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Whales Lead Fight Against Metabolic Syndrome

Postby Mulboyne » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:54 am

[floatr]Image[/floatr]Guardian: Whales losing blubber, claims controversial Japanese study
...Japan's scientists claim their controversial whaling programme has produced a key finding. Measurements taken from more than 4,500 minke whales slaughtered since the late 1980s reveal the animals have lost significant amounts of blubber, and are getting thinner at a worrying speed. The team says its study offers the first evidence that global warming could be harming whales, because it restricts their food supplies. And they say the discovery could only have been made by killing the animals. Crucially for the Japanese, the results have been published in a mainstream western scientific journal – a move that has dismayed campaigners, who say it could offer scientific whaling a veneer of respectability, and bolster Japan's efforts to hunt more whales...Lars Walloe, a Norwegian whale expert at the University of Oslo, who helped the Japanese team analyse the data, and is listed as an author on the new study, said: "This is a big change in blubber and if it continues it could make it more difficult for the whales to survive. It indicates there have been some big changes in their ecosystem"...Two journals refused to print the findings before they were accepted by Polar Biology, which published them online last month. Walloe, who says he does not support the current ban on commercial whaling, claimed that the journals that turned down the study did so for political, not scientific, reasons...more...
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Postby Kagetsu » Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:38 pm

So increase the quota and hope we find a solution before global warming kills the rest off? OKAY!

Is this the only 'valid' finding the research has come up with to date?

Interesting read though.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:57 pm

As always, anti-whalers can do nothing but faultfinding.
They never refer to the reason itself why human must not eat whale meat.
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Postby Midwinter » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:14 pm

I'd lose my appetite too if there was a fleet of little yellow people trying to stick me with their spears.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:11 pm

It'd be even tougher to eat if there were a bunch of leather face Australians sitting across the table from you.
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Postby Behan » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:55 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:As always, anti-whalers can do nothing but faultfinding.
They never refer to the reason itself why human must not eat whale meat.


If whales are OK to eat why not pseudo-Chrysanthemum otaku trolls?

Buwahahahahahaha.

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Postby Kagetsu » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:31 am

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Postby Greji » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:02 am

Kagetsu wrote:We know global warming on some level is occurring currently on Earth.
We have the proof that climates and zones are changing.
We have evidence suggesting that human involvement is a contributing factor in global pollutants and climate change..


The question here, is who is the "we" in the above statements. It does not include the opinions of a lot of people, myself included. You need a new thread for this. It could get bloody.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:22 pm

Kagetsu wrote:blah blah blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Are you fuckin OK? I wholeheartedly feel sorry for you.
Needless to say, Japan hunt whales under the name of scientific research because of IWC moratorium. So if this fuckin groundless IWC moratorium is rifted, we Japanese need not to hunt and eat cute whales under the name of scientific research any more. No one think Japan really do scientific research like you.
Blaming whether Japan really do research or not is nothing but a findfaulting, too.
Before doing findfaulting, explain logically the reason why human must not hunt and eat whales. If you anti-whalers cannot logically explain it, you have no justification to blame Japan for hunting and eating whales. Dont deceive it.
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Postby GomiGirl » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:28 pm

Take - the problem here is in the logic - or lack thereof. Everybody knows that Japan is hunting whales for food and is using this stupid loophole of scientific research as a way to do it. It is a joke and a farce.

I personally think that Japan has been vilified uneccessarily for the eating of whales - it is a traditional food source and Japanese whaling has NEVER endangered whale numbers. That was done by Western whalers after the oil and not the meat. But now that people love to whale watch and they are such beautiful creatures etc, the West have forgotten that not so long ago, they were hunted almost to the point of extinction. But Japan seems to be the only country responsible. This is flawed logic.

HOWEVER, hiding behind the farce of scientific research is ludicrous. Personally I think Japan should be loud and proud about their traditional food customs. Hiding behind scientific research excuses makes Japan look guilty of something that it is not infact guilty of. Again this is flawed logic.

There is too much emotion over this and not enough common sense IMHO.

I personally do not care for eating whales but then it is my choice not to eat them. However, I don't believe that other people should not have the choice of eating whale if they like. I really could care less about what other people want to eat - well if it was small children or pet animals I would be alarmed but otherwise, I could give a flying fuck.
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Postby Kagetsu » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:05 pm

I know Japan doesn't do scientific research with their kill Take.
What I'm stating is something we (being anybody in their right mind) knows... The IWC is debunk.
And I don't believe anywhere in there I personally suggested that people can't eat whales. As the dominant species on the planet, we've (more or less, with a very pig headed manner) earned the right to hunt as we will.
We also, in a more honorable way, have earned the necessity to protect as much of it as we can.

However, I will add that regardless of who has rights or not... Japan does not recognise the claims in Antarctica.
What traditional right (if Japan WERE to throw away it's membership to the IWC) would they excersise over hunting whales in the Southern Ocean?
Obviously the result could be debated endlessly.

As for logic Take, logically humans shouldn't be eating anything but land based fauna and flora, and at the most shoreline hanging creatures... (which include dolphins and small cetatious creatures). But really... Humans are hardly logical. If we were, we'd have no war, we would all live in harmony, in a utopia.

Also, by we, I refer to the 'global community'... Majority rule. Personally my opinion on global warming differs from the majority.

But I do stand behind the idea... There's no harm in being conservative, and protective of the environment.
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Postby Charles » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:30 pm

Kagetsu wrote:I know Japan doesn't do scientific research with their kill Take.

There are ways to research what whales eat and excrete, without killing them.

But only ozzies would research whale farts.
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Postby Kagetsu » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:51 pm

Too true. ^O^
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:01 pm

Kagetsu wrote:As for logic Take, logically humans shouldn't be eating anything but land based fauna and flora, and at the most shoreline hanging creatures... (which include dolphins and small cetatious creatures). But really... Humans are hardly logical. If we were, we'd have no war, we would all live in harmony, in a utopia.


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Postby Takechanpoo » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:58 pm

Kagetsu wrote:I know Japan doesn't do scientific research with their kill Take.
What I'm stating is something we (being anybody in their right mind) knows... The IWC is debunk.
And I don't believe anywhere in there I personally suggested that people can't eat whales. As the dominant species on the planet, we've (more or less, with a very pig headed manner) earned the right to hunt as we will.
We also, in a more honorable way, have earned the necessity to protect as much of it as we can.

However, I will add that regardless of who has rights or not... Japan does not recognise the claims in Antarctica.
What traditional right (if Japan WERE to throw away it's membership to the IWC) would they excersise over hunting whales in the Southern Ocean?
Obviously the result could be debated endlessly.

As for logic Take, logically humans shouldn't be eating anything but land based fauna and flora, and at the most shoreline hanging creatures... (which include dolphins and small cetatious creatures). But really... Humans are hardly logical. If we were, we'd have no war, we would all live in harmony, in a utopia.

Also, by we, I refer to the 'global community'... Majority rule. Personally my opinion on global warming differs from the majority.

But I do stand behind the idea... There's no harm in being conservative, and protective of the environment.

Anyway, I do understand you seem to belong to a whale cult organization.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:08 pm

GomiGirl wrote:HOWEVER, hiding behind the farce of scientific research is ludicrous. Personally I think Japan should be loud and proud about their traditional food customs. Hiding behind scientific research excuses makes Japan look guilty of something that it is not infact guilty of. Again this is flawed logic.


So as I said repeatedly, if IWC moratorium, which already has had no basis, is discarded, Japan needn't to "hide behind the farce of scientific research" any more.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:35 pm

bikkle wrote:Image

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300 grams of meat for 4 people?
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Postby GomiGirl » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:04 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:So as I said repeatedly, if IWC moratorium, which already has had no basis, is discarded, Japan needn't to "hide behind the farce of scientific research" any more.
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No, Japan is saying to the world that the research is important and necessary which is why they need to keep up the whaling. This is such a lie and pretending it is true is making Japanese whaling and the people who support it look stupid.

I think the world would have more respect and understanding if Japan stopped telling this lie and came out and said this was a traditional food source.

I look at from aspect of how people in India view the eating of beef in other countries. Indians wouldn't tell other people to stop eating a traditional food source just because they don't eat it.

The other issue is that whaling in another country's waters is not a good thing. I think the Indians would have something to say if beef eaters came over to India to kill cows to provide food back home.
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