their erotic attraction to Asian men. Andrew says his physical attraction to Asian men started when he moved to Japan as an English teacher a couple of years ago.

"Before I went to Japan, I had an idea of what an 'ideal man' should look like. I liked the American-model of masculinity such as muscles, large bone structure, strength, athleticism and so on," Canadian-born Andrew says, adding that after spending a couple of months surrounded by "smaller Japanese men," he learned to appreciate more subtle features, and his ideal body image changed.

After dating a lot of Japanese men and returning to San Francisco, he found himself only attracted to Asians.

"Physically, Asian men often look much younger than their Caucasian counterparts of the same age. The thinness of the body type and general lack of body hair is also often attractive, since hair in places like the chest and back are often associated with age, and hairlessness is associated with youth in Western culture," Andrew explains. He also admits he regards the popular generalization of "passiveness" is often true with many of the Asian men.

[GomiGirl]

You CAN choose your sexuality. And accept the risks thereof, and including the ire of normal society.

So when homosexuals say that they don't have a choice. I say bullshit. They chose that path. They may not like their choice, or the fact that they had to choose, but its their CHOICE nonetheless. No one forces them to do anything. The only thing biology does is FORCE you to mature.

I will politely disagree.... this is my opinion, which is different from yours and this leads into murky waters..

lets just agree to disagree...

[Big Booger]

Canadian-born Andrew says

says it all j/k

[American Oyaji]

You can disagree with me all you want. But it doesnt mean I'm wrong. Because I'm not.

Look at it this way.

You don't HAVE to lie on your back for a man. Nor do you have to be on your hands and knees. How you get off is YOUR choice. No one forces you to spread your legs.

Just like no one forces a man to bend over and take it in the butt. Or open his mouth for another man's member.

We have full control over our bodies. God gave us this. How we use it is up to us....within limits.

Homosexuality is beyond those limits.

I respect the fact that you disagree. But you are misguided.

[Andocrates]

I think gay people can't control their urges which isn't the same thing as being born gay.

[cstaylor]

Canadian-born Andrew says

I thought Josh was from the U.S.... or maybe this is a cover?

[GuyJean]

We have full control over our bodies. God gave us this. How we use it is up to us....within limits.

The never ending debate: Is homosexuality learned or inherent?

I used to think 'learned' and utterly disgusted by homosexuality. But after establishing close friendships with gays, I'm not so sure..

Men AND women have both estrogen and testosterone pumping through their veins. It's generally the ratio of those hormones that dictate our sexual preference. In my opinion, that 'balance' of hormones has been thrown out of wack due to the food we eat. If you eat chicken, beef, or vegetables, most likely it's been injected with steriods, hormones, or another species DNA. This, in turn, affects our own hormones..

Of course, homosexuality existed long before cows were being injected with growth hormones, so I'm still working on my theory.. But I'm believing more and more that gayness is more 'science' than 'fashion'..

Speaking of fashion homos; has anyone seen the video for the song Everything She Said by the Russian teenagers? Seventeen and eighteen year old lesbians making out in the rain.. They claim to be REAL lesbians, but I think it's their producer's idea.. Who knows what they are at seventeen?

GJ

[ramchop]

I thought Josh was from the U.S.... or maybe this is a cover?

Unbelievable! , none of the 10 current Hot Topics are Josh related (unless you count this one ). How long until he bumps one of his own threads back into the limelight?

[Taro Toporific]

I thought Josh was from the U.S.... or maybe this is a cover?

Unbelievable! , none of the 10 current Hot Topics are <name deleted> related (unless you count this one ). How long until he bumps one of his own threads back into the limelight?

I confess that sometimes I post News just to bump <name deleted> off the current Hot Topics.

Now that you mentioned J-kun, either he'll be back immediately <or> it'll be at least 6 hours till he wakes up to watch cartoons.

[kamome]

Guys, <name deleted> won't be back so soon. Ultra and I have had a chat and let's just say he's trying to make FG a more enjoyable experience again.

[cstaylor]

Guys, <name deleted> won't be back so soon. Ultra and I have had a chat and let's just say he's trying to make FG a more enjoyable experience again.

Three cheers for Kamome! Hip hip hoorah!

[Big Booger]

Man, I will mis <name delete>.
He gave it that real ghetto feel in this forum.

[GuyJean]

[quote="cstaylor"]Hip hip hoorah! ]
Hip-Hop Away!

GJ

[American Oyaji]

Hip hip hoorah! ]
Hip-Hop Away!

GJ

FAR away!!

<name deleted> was a perfect case for allowing registered users only to post.

[kamome]

I absolutely agree....hip hop far away. <Name deleted> was the perfect justification for disallowing unregistered posters and even convinced Ultra to change his opinion on the subject. Let's hope things stay quiet and that our great group of registered FGs continue to get the best out of this website.

[bluepxl]

name deleted?? i'm totally lost...


anyway,

You CAN choose your sexuality. And accept the risks thereof, and including the ire of normal society.

So when homosexuals say that they don't have a choice. I say bullshit. They chose that path. They may not like their choice, or the fact that they had to choose, but its their CHOICE nonetheless. No one forces them to do anything. The only thing biology does is FORCE you to mature.

i highly agree. i think a lot of things develop from very young childhood, which is why many believe they were born that way. something happens to them that develops their minds in such a way that they psychologically subconciously *choose*. they believe they were made to be this way. no one is made to be any one way sexually. we are all created equally and start off fresh the same!

but to the original poster: yes pretty much like everyone said, to have fantasies about another man is not at all common among straight men, as far as i know. i know i think it is downright gross, and i think if you do have such fantasies than it is what you really want. so let him have what he wants, i suppose...

[bejiita]

You CAN choose your sexuality. And accept the risks thereof, and including the ire of normal society.

So when homosexuals say that they don't have a choice. I say bullshit. They chose that path. They may not like their choice, or the fact that they had to choose, but its their CHOICE nonetheless. No one forces them to do anything. The only thing biology does is FORCE you to mature.

i highly agree. i think a lot of things develop from very young childhood, which is why many believe they were born that way. something happens to them that develops their minds in such a way that they psychologically subconciously *choose*. they believe they were made to be this way. no one is made to be any one way sexually. we are all created equally and start off fresh the same!

I would have to disagree with this line of reasoning. Why? Because of Darwin's theory that says random genetic mutation occurs. Scientifically, we know very little about how the brain operates. Until science states conclusively what each protein or gene in our body does, can you unequivocally say that sexuality is entirely based on choice? And if a mutation occurs that affects a person's sexuality, then it's no different from the countless other diseases that occurs because of genetic mutation. For example, can you truly say a narcoleptic chooses to go to sleep when they don't want to?

My own personal theory is that you have some people who do choose their sexuality while you also have some people who don't or can't choose.

[GomiGirl]

I think mutation is a problematic term.. but otherwise I would agree that there are so many factors in nature and in nurture that I don't think there is conclusive evidence to exclude any possiblilty at the moment..

If is comes down to a matter of choice/taste then can somebody please explain why I like to eat vegemite and my brother doesn't? We were brought up in the same environment and have the same parents. Is this a choice or is "taste" something that is more intrinsic to the individual? Personally I think that it is something biological rather than environmental.. (p.s. we are both heterosexual so that seems to have no correlation significance with the like/dislike of vegemite either)

But the main problem I have with this type of debate is that some people see homosexuality as something that needs to be "fixed". Live and let live I say. Viva la difference...

[American Oyaji]

Darwin was a flippin idiot.

The worst thing he ever did for humanity was his theory of evolution.

I mean. Do you really think man evolved just to destroy himself?

Man was designed and created by God. And it takes a lot less faith to believe we were created by God than it does to believe WE are descended from monkeys. And if we are from monkeys, where are the lizard people?

As for nurture vs. nature. Sure a guy may be effeminate, but no one forces him to bend over and take it in the butt. (maybe it happened, but no one forces him to keep bending over).

The same way that, except in cases of rape, no one forces a woman to spread her legs to a man that cares nothing for her except for his personal pleasure for the moment.

It's all about CHOICE. People don't want to take responsibilty for their actions so they throw up that nature vs. nurture BS. We CHOOSE what we do and we must take responsibility for those choices for good or ill. And sadly the trend in humanity is to NOT take responsibility for our choices and blame it on someone else.

And for the record. I have never met a TRULY happy homosexual. Says something, doesnt it?

[bluepxl]

actually, did you know darwin didn't even believe in the theory himself? he actually presented it as an interesting theory to think about, but as it is said he never himself believed in it as truth to live by. just a theory he was thinking about, but nothing to actually take that seriously.

and by the way, the stuff you talked about saying darwin's theory backs up the fact there is no choice, is all crap. you're supporting your theories on another theory that has never been proven, and in fact many scientists are starting to laugh at it now. sure, one could say my idea that it is a choice is a theory, but like american oyaji says, it's a fact. perhaps not necessarily proven by your favorite scientists, but it is much closer to being factual than darwin's theory. i'm basing my viewpoint on the issue not on some other theory but on the fact that early childhood development can make a huge difference in what one becomes. this is something that is proven. they found that many homosexuals were from a childhood of having a father that was either abusive or never nurtured them. all their life they have a need and feeling to be close with a male because they never got it from their father. it's not the same case in all cases, some people just want sex with a dude just because they're freakin weird. but while they may have not conciously chosen to be this way, it's still a choice made some point in their life even if it is from a very young point in their childhood. they were not physically created to be that way. no one is.

and hasn't anyone heard about the growing number of homosexuals who went back to being straight because they discovered for themselves that it was a "choice", a choice they were unhappy and guilty with? there is a large support group for this cause too, i forget their name though... but just another point supporting that it is choice.

[Andocrates]

Gomgirl makes a good and valid point. I'm all for live and let live but the one problem I have is how this affects young people.

While same sex experiments are fairly normal in adolescence this constant "You are born gay," tripe forced down everyone's throat confuses kids. In fact the homosexual radicals went so far and pushed so fast that they got the inevitable backlash that comes with political propaganda.

I also think there are levels to sexual experience. You might start out finding satisfaction in playboy pictures but soon you need to see genitalia, then later you want to see actual sex, and it escalates. Same-sex, sex is more powerful (or more dirty, naughty, what ever term works) thus the sexual experience is stronger. Once you're hooked on hardcore porn Playboy just isn't gonna do it for you anymore.

But I think to miss marriage and children, for sex is a shame. (or worse yet to get married and have children and do the homo thing on the side)

Like it or not people need to follow certain patterns hard-wired in our species. Go to school, get a job, get married, raise a family, live to see your grand-children etc.


Thus spake Andocrates

[ramchop]

Darwin was a flippin idiot.

The worst thing he ever did for humanity was his theory of evolution.

I mean. Do you really think man evolved just to destroy himself?

Man was designed and created by God. And it takes a lot less faith to believe we were created by God than it does to believe WE are descended from monkeys. And if we are from monkeys, where are the lizard people?

I'm not sure I want to take the bait. Science is not a religion, it's based on evidence. Theories are open to review and criticism, and are often discarded and updated when new evidence or more valid ideas are developed.

The evidence in this case may be sketchy in some places but as a whole it overwhelmingly outweighs the evidence of one book written a few thousand years ago.

Which sciences do you choose to believe in?
- Physics?
- Chemistry?
- Biology?
All these fields support the view that the Bible's view of seriously ancient history is flawed.

You wish to pick and choose your sciences? Go back to living in a cave.

[Big Booger]

God created man in his own image.
There are male homosexuals on earth.
God therefore, could be a male homosexual.

Note* the terms woman and female can be substituted for the terms man and male.

[cstaylor]

Not exactly correct logic.

Here's what you are trying to say:

If God created Man in his image
And Man was created homosexual,
Then God is homosexual

But that supposes that man is born homosexual (according to your logical argument).