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MeinJapanLongTime wrote:I'm the ultimate white guy in Japan and have NEVER been stopped like you guys are talking about in over 17 years. And if I get stopped for a random security check, I always cooperate fully--it's their job to check things out. Kudos to them for making the checks to keep us safe.
MeinJapanLongTime wrote:So...when do the separate bathrooms and water fountains go up?
If you've got a security profile, that's all well and good. Those folks need to be checked. However, if I, as the bad guy, know what kind of folks you're looking for, I will attempt to recruit folks you're not looking for.
As the folks doing the inspecting, you really need to do some routine checks of folks not meeting your profile just to keep the bad guys off balance.
I don't think that's too much to ask for.
And, I'm the ultimate white guy in Japan and have NEVER been stopped like you guys are talking about in over 17 years. And if I get stopped for a random security check, I always cooperate fully--it's their job to check things out. Kudos to them for making the checks to keep us safe.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:as i highlighted in debito's blog translation, here again is the problem of semantics and the improper use of terminology to describe a person here. he is not 'a japanese'. he is a 'japanese citizen'(if indeed he holds citizenship, otherwise he's a 'permanent resident'. i think i read that he's got an american passport as well, so perhaps he is a 'dual citizen'. regardless, he is NOT 'a japanese').
i'd also like to add that it is not illegal for japanese police to request to see the ID of someone, so his indignation at still being asked for his ID after he said 'i'm a japanese' is just pointless and if he'd just shown the ID instead of getting into a discussion about it, he wouldn't have missed his train.
omae mona wrote:If I recall, he gave up his US citizenship in a very dramatic visit to the US Consulate some years back. As for the semantics, what is your definition of "Japanese"?
I am not sure what the rules are for police, but I am almost certain that there is no requirement for Japanese citizens to carry ID at any time. Perhaps he didn't have anything on him? As an example, Mrs. Omae Mona (a Japanese national) normally goes out with nothing bearing her name except for a credit card, and the name on it doesn't even match her legal name in Japan. On a side note, I really would love to strip her of this unnecessary ID. The damage it causes goes far beyond privacy concerns.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:what i've highlighted in xenomorph's quote pretty much sums it up. know who you are and where your place is, respect your hosts but don't necessarily except that respect reciprocated, learn and listen and love and live. that's all any of us can do. and if you don't like it, as was said elsewhere in this thread, there's always an express train to narita (or KIX or any other airport)...no one is forcing you to stay.
i hadn't heard of this debito character until now, but he's exactly the type that makes life for FGs worse here. why start in on accusations of racial profiling? of COURSE racial profiling happens here, not unlike the way it happens in america and many other countries. yes, it's annoying. yes, it's not 'right', but again...if it's such an inconvenience to you morally or timewise, then leave japan. you're only aggravating yourself.
as i highlighted in debito's blog translation, here again is the problem of semantics and the improper use of terminology to describe a person here. he is not 'a japanese'. he is a 'japanese citizen'(if indeed he holds citizenship, otherwise he's a 'permanent resident'. i think i read that he's got an american passport as well, so perhaps he is a 'dual citizen'. regardless, he is NOT 'a japanese').
i'd also like to add that it is not illegal for japanese police to request to see the ID of someone, so his indignation at still being asked for his ID after he said 'i'm a japanese' is just pointless and if he'd just shown the ID instead of getting into a discussion about it, he wouldn't have missed his train.
Behan wrote:I agree with you that we FGs need to respect our hosts' country but for us FGs who have put down roots here it's not a simple matter to hop on a plane and leave. A lot of us have family ties or economic reasons why we want to or need to be here.
Rather than leaving what's wrong with fighting racism, or to at least get the ball moving.
Sure, racial profiling happens else where but that doesn't make it OK. It's wrong wherever it happens.
You say that Debito is misusing the word 'Japanese' but why is your definition of it right and his wrong. Surely he is aware of how the term is used. Is his usage of the term 'Japanese' wrong just because you say it is?
Why wouldn't a person with Japanese citizenry be 'Japanese'? What about people of other skins colors who have been born and raised in Japan? Should they leave the country if they don't like being asked to produce their passports? Some 'halves' look pretty foreign even though they have been raised linguistically, culturally, and politically(passport-wise) as Japanese.
Instead of us FGs leaving why can't we hope that Japanese authorities will wake up and stop racial profiling.
I don't know if Debito has dual citizenship but as I remember he tried to give up his American citizenship.
I don't think Debito makes things worse for FGs. Probably most of the natives don't even know who he is. I have never heard him mentioned by anyone but FGs.
You may be correct that it's not illegal for police to ask you to produce ID but it is racial profiling to ask you to do so just because you have a different skin color. Are you more likely to be a criminal because you don't have East Asian physical features?
If a person, etnically Japanese or otherwise, were acting suspiciously and gave the police reason to believe they might be committing some crime, then sure, go ahead and investigate.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:from the dictionary of cyka:
a japanese-someone who is ethnically japanese
japanese-the primary language spoken in japan
japanese citizen-a person who holds a japan passport, either through birth or naturalisation, who may or may not be ethnically japanese
we all know that the rules for foreigners and for japanese citizens are different. and we all know that people who have faces that are not ethnically japanese looking, even if they hold japanese citizenship, are going to stand out and are potential targets for racial profiling/random ID checks/discrimination at various japanese-only establishments. on the same token, people who look japanese yet were born and raised in the west and can't speak a lick of japanese will find themselves equally annoyed that all japanese will assume they speak the language.
as has been said time and time again, the choice to be a foreign face in japan is yours. good on you for making the effort to learn the language and rules and customs and things that will earn you respect for trying. if you're ever going to expect to be 'one of them', then book the next flight out, because that's never going to happen. instead acknowledge and celebrate the differences and enjoy being 'special'.
xenomorph42 wrote:What does that mean, "Ultimate White Guy?"
kusai Jijii wrote:Nah mate, you just dont get out that much.
Oh, and if you think 'they' are keeping 'us' safe by whipping up fear of an imagined threat among the idiotic masses here, you might like to start up your own thread - I bet you'd give this one on that nut job Benji Fulford a right run for its money.
Cyka UchuuJin wrote:from the dictionary of cyka:
a japanese-someone who is ethnically japanese
japanese-the primary language spoken in japan
japanese citizen-a person who holds a japan passport, either through birth or naturalisation, who may or may not be ethnically japanese
we all know that the rules for foreigners and for japanese citizens are different. and we all know that people who have faces that are not ethnically japanese looking, even if they hold japanese citizenship, are going to stand out and are potential targets for racial profiling/random ID checks/discrimination at various japanese-only establishments. on the same token, people who look japanese yet were born and raised in the west and can't speak a lick of japanese will find themselves equally annoyed that all japanese will assume they speak the language.
as has been said time and time again, the choice to be a foreign face in japan is yours. good on you for making the effort to learn the language and rules and customs and things that will earn you respect for trying. if you're ever going to expect to be 'one of them', then book the next flight out, because that's never going to happen. instead acknowledge and celebrate the differences and enjoy being 'special'.
MeinJapanLongTime wrote:Know who you are where you are and stay away from troublesome areas (i.e. the heavy-drinking bar scene and related areas) and you should be fine--in most cases (caveat for those with real problems in their nieghborhoods).
kusai Jijii wrote:You still have not addressed the initial issue of whether or not asking for I.D. actualy makes anyone safer. I don't think it does. I think its simple window dressing.
kusai Jijii wrote:You still have not addressed the initial issue of whether or not asking for I.D. actualy makes anyone safer. I don't think it does. I think its simple window dressing.
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nottu wrote:Lucky for you, your wanderings and rootings didn't happen in North Korea or Bhutan - then you'd truly be a FG.
Yes the Social Contract - so ingrained in the American psyche that the average American can't understand that there may be democaracy without it.
The Social Contract - what a concept - both high-minded and destructive at once - and because of its deep-seated nature in the Western (especially American) cultural belief system, its an interesting place to develop awareness of cultural chauvenism.
MeinJapanLongTime wrote: stay away from troublesome areas (i.e. the heavy-drinking bar scene and related areas) and you should be fine
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xenomorph42 wrote:Like I said before, there is no way on God's green earth could he ever and I mean, ever have gotten away with that kind of ranting in my neighborhood. LA gangs, like "MS-13, 18th" st. even the "Russians" would have taken him out probably within a few days following that stunt and most likely take out anyone associated with that nut.
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xenomorph42 wrote:Like I said before, there is no way on God's green earth could he ever and I mean, ever have gotten away with that kind of ranting in my neighborhood. LA gangs, like "MS-13, 18th" st. even the "Russians"... blah blah blah
kusai Jijii wrote:Sorry, but it never fails to amaze me how many Americans get on this website about FG in JAPAN and start informing us about what would and would not be tollerated back home in the good ol' US of fuckin' A.
kusai Jijii wrote:Sorry, but it never fails to amaze me how many Americans get on this website about FG in JAPAN and start informing us about what would and would not be tollerated back home in the good ol' US of fuckin' A. Just to be clear, he's not in LA, he's in Kobe. And he's not lippin' MS-13, he's dissin' the fucking brainless cunty softcock yak cunts in JAPAN. And even then, he's only half-dissin' them, cause he keeps telling them how he wants no trouble from them, and how its not his intent to be rude to them etc...
If I wanted to know all about the cultural tapestry of the United States from the viewpoint of foreigners, I'd log onto Fuckedgreencardholdersandillegalaliens.com or some such site. But I dont, so thats why I come here. Just my 2 yens worth.
I will agree with you on this though - he IS a fucking NUTJOB.
Greji wrote:Hey Ji, just cause we didn't have Ned Kelly, doesn't mean we didn't have some harry dudes (just not many good blacksmiths:p ).
But getting back to Kobe, I don't know what this nub is trying to prove. If he doesn't want them on his ass, it would seem like he shouldn't be trying to give them a wedgie. I mean they normally don't want to pursue the small shit, but, sooner or later, he's going to piss somebody off, and they're going to step on his johnson big time.
The dude dings when he walks.
Captain Japan wrote:In today's entry, it would seem that he was offered a bodyguard by the cops but he refused stating that it was a waste of taxpayer money.
Captain Japan wrote:In today's entry, it would seem that he was offered a bodyguard by the cops but he refused stating that it was a waste of taxpayer money.
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