japanese: no common sense...heres why,

[blackcat]

Ah yes just another day or night in concrete land and there you have it.

ANOTHER japanese sitting in his/her can or truck going nowhere with ....you guessed it THE ENGINE ON

It could be any season, 5-35 degrees C.
just look around you, if a car is parked, and there is someone in it(japanese) 9/10 the engine will be ON. thats right.

trucks park in the middle on cities and the driver sprawled out asleep on the seat, or droves of taxis. never turn the engines off. or "BUSY" salarymen catching and hour or two of sleep, or monkeys playing with their stereos. or reading manga, or just staring out the window, and of course playing with phones.

so how long?? you ask just waiting?? weeellll NO

From what I have seen 1 hour is a daily occurance, 2-4 very common, and often the overnighter, yes 8 + glorious hours of sleeping in the car with the engine on NON STOP well every week.

ah yes lets waste oil, increase Grobaru temp. and of course make NEEDLESS NOISE. oh what fun it must be to be japanese and not be able to think for yourself and add 2+2.

So why?? why such silly madness so easily controlled by turning a key??

Is it the sound of the engine is like that of a rice cooker and reminds them of okasan making the bento

Or just trying to boost the GDP

or in line with all the other "environmental awareness"

or are they just fucking stupid??

or is it just me??

[Taro Toporific]

or are they just fucking stupid??

Yep, "fucking stupid" as a fox. A car with a RUNNING engine cannot get a parking ticket that costs 30,000 to 50,000yen and the loss of one's drivers license after three tickets in one year.

"Whimpiness" is another reason. Japanese climate is either too hot or cold for a good nap. "Why nap" in a car? Because the salarymen are not wanted at home.

It all sort of makes sense, doesn't it?

[40 Fl. oz.]

Japanese lack commom sense like it was going out of style. It's really quite unbelievable... At first it drove me completely nuts cus I was trying to fit in. Now that I've said fuck it, and done things like they should be done, I'm a lot happier.

[ramchop]

Yep, "fucking stupid" as a fox. A car with a RUNNING engine cannot get a parking ticket that costs 30,000 to 50,000yen and the loss of one's drivers license after three tickets in one year.

What's cheaper? The petrol or a parking space?

It might not be environmentally friendly but from a purely financial perspective I think leaving the engine running is probably far from stupid. As I understand it after a couple of years it's expensive for the car to pass an inspection so who cares if running the engine idle stuffs the motor, it'll be traded in for a newer model soon anyway.

And from the environmental perspective I'd wager that more people in Tokyo use public transport than in many western cities and are more than compensating for the actions of these "fucking stupid" drivers.

[blackcat]

makes financial sense MY ARSE. the pure cost of EVERY taxi running their bloody engines would cost far more oil, fuel and water than turning them off.



RAMCHOP are you serious?? cant you get the point
it is not the point that people in tokyo or wherever use more tranport than "western" cities, just another excuse to turn away from the problem...how typical in japan!!!

the point is it is needless to have your engine on for much of the time japs chose too. I have seen tour buses leave their engines on for hours while the tour is in progress.

the drivers are standing in front of the buses smoking(helping to destoy), and these are in bus parking zones where they wont be fined.

As I understand it after a couple of years it's expensive for the car to pass an inspection so who cares if running the engine idle stuffs the motor, it'll be traded in for a newer model soon anyway.

well that explains the throw away attitude of the japanese to perfection.

i just goes to show that japs are UNABLE to think for themselves and see the bigger picture.

[ramchop]

makes financial sense MY ARSE. the pure cost of EVERY taxi running their bloody engines would cost far more oil, fuel and water than turning them off.

Parking space 100yen/10mins. How much does petrol cost here? I could drive for an hour on that in NZ.

Turn your engine off and you're parking illegally. Wouldn't want to break the law.

Am I being serious? Only partially :P

[kotatsuneko]

just my tuppence , but if they introduced this common sense thing, then it`d get more and more like every other country..

isnt it american enough here without such dangerous concepts?

[GuyJean]

A car with a RUNNING engine cannot get a parking ticket that costs 30,000 to 50,000yen

A parking ticket!? What's that? Do the cops actually GIVE those here?.. And with someone in the car?.. Seriously doubt it.

I think they could avoid raising taxes if they would actually START enforcing parking violations.. But that would make the cops have to do something.

I actually think the reason people sit with their engines running, on a perfectly beautiful day, is because they think that, with the radio or TV on, it wears down the battery.. They've never heard of an alternator.. Of course, most city people haven't.

Solution to the problem: Potato in tailpipe.

[ramchop]

A parking ticket!? What's that? Do the cops actually GIVE those here?.. And with someone in the car?.. Seriously doubt it.

Seen many tickets written out, not while occupied though.

Just walked past one of these engine idlers in a paid parking space.

OK so a lot of them lack common sense, makes life here interesting. I prefer to view these things with a rather than a or a

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

makes financial sense MY ARSE. the pure cost of EVERY taxi running their bloody engines would cost far more oil, fuel and water than turning them off.



RAMCHOP are you serious?? cant you get the point
it is not the point that people in tokyo or wherever use more tranport than "western" cities, just another excuse to turn away from the problem...how typical in japan!!!

the point is it is needless to have your engine on for much of the time japs chose too. I have seen tour buses leave their engines on for hours while the tour is in progress.

the drivers are standing in front of the buses smoking(helping to destoy), and these are in bus parking zones where they wont be fined.

As I understand it after a couple of years it's expensive for the car to pass an inspection so who cares if running the engine idle stuffs the motor, it'll be traded in for a newer model soon anyway.

well that explains the throw away attitude of the japanese to perfection.

i just goes to show that japs are UNABLE to think for themselves and see the bigger picture.

Still the world's second largest economy dude and the bright lights of Tokyo, even after ten years plus of virtual non-stop recession, still burn brighter than the lights of Sydney or London or wherever your pathetic farmer boy ass is from. Who is missing the big picture. Maybe you are chief.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

A car with a RUNNING engine cannot get a parking ticket that costs 30,000 to 50,000yen

A parking ticket!? What's that? Do the cops actually GIVE those here?.. And with someone in the car?.. Seriously doubt it.

I think they could avoid raising taxes if they would actually START enforcing parking violations.. But that would make the cops have to do something.

I actually think the reason people sit with their engines running, on a perfectly beautiful day, is because they think that, with the radio or TV on, it wears down the battery.. They've never heard of an alternator.. Of course, most city people haven't.

Solution to the problem: Potato in tailpipe.

Uhh,,,, Guyjean,...for the alternator to generate juice the engine has to be on. Otherwise the thingamajiggeee called the fan belt doesn't turn the little doodad attached to the juice maker watchamakallit.

[ramchop]

Exactly. But you don't see me posting any "funny, strange Japan" stuff like Taro.

I never post any responses to that stuff either.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :P

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Exactly. But you don't see me posting any "funny, strange Japan" stuff like Taro.

I never post any responses to that stuff either.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :P

sometimes the idiots, you included, pull me out of lurk mode.

So long you swine from the festering lower intestine of humanity (i.e., New Zealand) .

[GuyJean]

Uhh,,,, Guyjean,...for the alternator to generate juice the engine has to be on.

So when the engine's turned on, it recharges the battery, doesn't it?

GJ

[40 Fl. oz.]

No, You have to be around 2-3K RPM's in order to charge the battery. at idle its getting nothing.

[GuyJean]

No, You have to be around 2-3K RPM's in order to charge the battery. at idle its getting nothing.

Thanks for the info.. So, I go back to my statement; I believe they THINK they are saving the battery's life by having the car running as they watch tv or listen to the radio... But they aren't, in reality. But why would reality change what people do?

Just what a couple of my students told me..

GJ

[GomiGirl]

I just sleep on the train... comfy seat, climate controled, occassional relaxing music, slight vibration/massaging effect, cheap and when I do wake up there is always the changing scenery...

If you ever see me sleeping in a car - call the police immediately as I have probably stolen it.. (don't own a car anymore)

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

No, You have to be around 2-3K RPM's in order to charge the battery. at idle its getting nothing.

Not true.

[blackcat]

yes all those bright Willtle Wights for the small minded of us that equates power or use of power as progress
NO so, Give me the parks and trees of Sydney or London any day of the concrete shit over here.

Anyway, parking fees or not, they do it EVERYWHERE including paid parking as you noticed "Ram"

I greet this with a as it is so wastefull and pointless, unless you enjoy breathing carbon monoxide???

It isnt that hard to see its a Habit, no one thinks for a second, just "I`m in the car.....duh so the engine should be on"

I think they feel that if the engine is ON, somehow they are "busy" or doing something.

These dickheads should befined for parking AND environmental damage.

but as i say, that would mean bieng responsable, impossible concept here.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

yes all those bright Willtle Wights for the small minded of us that equates power or use of power as progress
NO so, Give me the parks and trees of Sydney or London any day of the concrete shit over here.

Anyway, parking fees or not, they do it EVERYWHERE including paid parking as you noticed "Ram"

I greet this with a as it is so wastefull and pointless, unless you enjoy breathing carbon monoxide???

It isnt that hard to see its a Habit, no one thinks for a second, just "I`m in the car.....duh so the engine should be on"

I think they feel that if the engine is ON, somehow they are "busy" or doing something.

These dickheads should befined for parking AND environmental damage.

but as i say, that would mean bieng responsable, impossible concept here.

Yeah, Sydney and London are great. Too bad about the lack of work there. That is why you are in Japan.

[Jack]

Why always pick on Japan and Japanese behaviour? Go in any North American city (except maybe those in California) and you will see the tour buses parked for hours with their engines running. That is not unique to Japan.

[cstaylor]

I didn't know GomiGirl learned to sleep standing up. :P

[ramchop]

I greet this with a as it is so wastefull and pointless, unless you enjoy breathing carbon monoxide???

It's wasteful, but is it pointless? Sure the radio doesn't require that the engine be running, but the AC or heater does (unless you want a flat battery). Why shouldn't the Japanese be able to sleep in their cars in comfort? Might be a tiny increase in the comfort level, but then so many sources of pollution worldwide are due to tiny increases in comfort levels.

Do you pour such scorn on Westerners who drive a gas guzzling purple '62 Coupe de Vile? Or is that an environmentally friendly form of recycling?

Yeah, Sydney and London are great. Too bad about the lack of work there. That is why you are in Japan.

Gai, not sure how many of your verbal assaults hit the target (you seem to operate on the carpet bombing concept rather than using smart bombs), but I admire the confidence you have in your brash assumptions and generalisations. That barb certainly had me laughing

[blackcat]

I have been to many countries and I havent seen such a widespread habit like this anywhere.

It's wasteful, but is it pointless? Sure the radio doesn't require that the engine be running, but the AC or heater does (unless you want a flat battery). Why shouldn't the Japanese be able to sleep in their cars in comfort? Might be a tiny increase in the comfort level, but then so many sources of pollution worldwide are due to tiny increases in comfort levels.

Do you pour such scorn on Westerners who drive a gas guzzling purple '62 Coupe de Vile? Or is that an environmentally friendly form of recycling

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Well Ramchop, I think it is pointless, yesterday in the space of 10 mins cycle, I saw three trucks(occupants lazing or sleeping) and two cars, all idyling in the middle of the day,
WAS IT HOT...NO WAS IT COLD...NO but the engines were on as they 99% of the time are.

Why shouldnt they sleep in comfort? they should, so they should go home or to a capsule, or just turn their fucking engine OFF if they had a brain.

Its not usually That hot or that cold you would need your engine on for 3-8 hours. I dont mind someone sometimes leaving the engine on, but the EXTENT that it happens in japan is unbelievable.

The sad thing is the pathetic excuses for it. No ones going to tell me japanese love japan, they treat it like shit and make excuses, Mt fuji is a tip, that should be a world heritage area, and people just shrug. OH WELL.

you accuse me of not critizing western countries but thats BS as I do, case by case, topic by topic, there is a lot of enviromental damage going on everywhere...this is a classic case of stupidity on a large scale that should be so easy to stop. but i suppose people need to care first. and as i can see most dont.
They only need to put it on a shity game show on TV like when they mentioned "cocoa is good for you." you couldnt buy the stuff anywhere for weeks. Or how about some fines for these dumbasses??

laslty GAI... your feeble reply is barely worth a mention but I thnk there are many jobs in Sydney and London, and of course there are labour standards that are to some extent enforced, so you dont have to become a slave as in ...er other places not named due to hypersensitve reactions to critical comments.

[GuyJean]

The sad thing is the pathetic excuses for it. No ones going to tell me japanese love japan, they treat it like shit and make excuses, Mt fuji is a tip, that should be a world heritage area, and people just shrug. OH WELL.

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How cool is that?

Education is the key, IMO..

GJ

[ramchop]

Well Ramchop, I think it is pointless, yesterday in the space of 10 mins cycle, I saw three trucks(occupants lazing or sleeping) and two cars, all idyling in the middle of the day,
WAS IT HOT...NO WAS IT COLD...NO but the engines were on as they 99% of the time are.

You can cover quite a distance in a 10 minute cycle. Just how many trucks did you pass? How many cars? 3 trucks and 2 cars is 99%?

How many bicycles did you pass?


I don't take issue with the insults thrown at the engine idlers. They do deserve your scorn. It's the title of your thread which I find disturbing.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

laslty GAI... your feeble reply is barely worth a mention but I thnk there are many jobs in Sydney and London, and of course there are labour standards that are to some extent enforced, so you dont have to become a slave as in ...er other places not named due to hypersensitve reactions to critical comments.

If that were true why are you in Japan. Japan is a crazy country of insane workaholics. What's keeping you there? Frankly it's because Japan has a lot of things going for it. You just are starting to forget the shit about your own country.

[blackcat]

Ram:
Just to make it 100% clear!! I covered about 1KM, not much and the point is that when someone is in a car 9/10 the engine is ON.
I saw an article dated 1997 where a european wrote the exact same thing, he said regardless of season japanese never turn their engines off.

If they deserve my scorn....why so many excuses for them

As I said, I have never seen this anywhere else, esp. to this extreme
so the title of the thread is justified and accurate in my opinion.


Last year a guy wrote to the Kobe council and discovered that there was a law against Idyling, but of course since the law came into effect, NOT ONE fine issued in five years since the law began.

PATHETIC.

Gai:
I have heard this rant all too often, "If you dont like it....go home".
Why I`m here is my business thats that and yournow way of topic.
this is an issue of common sense that should be obvious.

Guyjean:
I agree, education (and willingness) is the key. you would think that you dont have to go to school to figure out the damage and pointlessness of idyling though wouldnt you?

But in japan as long as everyone does the same thing, its OK.

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

Gai:
I have heard this rant all too often, "If you dont like it....go home".
Why I`m here is my business thats that and yournow way of topic.
this is an issue of common sense that should be obvious.

Don't kid yourself Blackcat. We known damn well why you are in Japan. It's one country where foreign ner do wells can nearly do well (little talent required). At least it is one step above Korea which is haven to a contingent of foreign castaways so incompetent and scurvy that it would wake you up at night.

I KNOW YOUR SECRETS!!

[ramchop]

If they deserve my scorn....why so many excuses for them

As I said, I have never seen this anywhere else, esp. to this extreme
so the title of the thread is justified and accurate in my opinion.

To be honest I don't know why I've made any excuses for the engine idlers... I probably jumped on this thread as you're using one nonsensical acitivity by a small portion of the population to pass judgement on an entire nation. I find that disturbing.

Many people in Tokyo ride bicycles. Many walk. Many catch the train. Some own cars but only drive them on the weekend. Some sit in the car during their lunch break with the engine idling. The whole population must therefore be fucked.

Even more disturbing is that I find myself agreeing with Gai. If such instances of stupidity throw you into a rage why don't you get out? Especially if this stupidity is endemic to the entire nation.