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Re: shades of grey

Postby vir-jin » Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:55 pm

samuraiwig wrote:All that should be expected is that collectively (Japanese and German, 'winners' and 'losers') people should learn from the past and not avoid confronting difficult issues.



The only thing that should be expected from the human race is to stick and keep on searching for the truth. And that's quite tricky, ne! cause what I am guessing to be the truth may not be the truth you see... we need to know the truth about the past but not necessarily learn from the past because the same situation won't happen again. we need to control our mind and open our eyes for the present and the future. and ask ourselves whether what is presented to us is the truth or not. Culture (including media, law& war :twisted: ) is a human's product, not static and produced from humans for humans--- therefore very limited and not even close to be perfect. :lol:
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Re: shades of grey

Postby Captain Japan » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:13 pm

Tojo's granddaughter opposes separate enshrinement
Kyodo via Japan Today
TOKYO — Yuko Tojo, a granddaughter of Hideki Tojo, Japan's wartime prime minister who was hanged as a Class-A war criminal after the war, reiterated on Sunday her opposition to removing her grandfather and other Class-A war criminals from the list of those enshrined at Yasukuni Shrine.

She said on a Fuji Television news program that the Tojo family rejected the idea. "It's an issue of state and not a problem of a private individual. It will be tantamount to admitting that the last war was a war of aggression." The shrine sees the war criminals, along with the war dead, as martyrs of the Showa era under the late Emperor Hirohito. Former Yasukuni Shinto priest Tadashi Yuzawa, appearing on the same program, said, "It will never happen, no matter how times change." (Kyodo News)
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War criminals

Postby Mennon » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:16 pm

I RECKON that out of the few million Japanese who died in WW2, most of them I'm sure were good, hard working, loyal people, who only did what they were told by their government. Not much different to all the Americans and Australians and everyone else who fought and died in WW2. Let's remember war the way it is - a crime commited by officials on good, hard-working people. So one of these officials, Mr Koizumi, refuses to ignore the sacrifices made by good Japanese people and honours them. Good for him.
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Re: shades of grey

Postby Buraku » Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:07 am

Captain Japan wrote:Discussing world war is taboo for Japanese people
Letter to the editor from Ms Chie Yamaguchi.
Sir, With reference to David Pilling's Lunch with the FT article "Let Japan's sleeping gods of war lie" (FT Weekend, February 19-20): I have no idea how English people react to Yuko Tojo's way of thinking about the second world war. But I think her beliefs are the biggest problem in modern Japan, as so many Japanese young people still think about the second world war in the way she does.

Accordingly, no one feels responsible what we (Japanese) did during the war. But I say that even if Ms Tojo's beliefs are true, we Japanese have somehow to escape this mindset otherwise we will never be happy or a real country.

I remembered that Junichiro Koizumi visited Yasukuni shrine last year. At the time Japan was is in the midst of argument about sending the Japanese military to the Iraq war.

I was really surprised at Mr Koizumi visiting the shrine. I think all Japanese are more like ghosts. They are still living in the time of the second world war. I think Japanese politics should have a slogan similar to New Labour's in the UK - Japan is working, do not go back!

Sadly, it is impossible to discuss the subject with Japanese people. It is still taboo.

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Re: shades of grey

Postby Captain Japan » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:16 pm

Tojo's granddaughter says Japan war PM no criminal
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TOKYO, July 28 (Reuters) - On the day Japan surrendered in World War Two, the family of wartime Prime Minister Hideki Tojo packed into a small truck in the stifling summer heat and fled their home, afraid the victorious Allies would take their lives.

"August 15, 1945, was the day that everyone else became free," recalled Tojo's granddaughter, Yuko, six at the time. "But that was the day our post-war life of fleeing and hiding began."

Tojo, who became a symbol of wartime militarism for many both in and outside Japan, was hanged for war crimes in 1948.

He is also one of 14 Class A war criminals honoured at Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine, making visits there by Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi controversial and a source of friction with China and South Korea.

Tojo was convicted on counts of waging wars of aggression against the Allies and China and of authorising inhumane treatment of prisoners of war and others forced his family into decades of reclusion so profound that letters were mailed to them under a different name.

Yuko decided to break that silence a decade ago to argue for a new view of her grandfather and history.

"My grandfather was certainly responsible for the nation," she said, surrounded by pictures of her grandfather in her modest Tokyo home. "But having responsibility and doing bad things are different. He was not a criminal.

"Post-war history was tampered with by the Allies," she added. "Japan's culture and the Japanese spirit, right down to the bottom of (our) hearts, were all dyed with this version of history. And it's been that way for the past 60 years."...more...
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Postby blackcat » Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:03 pm

JAPANESE
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SYNDROME

a sickness!
"humanity before nationality"
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Postby Taro Toporific » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:43 am

blackcat wrote:JAPANESE
DENAIL
SYNDROME

a sickness!


It's not a "sickness," it's CULTURE.


Tojo's granddaughter wants Japan emperor shrine visit

Fri Aug 25, 5:59 AM ET
TOKYO (Reuters) - T
he granddaughter of wartime Prime Minister Hideki Tojo said on Friday a Tokyo war shrine should keep honoring war criminals and urged Japan's emperor to visit there to thank those who had died for their country.
Japan was locked in debate on whether "Class A" war criminals should be removed from the list of those honored at Yasukuni Shrine, or if the country should build a secular memorial where leaders could go without offending Asian neighbors.
"There is no culture in Japan which suggests removing Class A, B and C war criminals from the list of those honored at Yasukuni," said Yuko Tojo, granddaughter of the war leader who was convicted as a Class A war criminal by an Allied tribunal and hanged in 1948....more....
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Postby Captain Japan » Sun May 13, 2007 11:30 pm

Tojo's granddaughter to run in July
Japan Times
A granddaughter of Gen. Hideki Tojo, the wartime prime minister who was hanged as a war criminal after World War II, has revealed her intention to run in the House of Councilors election in July.

Yuko Tojo, 67, pledged Monday to work to realize the enshrinement of all of Japan's military war dead at Yasukuni Shrine. Her grandfather is one of the 14 Class-A war criminals honored at the Shinto shrine.

Tojo heads a nonprofit organization working on environmental conservation.
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Postby Greji » Mon May 14, 2007 10:53 am

Captain Japan wrote:Tojo's granddaughter to run in July
Japan Times
A granddaughter of Gen. Hideki Tojo, the wartime prime minister who was hanged as a war criminal after World War II, has revealed her intention to run in the House of Councilors election in July.

Yuko Tojo, 67, pledged Monday to work to realize the enshrinement of all of Japan's military war dead at Yasukuni Shrine. Her grandfather is one of the 14 Class-A war criminals honored at the Shinto shrine.

Tojo heads a nonprofit organization working on environmental conservation.


She just might be to the left of some of those clowns they already go in the diet!
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Postby Captain Japan » Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:43 pm

Yuko Tojo, Upper House Election Candidate
Time: 2007 Jul 03 12:00 - 14:00
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Professional Luncheon,
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Candidate in the Upper House Election
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The speech and Q & A will be in Japanese with English interpretation.
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In politics name recognition can be everything.

In Yuko Tojo's case, that last name could be seen as famous or infamous depending on one's political views.

People across the planet know the name of her grandfather, Japanese wartime Prime Minister Gen. Hideki Tojo, who ordered the Pearl Harbor attack and was hanged by the Allies in 1948 after the Tokyo war crimes tribunal.

Tojo, 68, is running for an Upper House seat in next month's election to clear her grandfather's name, saying that Japan was forced into the war by the U.S. oil embargo. She is also pushing for the current Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to make pilgrimages to the controversial Yasukuni Shrine, where her grandfather is enshrined along with 2.5 million other Japanese war dead, for Tokyo to build a full-fledged military and to scrap the 1947 U.S.-drafted pacifist constitution.

A former teacher, it's unclear if her views and last name will put her into office. But the conservative Abe, also the grandson of an imprisoned war criminal, isn't backing her and has distanced himself from her right-wing views.

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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby Taro Toporific » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:25 pm

Tojo’s granddaughter, Yuko, dies at 73
japantimes.co.jp | Feb. 16, 2013
Yuko Tojo, the granddaughter of convicted Class-A war criminal Prime Minister Gen. Hideki Tojo, died of interstitial pneumonia Wednesday. She was 73...
..His granddaughter is widely known for unsuccessfully running as an independent candidate in the 2007 Upper House election, in which she based her controversial campaign “on regaining the pride and honor of Japan.”
“Japan did not fight a war of aggression,” Tojo said of the country’s past militaristic aggression during an interview with The Japan Times in 2007,
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby yanpa » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:19 am

Auntie Beeb wrote:John Wilpers, WWII veteran and Tojo captor, dies at 93

The US soldier who arrested Japanese Prime Minister Gen Hideki Tojo to face trial for war crimes at the end of World War II has died aged 93.

John Wilpers was the last surviving member of the team that captured the Japanese leader on 11 September 1945.

Tojo had just shot himself in a suicide attempt when the five-man team of Americans arrived at his house. Wilpers is credited with keeping him alive.

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Postby McTojo » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:17 pm

blackcat wrote:JAPANESE
DENAIL
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a sickness!


blah blah blah....hypocrite.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby McTojo » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:18 pm

yanpa wrote:
Auntie Beeb wrote:John Wilpers, WWII veteran and Tojo captor, dies at 93

The US soldier who arrested Japanese Prime Minister Gen Hideki Tojo to face trial for war crimes at the end of World War II has died aged 93.

John Wilpers was the last surviving member of the team that captured the Japanese leader on 11 September 1945.

Tojo had just shot himself in a suicide attempt when the five-man team of Americans arrived at his house. Wilpers is credited with keeping him alive.

...more...


He did not have the authority to arrest Tojo. He deserves no special honors.
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Postby McTojo » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:20 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:
blackcat wrote:JAPANESE
DENAIL
SYNDROME

a sickness!


It's not a "sickness," it's CULTURE.


Tojo's granddaughter wants Japan emperor shrine visit

Fri Aug 25, 5:59 AM ET
TOKYO (Reuters) - T
he granddaughter of wartime Prime Minister Hideki Tojo said on Friday a Tokyo war shrine should keep honoring war criminals and urged Japan's emperor to visit there to thank those who had died for their country.
Japan was locked in debate on whether "Class A" war criminals should be removed from the list of those honored at Yasukuni Shrine, or if the country should build a secular memorial where leaders could go without offending Asian neighbors.
"There is no culture in Japan which suggests removing Class A, B and C war criminals from the list of those honored at Yasukuni," said Yuko Tojo, granddaughter of the war leader who was convicted as a Class A war criminal by an Allied tribunal and hanged in 1948....more....



It is not a culture. You are filled with misguided hatred for your own country's culpability during and prior to the war. Stop disrespecting the Japanese.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby yanpa » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:30 pm

I thought "denail" is something the Gestapo did.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby matsuki » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:33 pm

They're all dead now with their plight...
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Re: Re:

Postby Yokohammer » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:53 pm

McTojo wrote:It is not a culture. You are filled with misguided hatred for your own country's culpability during and prior to the war. Stop disrespecting the Japanese.

You, Tony McTojo, are full of shit.

You pretend to champion Japan and its culture, yet you turn around and disrespect the country more than anyone else here with your imperious ideas about how, in your filth-infested brain, you believe it should be in order to fulfill your egotistical fantasies.

The fact is, your understanding of Japan is pitifully superficial and self-serving.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: You disgust me.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby yanpa » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:00 pm

FFS don't encourage him...
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby Yokohammer » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:13 pm

yanpa wrote:FFS don't encourage him...

McTojo does serve a useful purpose from time to time.
He provides a general direction in which to fart when the gas builds up to bursting point.

Nothing else of value though.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby Tsuru » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:24 pm

What is very interesting (and quite typical) is that this woman never changed her name. You'll struggle trying to find anyone named Hitler, Goebbels or Göring or things like that in Germany or Austria, let alone them being in the public eye and talking to the press about stuff their dad or grandpa did. The only equivalent I know of is the granddaughter of Mussolini who is the head of some small Italian wingnut political party.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby yanpa » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:51 pm

Tsuru wrote:What is very interesting (and quite typical) is that this woman never changed her name. You'll struggle trying to find anyone named Hitler,

A very rare name anyway. No kiddies.

BTW, Tojo Hideki != Adolf Hitler. History is never that simple.

Tsuru wrote: Goebbels

Had all his kiddies killed shortly after Adolf and Eva poisoned themselves.

Tsuru wrote: or Göring


One child who has faded into obscurity.
Tsuru wrote:or things like that in Germany or Austria, let alone them being in the public eye and talking to the press about stuff their dad or grandpa did. The only equivalent I know of is the granddaughter of Mussolini who is the head of some small Italian wingnut political party.


Let me introduce you to Albert Speer, Jr. (son of Albert Speer) and also Manfred Rommel.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby yanpa » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:57 pm

Having said that, living in Japan is very different to living in Germany.

In Berlin it's hard to go out outside without tripping over some memorial to a hard done-by minority.

In Japan you'd hardly know the war ever happened (unless you happen to live in Hiroshima or Nagasaki which were set up teh bomb by teh nasty Amercanz for some reason).
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby Tsuru » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:38 pm

yanpa wrote:Having said that, living in Japan is very different to living in Germany.

In Berlin it's hard to go out outside without tripping over some memorial to a hard done-by minority.

In Japan you'd hardly know the war ever happened (unless you happen to live in Hiroshima or Nagasaki which were set up teh bomb by teh nasty Amercanz for some reason).
That's exactly what I meant. Taro was surprised when I chose to go to Yasukuni when he took us on a tour of Tokyo, but I kinda felt I had to see this place with my own eyes. To a European the Japanese attitude to WWII is kind of hard to get my head around.

Having said that though (and I hate to sound like a J-apologist), I have heard at least some of the Japanese ignorance of their own atrocities could be attributed to the fact that the US needed Japan as a springboard and manufacturing base during the Korean War, and WWII reparations had to take a backseat for a while.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby Russell » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:22 am

yanpa wrote:
Tsuru wrote: Goebbels

Had all his kiddies killed shortly after Adolf and Eva poisoned themselves.

Hmm. Seems he made a mistake somewhere along the line, unfortunately:
Step-grandchildren of Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels are worth billions after inheriting industrial fortune.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby Coligny » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:04 am

Tsuru wrote:
yanpa wrote:Having said that, living in Japan is very different to living in Germany.

In Berlin it's hard to go out outside without tripping over some memorial to a hard done-by minority.

In Japan you'd hardly know the war ever happened (unless you happen to live in Hiroshima or Nagasaki which were set up teh bomb by teh nasty Amercanz for some reason).
That's exactly what I meant. Taro was surprised when I chose to go to Yasukuni when he took us on a tour of Tokyo, but I kinda felt I had to see this place with my own eyes. To a European the Japanese attitude to WWII is kind of hard to get my head around.

Having said that though (and I hate to sound like a J-apologist), I have heard at least some of the Japanese ignorance of their own atrocities could be attributed to the fact that the US needed Japan as a springboard and manufacturing base during the Korean War, and WWII reparations had to take a backseat for a while.


Before that wasn't it to get themselves some forward base close to the east side of the Soviet Union ?
Where is grand'pa Greji when we need him for bedtime stories :-( ?
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby Tsuru » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:51 am

Hell, let's throw Vietnam in there while we're at it and he'll be here before you can spell "Gulf of Tonkin" backwards.
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby Coligny » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:46 am

Niknot Phô Phlúg

Sounds like a noodle soup dish...

or some Ikea shit...
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Re: My Grandfather the War Criminal

Postby yanpa » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:25 am

Russell wrote:
yanpa wrote:
Tsuru wrote: Goebbels

Had all his kiddies killed shortly after Adolf and Eva poisoned themselves.

Hmm. Seems he made a mistake somewhere along the line, unfortunately:
Step-grandchildren of Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels are worth billions after inheriting industrial fortune.

This is his wife's son from her first marriage, who was adult at the time and not a direct descendant.
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Postby wangta » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:08 am

McTojo wrote:
Taro Toporific wrote:
blackcat wrote:JAPANESE
DENAIL
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a sickness!


It's not a "sickness," it's CULTURE.


Tojo's granddaughter wants Japan emperor shrine visit

Fri Aug 25, 5:59 AM ET
TOKYO (Reuters) - T
he granddaughter of wartime Prime Minister Hideki Tojo said on Friday a Tokyo war shrine should keep honoring war criminals and urged Japan's emperor to visit there to thank those who had died for their country.
Japan was locked in debate on whether "Class A" war criminals should be removed from the list of those honored at Yasukuni Shrine, or if the country should build a secular memorial where leaders could go without offending Asian neighbors.
"There is no culture in Japan which suggests removing Class A, B and C war criminals from the list of those honored at Yasukuni," said Yuko Tojo, granddaughter of the war leader who was convicted as a Class A war criminal by an Allied tribunal and hanged in 1948....more....



It is not a culture. You are filled with misguided hatred for your own country's culpability during and prior to the war. Stop disrespecting the Japanese.


Yuko Tojo is actually correct when she talks about "no culture" suggesting removal of Class A, B and C war criminals from those honoured at Yasukuni. This is not part of contemporary Japanese society because the whole conversation of why it's not right to 'enshrine' a group of psychopathic leaders who turned Japan into a fascist military barracks and copied Nazi Germany's pathologies, giving their own Japanese people the option of total war or mass suicide, has never been had in in any depth in Japan post WW2.

The idiotic "misguided hatred" and "stop disrespecting the Japanese" sentences are completely irrelevant to what Yuko Tojo thinks and says. She's made it clear that she doesn't want a conversation about Japan's fairly recent WW2 past because even now unlike post war Germany, Japan's elites including politicians refuse to change their mindsets at least publicly.

Koreans are furious and rightly so because there are Koreans who were drafted into Japan's imperial war machine who have been 'enshrined'. It is an insult to colonised Koreans to be associated with Yasukuni although admittedly there were Korean war criminals in the objective sense as well as Koreans who were keen to set up Korean 'comfort women' brothels . The fact that Koreans won't admit this part of their history except for a few of them still doesn't make contemporary Japan's refusal to deal with the Yasukini issue correct.
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