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Postby Mulboyne » Fri May 09, 2008 5:26 pm

[floatr]Image[/floatr]Asahi: Japan to sign international parental abduction treaty
Japan will sign a treaty obliging the government to return to the rightful parent children of broken international marriages who are wrongfully taken and kept in Japan, sources said Friday. The Justice Ministry will begin work to review current laws with an eye on meeting requirements under the 1980 Hague Convention on Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction, the sources said. The government plans to sign the treaty as early as in 2010. The decision was reached amid criticism against Japan over unauthorized transfer and retention cases involving children. The governments of Canada and the United States have raised the issue with Japan and cited a number of incidents involving their nationals, blasting such acts as tantamount to abductions... Under the convention, signatory parties are obliged to set up a "central authority" within their government. The authority works two ways. It can demand other governments return children unlawfully transferred and retained. But it is also obliged to find the location within its own country of children unlawfully taken and retained, take measures to prevent the child from being moved out of the country, and support legal procedures to obtain the return of the child to the rightful parent. A court, in principle, must hand down an order for the return of the child to the place of habitual residence within six weeks of the claim. Sources said the Japanese government will likely set up a central authority within the Justice Ministry, which oversees immigration and family registry records. The ministry has decided to work on a new law that will detail the procedures for the child's return...more...

This Chunichi article (Japanese) says that it is not only pressure from the U.S. and Canada which has caused a rethink. More Japanese men are marrying women from other Asian countries and there are increasing incidents of children being taken away by the mother to China or the Philippines. These countries are also not signatories to the convention but if Japan signs an international treaty then there may also be more room to negotiate settlements in those cases.

See also related FG Threads: Protesting Japan's Hypocrisy at the Megumi Yokota LA Premiere and Japan Parental Child Abduction- U.S. State Dept. Warning. And here is the Japan Children's Rights Network website
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Postby AssKissinger » Fri May 09, 2008 6:12 pm

Those kids are much better off in Japan.
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Postby gkanai » Fri May 09, 2008 6:13 pm

Mulboyne wrote: More Japanese men are marrying women from other Asian countries and there are increasing incidence of children being taken away by the mother to China or the Philippines.


Zama miro!

Well, I for one am glad that Japan is signing the Hague Convention. I wonder if that means that Japanese women who've kidnapped their children will have to start providing access to the children's fathers after signing the treaty?
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Postby ttjereth » Fri May 09, 2008 8:55 pm

AssKissinger wrote:Those kids are much better off in Japan.


Yeah right. They're much better off even if their mother's are psychotic enough to kidnap them, or even if the only reason their mothers took them is to get back at the foreign ex-husband right

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Postby Mock Cockpit » Fri May 09, 2008 9:33 pm

That's good news. I wonder if the J govt will take the opportunity to update their family law structures as well. Nice to dream I suppose.
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Postby xenomorph42 » Sat May 10, 2008 12:11 am

At least it's a start. Like everything new to get all the kinks out and to get it properly implemented might take some time, but all in all, it is something to mildly put...celebrate about.
For far too long Japan was waaaay out of control with this issue and too many Whacked out of their minds women take advantage of this one-sided, biased and racist decision where usually the foreigners are the one's getting stiffed. But some women in Japan really feel that, once you break up with them, you as a father or boyfriend cease to exist and you have absolute NO RIGHTS whatsoever.:shake:

I hope the Hauge Convention will change these kind of crazy situations.
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Postby james » Sat May 10, 2008 9:04 am

this is definitely a positive development for sure. the real test will come when it actually has to be enforced. like others said, hopefully it's a lead in to other general changes concerning family law, vis-a-vis divorce, custody and fathers' rights.
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Postby alicia454 » Sat May 10, 2008 1:54 pm

This is rare good news about improvements to the human rights situation in Japan, and I wish to express my appreciation to those who were actively supporting this and helped to make it happen.

Good stuff! Congrats. :D

PS. I am still single and don't have any children, but it is nice to know that if I do get involved with a Japanese man, I would have some protection to my parental rights should things go sour.
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Postby james » Sat May 10, 2008 7:20 pm

alicia454 wrote:PS. I am still single and don't have any children, but it is nice to know that if I do get involved with a Japanese man, I would have some protection to my parental rights should things go sour.


my advice on marriage: don't.

now, with that out of the way, you'd still have to be careful if things went sour and probably file for a divorce / custody hearing outside of japan.

being signatory to the hague convention would not in any way require japanese courts to allow joint custody, something which still does not exist in this country. as a foreign parent, the likelihood of your being awarded custody is still gonna be damn near zero. i have no doubt that the japanese court system will be as watertight as a frog's ass when it comes to shutting the door on foreign spouses.
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Postby blackcat » Sat May 10, 2008 11:55 pm

" More Japanese men are marrying women from other Asian countries and there are increasing incidents of children being taken away by the mother to China or the Philippines"

THATS the only reason they (finally 28 years late) give a fuck. All of a sudden its happening TO them and thats the only way japanese men understand anything.

GOOD Japan now start returning all the many children that were kidnapped by J parents....N Korea....two faced pricks!!!
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Postby AssKissinger » Sat May 10, 2008 11:58 pm

Maybe people need to start thinking twice about who they make babies with.
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Postby james » Sun May 11, 2008 12:01 am

blackcat wrote:THATS the only reason they (finally 28 years late) give a fuck. All of a sudden its happening TO them and thats the only way japanese men understand anything.

GOOD Japan now start returning all the many children that were kidnapped by J parents....N Korea....two faced pricks!!!


agreed 100%.
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Postby xenomorph42 » Sun May 11, 2008 8:57 am

blackcat wrote:" More Japanese men are marrying women from other Asian countries and there are increasing incidents of children being taken away by the mother to China or the Philippines"

THATS the only reason they (finally 28 years late) give a fuck. All of a sudden its happening TO them and thats the only way japanese men understand anything.

GOOD Japan now start returning all the many children that were kidnapped by J parents....N Korea....two faced pricks!!!


Amen, dead on! I will drink to that!
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Postby xenomorph42 » Sun May 11, 2008 9:02 am

AssKissinger wrote:Maybe people need to start thinking twice about who they make babies with.


That is not really fair to say. Some people change. Things can be rosy at first and then all of a sudden, people can fall out for whatever reason. These kind of situations happen all the time. You can't generalize like that.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Sun May 11, 2008 10:09 am

xenomorph42 wrote:That is not really fair to say. Some people change. Things can be rosy at first and then all of a sudden, people can fall out for whatever reason. These kind of situations happen all the time. You can't generalize like that.


Bullshit. The signs are generally there. People just choose to ignore them because they're "in love".
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Postby American Oyaji » Sun May 11, 2008 11:26 am

You're both right. Some relationships do have warning signs up front, others do not.
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Postby maraboutslim » Sun May 11, 2008 11:31 am

Agreed. I can't imagine making babies with someone that I didn't want to raise my kids. I mean, shit, if my wife is so evil that I would find it better for the kids to be with their father than their mother, then I really screwed up in my choice of mates.
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Postby xenomorph42 » Sun May 11, 2008 12:37 pm

American Oyaji wrote:You're both right. Some relationships do have warning signs up front, others do not.


That is exactly the point I was trying to make, some do have warning signs, saying, "Run for your life" while others you just simply can't tell, if that were the case, there wouldn't be any divorces.
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Postby Western All Stars » Sun May 11, 2008 1:30 pm

I wonder if it can be applied retroactively. Article 39 of the constitution prohibits ex post facto, but maybe the treaty has something allowing it. Good news for a lot of really FG though.
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Postby james » Sun May 11, 2008 2:45 pm

Western All Stars wrote:I wonder if it can be applied retroactively. Article 39 of the constitution prohibits ex post facto, but maybe the treaty has something allowing it. Good news for a lot of really FG though.


from what i seem to remember reading on the crn website, even once japan becomes signatory to the hague, it would not be applied retroactively and will be of little use to those whom have already been screwed.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Mon May 12, 2008 8:15 pm

American Oyaji wrote:You're both right. Some relationships do have warning signs up front, others do not.


I would say 99.9% have warning signs.
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Postby xenomorph42 » Wed May 14, 2008 11:30 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:I would say 99.9% have warning signs.


Nope, maybe 50%
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Postby Adhesive » Wed May 14, 2008 12:06 pm

xenomorph42 wrote:Nope, maybe 50%


Well, maybe warning signs do exist 99% of the time, but that certainly doesn't mean that every person is capable of picking up on them. Sure, there is a lot of blame to be given to people who willfully ignore the signs, but then there are a lot people who are just inept at seeing these things, for one reason or another. I imagine it often stems from the relationship skills they gleaned from their own chaotic parents. That being said, I don't think that the consequence of poor relationship skills should be as dire as having your child stolen away to a foreign country never to be seen again. It's great that Japan is making progress in that regard, whatever the reason.
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Postby AssKissinger » Wed May 14, 2008 7:40 pm

So don't have a fucking kid. Jesus we're up around 6.7 billion already. Unless your shit is so fucking set there ain't no Goddamn way anything could go wrong DON'T HAVE A FUCKING KID. I hate these Goddamn don't take care of their kids for whatever fucking reason. Whine: The Japanese stole my kid waaaaaa. Fuck you for having the kid in the first place. Another kid in a fucked up situation and I blame you for bringing it into this world. You weren't fucking ready and the proof is in the pudding. Fucking pathetic slaves to biology. Christ it's sickening.
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Postby Greji » Wed May 14, 2008 8:35 pm

AssKissinger wrote:So don't have a fucking kid. Jesus we're up around 6.7 billion already. Unless your shit is so fucking set there ain't no Goddamn way anything could go wrong DON'T HAVE A FUCKING KID. I hate these Goddamn don't take care of their kids for whatever fucking reason. Whine: The Japanese stole my kid waaaaaa. Fuck you for having the kid in the first place. Another kid in a fucked up situation and I blame you for bringing it into this world. You weren't fucking ready and the proof is in the pudding. Fucking pathetic slaves to biology. Christ it's sickening.


Bit late from there, but you can't bitch about the way they're made!
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed May 14, 2008 10:42 pm

AssKissinger wrote:So don't have a fucking kid. Jesus we're up around 6.7 billion already. Unless your shit is so fucking set there ain't no Goddamn way anything could go wrong DON'T HAVE A FUCKING KID. I hate these Goddamn don't take care of their kids for whatever fucking reason. Whine: The Japanese stole my kid waaaaaa. Fuck you for having the kid in the first place. Another kid in a fucked up situation and I blame you for bringing it into this world. You weren't fucking ready and the proof is in the pudding. Fucking pathetic slaves to biology. Christ it's sickening.


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Postby xenomorph42 » Thu May 15, 2008 1:44 pm

AssKissinger wrote:So don't have a fucking kid. Jesus we're up around 6.7 billion already. Unless your shit is so fucking set there ain't no Goddamn way anything could go wrong DON'T HAVE A FUCKING KID. I hate these Goddamn don't take care of their kids for whatever fucking reason. Whine: The Japanese stole my kid waaaaaa. Fuck you for having the kid in the first place. Another kid in a fucked up situation and I blame you for bringing it into this world. You weren't fucking ready and the proof is in the pudding. Fucking pathetic slaves to biology. Christ it's sickening.


In part, I kinda agree with you, but on the other hand, you just can't generalize , no matter how good your "shit" is! These thing's "can" happen not only when it comes to relationships, but you can apply it to everyday life, that people street-smart, book-smart, shred, you can hosed anytime and anyone, think about it for a moment, Ted Bundy was convincing, China didn't see that earthquake coming either(ouch)once you have kids, life takes on many changes and situations don't necessary fall into place in the way they should. Life just doesn't work that way. So your analogy is slightly off.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu May 15, 2008 9:26 pm

xenomorph42 wrote:In part, I kinda agree with you, but on the other hand, you just can't generalize , no matter how good your "shit" is! These thing's "can" happen not only when it comes to relationships, but you can apply it to everyday life, that people street-smart, book-smart, shred, you can hosed anytime and anyone, think about it for a moment, Ted Bundy was convincing, China didn't see that earthquake coming either(ouch)once you have kids, life takes on many changes and situations don't necessary fall into place in the way they should. Life just doesn't work that way. So your analogy is slightly off.


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Postby Ryan_Borger » Thu May 22, 2008 12:31 pm

AssKissinger wrote:So don't have a fucking kid. Jesus we're up around 6.7 billion already. Unless your shit is so fucking set there ain't no Goddamn way anything could go wrong DON'T HAVE A FUCKING KID. I hate these Goddamn don't take care of their kids for whatever fucking reason. Whine: The Japanese stole my kid waaaaaa. Fuck you for having the kid in the first place. Another kid in a fucked up situation and I blame you for bringing it into this world. You weren't fucking ready and the proof is in the pudding. Fucking pathetic slaves to biology. Christ it's sickening.


Ok I had to sign up just to address this. How can you possibly over generalize in the way you are? I was with my wife over 8 years and married 7 of them. Had 3 kids, and NEVER EVER thought she would do this. 3 kids, youngest just turned 1 this week. My first little boy. 2 girls ages 7 and 3. I love them beyond measure. The only way right now I could get them back would be to hire a security force and remove them physically from my wife and her family. Since that would more than likely make me wind up in prison, Im really hoping along with everyone else in the same situation that the hague convention signing MIGHT give us leverage to get back our kids that we love. I run JapanChildAbduction.com hope no one gets upset about posting the site here. It is not spam, and I do not profit at all from it. I think you are just trying to get people riled up. No one can think the way you do.
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