Heretic Appears At Kendo Meet

[Mulboyne]

Photo: Asahi

At a national kendo event held at the Budokan, Nobuyuki Yamana from Tokushima showed off his two-sword technique made famous by legendary swordsman Musahi Miyamoto. It's the first time the style has been allowed at the championship since 1965 although the ban on teaching the technique in schools was lifted in 1992. Yamana didn't make it far into the event which was again dominated by Osaka policemen but said he was happy that he was able to appear on such a large stage.

[amdg]

I never realised that Kendo was done in bare feet.


But thanks for the link Mulb, 五輪書 (translated) was the first Japanese writing I ever read. Im not ashamed to say that I completely failed at understanding it.

[ttjereth]

[American Oyaji]

The bloody feet happen in most martial arts in Japan I'd say. I know there were lots of them in Aikido.

[L S]

Having never seen a two-sword technique, I was curious how a 2 vs. 1 match would look like. I couldn't find any video up from the event Mulb posted, but found this which was pretty cool to watch.
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[ttjereth]

The bloody feet happen in most martial arts in Japan I'd say. I know there were lots of them in Aikido.

I knew it happened in some karate classes as well, but in kendo it tended to be somewhat unique in that the beginner students usually spent hours just walking around the perimeter of whatever room was being used so there would be like this disgusting square trail of blood (and blood stains) around the periphery of the room.

[Behan]

In one of his books, there's a picture of Nakamura Sensei (中村泰三郎), who founded Nakamura-ryu Batto-do, doing nito-ryu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakamura-ry%C5%AB

Just thought I'd share this.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Kendo practicioners feet are pretty disgusting. Back when I used to be interested in such things, you could always tell when there where new people at the place where I practiced because of the streaks of blood on the floor from dragging your feet across the ground in the weird sliding/walking style they teach (and which the head of the school I went to made all beginners spend the majority of their 5-10 sessions on, just sliding around the room holding a shinai, needless to say a lot of people quit early on).

That's why I hate training in a traditional Japanese way. Even boxing gyms here make people spend years learning basic combinations before they let them spar. I used to train under a Pride fighter whose kick boxing coach wouldn't let him spar because he hadn't done it long enough even though he was an active professional MMA fighter. Fucking ridiculous.

[amdg]

I knew it happened in some karate classes as well, but in kendo it tended to be somewhat unique in that the beginner students usually spent hours just walking around the perimeter of whatever room was being used so there would be like this disgusting square trail of blood (and blood stains) around the periphery of the room.

Interesting. I met a guy a few years ago who has no ears, just waxy scar tissue around an earhole - all from being dragged/pushed into the ground for judo training. Hardcore.

[ttjereth]

That's why I hate training in a traditional Japanese way. Even boxing gyms here make people spend years learning basic combinations before they let them spar. I used to train under a Pride fighter whose kick boxing coach wouldn't let him spar because he hadn't done it long enough even though he was an active professional MMA fighter. Fucking ridiculous.

I ended up quitting kendo because I was really only mainly interested in sparring and playing around, not learning things by rote.

That and the teacher was something like 13th generation kendo hoody ha and a real prick.

Two of the beginner students were messing with their shinai after a class one day, playing star wars or something, I dunno, but anyway one of them ended up breaking the string that represents the back of the blade (mine-zuru).

So next time there is a class, he and the other guy have to explain to the teacher how the string got broke, so the teacher stops the class, has everyone sit (kneel) and listen as berates the two, calls them idiots, talks about how in all his years of kendo he had NEVER managed to break the string, blah blah blah, basically just humilates the hell out of them for 20 minutes, then at the end of it, he takes their shinai from them and kicks them out of the class anyway.

Then there was the one who beat the hell out of one of the students with a broomstick because he didn't clean the dorms to the coach's satisfaction...



(exucse any typos, just switched back to a Japanese keyboard for the first time in 3 years, damn midget space and backspace keys)

[ttjereth]

Interesting. I met a guy a few years ago who has no ears, just waxy scar tissue around an earhole - all from being dragged/pushed into the ground for judo training. Hardcore.

A lot of Judo practitioners end up with nasty cases of cauliflower ear. Even some of Japan's Olympic atheletes. That's why wrestlers tend to wear the headgear I guess. I guess for judo being deformed is just a sign of dedication



I really liked Judo, it was fun, but the cauliflower ears on all the longer-term guys, watching one guy get his arm broke, his own fault (and another guy get a nipple ring torn out ), and nearly separting my shoulder were enough to convince me to quit. I tend to hurt myself enough by accident without wantonly seeking new injuries

[kusai Jijii]

I know there were lots of them in Aikido.

Ahha...Now I get it. You are an aikido bunny. That makes sense...

Oh well.

[amdg]

A lot of Judo practitioners end up with nasty cases of cauliflower ear. Even some of Japan's Olympic atheletes. That's why wrestlers tend to wear the headgear I guess. I guess for judo being deformed is just a sign of dedication



I really liked Judo, it was fun, but the cauliflower ears on all the longer-term guys, watching one guy get his arm broke, his own fault (and another guy get a nipple ring torn out ), and nearly separting my shoulder were enough to convince me to quit. I tend to hurt myself enough by accident without wantonly seeking new injuries

Isn't cauliflower ears a boxing term? I'm not sure but I always though it meant "fucked up" ears. Like with lesions, swelling etc.

But this guy I met had literally no ears. No folds of skin or cartilage that protruded above the surface of his scalp.

[Greji]

Isn't cauliflower ears a boxing term? I'm not sure but I always though it meant "fucked up" ears. Like with lesions, swelling etc.

But this guy I met had literally no ears. No folds of skin or cartilage that protruded above the surface of his scalp.

Maybe it originated in boxing, but it is more common in sports that have wrestling techniques. That's were you really get to grind the ears into mush. Our security division is all ex-University Judo types and there ain't a whole ear among the whole lot of them. Since those door handles don't grow overnight, it is more or less, a badge of merit among them attesting to the fact they are judoka and also they have been at it long enought to mess up one or both ears.

[Takechanpoo]

By the way, Kendo is called Kumdo in kimchi peninsula.
And origin of Kendo is in Kimchi peninsula.
I really think so.

[ttjereth]

Isn't cauliflower ears a boxing term? I'm not sure but I always though it meant "fucked up" ears. Like with lesions, swelling etc.

But this guy I met had literally no ears. No folds of skin or cartilage that protruded above the surface of his scalp.

I'm not an authority or anything, but I always thought it was just a general term for the type of injury/deformity and not actually specific to any particular sport, although more common in some than others.

Just called that because the ear ends up all swollen and bumpy, looking (vaguely) like cauliflower.

It can result in having to have the ear, or parts of it, surgically removed (either to prevent further complications, or after development of other problems later).

The guy you are talking about might not have had lost his ears because of cauliflower ear (maybe they just got torn off?), but if it was from judo I'd say it's probable that it was cauliflower ear (I know a guy who is missing the better part of his right ear as well from leaving cauliflower ear untreated, and you can see it on A LOT of long term judo practitioners).

I guess it would have been a bit out of line to have asked him, "what the hell happened to your ears". ]...Cauliflower ear (also hematoma auris or perichondrial hematoma) is a condition most common among wrestlers, rugby players, mixed martial artists, and boxers. If the external portion of the ear suffers a blow, a blood clot or other fluid may collect under the perichondrium. This separates the cartilage from the overlying perichondrium that is its source of nutrients, causing the cartilage to die. When this happens, the outer ear becomes permanently swollen and deformed, thus resembling a cauliflower...

...The outer ear is prone to infections, so antibiotics are usually prescribed. If the pressure is left alone without medical intervention, the ear can suffer very serious damage. Pressure can build up and eventually rupture the ear drum. When this occurs, the ear may further wrinkle, and can become slightly pale; hence the common term "cauliflower ear". Should the ear drum rupture, the only treatment option is to heal the existing wound with stitches. Even with treatment, significant hearing loss may occur. Today, cosmetic procedures are available which can greatly improve the appearance of the ear, even though internal damage will persist...[/QUOTE]

It also has alink to a site which calls it "wrestler's cauliflower ear".

More info (and somewhat gross pictures, you are warned):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauliflower_ear
http://longislandwrestling.org/liwa/sportsmedicine/cauliflowerear.htm

[ttjereth]

[Samurai_Jerk]

Speaking of cauliflower ears, check out my avatar.

[ttjereth]

Wow, I was looking for more information on cauliflower ear and losing ears in sports in general (procrastinating on work ) and found this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Foley#Legacy

, during a WCW European tour, Foley and Vader had one of the most infamous matches in wrestling history in Munich, Germany. Foley began a hangman, a spot where a wrestler's head is tangled between the top two ring ropes, which is usually painful but safe.[25] However, unbeknownst to Foley, a wrestler (2 Cold Scorpio) had earlier complained that the ropes were too loose, resulting in the ring staff tightening the ropes to the maximum.[26] As Foley struggled to pull himself out, he tore off two-thirds of his ear and underwent surgery later that day to reattach the cartilage from the ear to his head, so that a total reconstruction would be possible in the future.[27] Later that year, Cactus Jack and Kevin Sullivan were scheduled to win the tag team titles at Slamboree 1994. Foley had to choose between reattaching his ear or wrestling in the PPV and winning the titles. Foley chose to wrestle and won his only championship in WCW.

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And if you're really interested here's the video of him losing his ear!

The damage occurs around 7:30 and the ear actually comes off (and is picked up by the ref!) at around 8:14!

Not gonna embed the video for the sake of the squemish (although you really can't see much), but here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJPLkrfW-KY

[Greji]

[ttjereth]

There apparently is a point where the ear will not recover. I had one with a little fold starting in it from a little to much newaza (mostly on the bottom), but when I stopped working out consistently, it cleared up after several months.

Apparently most cases of it are treatable if you get it handled within a few days of the injury, but once the cartilidge dies then the best you can hope for is it doesn't get any worse.

Never had it it personally, never really understood the reluctance to wear headgear in Judo either.

The sport itself is a lot of fun, but I don't feel the need to be maimed to prove my manhood

[Samurai_Jerk]

Apparently most cases of it are treatable if you get it handled within a few days of the injury, but once the cartilidge dies then the best you can hope for is it doesn't get any worse.

Never had it it personally, never really understood the reluctance to wear headgear in Judo either.

The sport itself is a lot of fun, but I don't feel the need to be maimed to prove my manhood

Is head gear allowed in judo matches?

[ttjereth]

Is head gear allowed in judo matches?

No. A lot of schools/teachers won't even allow it during practice.

The guy who taught me Judo was actually a really cool, easy going guy, married to an American girl, but even he didn't allow them. Part of the reason I quit, since I didn't want to make myself any uglier than necessary

That and I had no medical insurance of any kind at time, and several other students had recently been hurt pretty seriously (including a dumb ex-marine who broke his arm by trying to "power out" of an arm lock) and I figured my turn might be coming up soon

[Mulboyne]

Cauliflower ears are a hazard in rugby for anyone playing in the front row of the scrum. Second rowers can be affected too. Many players would tape up their ears but scrum caps are popular among younger players now because the designs are better.



Many players just accept the damage to their ears and keep them as a badge of honour. Others elect to get them fixed when they've stopped playing. Nowadays, a doctor can drain the ear and do some decent cosmetic work. Here's a fun video of an ear being drained:

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[ttjereth]

Cauliflower ears are a hazard in rugby for anyone playing in the front row of the scrum. Second rowers can be affected too. Many players would tape up their ears but scrum caps are popular among younger players now because the designs are better.



Many players just accept the damage to their ears and keep them as a badge of honour. Others elect to get them fixed when they've stopped playing. Nowadays, a doctor can drain the ear and do some decent cosmetic work. Here's a fun video of an ear being drained:

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[s]Assuming you watched that video just before posting it here, that was an amazing timing on it being taken down[/s]

Nevermind, not taken down, when I first tried to play it, it said "This video no longer available" ? =P

[American Oyaji]

That is what it is saying for me too.

[Greji]

The guy who taught me Judo was actually a really cool, easy going guy, married to an American girl, but even he didn't allow them.

That wouldn't have by chance been Okano Isao would it? He used to dribble me around the butcher shop at the Kodokan like Michael Jordan dribbling a basketball around the gym. He married a US girl and last I heard, had a dojo in Okinawa, although he may have returned to mainland Japan (I think he was from Ibaragi).

[ttjereth]

That is what it is saying for me too.

Click on the video itself and you can watch it at boobtube. Dunno what the deal is.

[ttjereth]

That wouldn't have by chance been Okano Isao would it? He used to dribble me around the butcher shop at the Kodokan like Michael Jordan dribbling a basketball around the gym. He married a US girl and last I heard, had a dojo in Okinawa, although he may have returned to mainland Japan (I think he was from Ibaragi).

No, different person, and honestly I can't remember his family name at the moment First name was Takeshi though.

[American Oyaji]

Click on the video itself and you can watch it at boobtube. Dunno what the deal is.

Thats what I ended up doing and on the site it says embedding is disabled.