[American Oyaji]

I once took 2 girls back to my dorm room when I was in the USAF. I took them to breakfast the next morning. Everyone assumed I had screwed them. I probably could have if I hadn't been so drunk. We just slept.

Anyway, I have never been part of any sort of train or tag team. That just makes me low and lowers the woman as well.
Am I a prude? Probably. Am I a homophobe? No, but I'll tell a gay person to straighten out in a minute. I used to have gay friends. Not anymore. I have decided to not give in to the little evils. If something is wrong, I wont have anything to with any person that is into that.

Anyway, sex after marriage is always best. No disease. No experience. 2 people who love each other accomodating each other without judging the other's technique or size or lack thereof.

[Andocrates]

I can honestly say I've never banged a girl after someone else. I am proud of that fact. I can say this, I've tripled up on a girl with two buds.. you can rest assured I was first

Well, I'm proud to say I never slept with a girl I didn't have some sort of relationship with, I never did any group sex thing. I always cared about a girl before it got to that stage.

[kotatsuneko]

hmm i dont see how you can call being gay or having gay sex wrong.. surely if you are both consenting adults, a fuck is a fuck , i dont see how it is any different to "straight" sex... for them it is "straight sex" surely..

just my opinion tho

[hanabi]

Am I a homophobe? No, but I'll tell a gay person to straighten out in a minute. I used to have gay friends. Not anymore. I have decided to not give in to the little evils. If something is wrong, I wont have anything to with any person that is into that.

What??? "Straighten out?" Apparently, you are a homophobe. Is gay sex so deliciously decadent that you see it as a choice that "straight" people just surrender to?

Word to kotatsuneko on the consenting adults thing.

[ramchop]

What??? "Straighten out?" Apparently, you are a homophobe. Is gay sex so deliciously decadent that you see it as a choice that "straight" people just surrender to?

I do disagree with AO's viewpoint. I said I find it disgusting not wrong. Natto is disgusting, but is it wrong?


But just to stir the pot a bit:

...the PC viewpoint seems to be that male vs female psychology is a nurture thing rather than a nature thing.

...the PC viewpoint seems to be that homosexuality (I'm born that way, it's not a choice) is a nature not a nurture thing.

Why the difference?

[kotatsuneko]

who cares as long as you enjoy yourself?

a mate of mine, from african parents, but brought up in an adoptive white middle class family suddenly found out on holiday in america that he was gay in his early 20s, and since then became a much happier person, after going through the hell of coming out , he didnt have to , but chose to and he's like a different person, its great to see him so at ease with himself...

[Andocrates]

What??? "Straighten out?" Apparently, you are a homophobe. Is gay sex so deliciously decadent that you see it as a choice that "straight" people just surrender to?

Wow, Deja Vu. It's like the 90's all over again attacking a viewpoint by calling someone a homophobe - that doesn't work anymore.

Because being a homophobe, we figured out, is actually a good thing. The only dick allowed any where near me is my own While I certainly think gay people have the right to do their thing, you just tried to force feed us with PC ness, I'm not gonna be force fed tripe cause you like men better then women.

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[Caustic Saint]

Because being a homophobe, we figured out, is actually a good thing. The only dick allowed any where near me is my own While I certainly think gay people have the right to do their thing, you just tried to force feed us with PC ness, I'm not gonna be force fed tripe cause you like men better then women.

This is the one viewpoint I don't get. Okay, gay men are commonly stereotyped as being more promiscuous that straights. A deserved rep in some cases, to be sure. However, equating the stereotype of promiscuity with "wants to sleep with every guy, straight or gay - espeically me! - is ridiculous.

From what my gay friends have told me, straight guys are more trouble than they could ever be worth, and a waste of time. Why chase somebody who'll never have you? And at the same time, what makes straight guys think every gay man wants them? When I was in the army the common response to Clinton's "Don't ask, don't tell" was, "hey, if they wanna be gay, that's cool - but one of them better not hit on me. I'll kick his ass!"

Like they (the complaining straight guys) have what every gay guy wants? And lots of the guys making this comment couldn't even score with a chick. If you can't connect with somebody of your own orientation, what makes you think the other team is going to try and recruit you? Clearly you don't have what it takes.

My 2

[GargoyleTS]

Hmmmm.....

Man is Straight. Man sleeps around. Man is MAN (or Pig).

Woman is Straight. Woman sleeps around. Woman is SLUT (but still sought after by men).

Man is Gay. Man doesn't talk about sex life with friends or co-workers. Man is still assumed to sleep around?

To make an actual point here, it's been my observation that straight men are more inclined to sleeping around than gay men. No, I am not gay (I'll never give up the peach:)), but have had numerous friends who are. And also many friends who are straight (extrovert in the house!) Straight guys seem to be less secure than gay guys who've had a complete crisis of sexual identity and been forced to work through their issues. Also goes back to societal influence since birth. Gay men don't have anything to prove cause they're already "wrong" according to society. The ones who tend to the flamoyant slut side are either throwing it in someones face or haven't really com to grips with what they are (and may not even be gay, just confused on so many levels this looked like a solution).

All I ever say to someone who feels they MUST tell me they're gay is that 1) I am not, and I know for a fact I am not.
2) I don't care.

I treat them like I wish to be treated and expect the same. I don't tell them they are wrong and point this fact out if they try to convince me I should try it.

And try as I might, I just can't find a hairy man-ass sexually stimulating!

[Andocrates]

Women have a sense about really dirty minded, lecherous men - not the average run of the mill horny guy, that shady creepy pervert types they can feel it. It's that way with gays and me, I can feel it and it makes me angry.

I'm glad you got high class gay friends, I guess that's in vougue, but around here we got "sit in the bathroom till someone walks in and wack it, gays." We got holes in the bathroom stalls at dick level. We had a georgeous park here now all but closed down because of the constant gay harresment the police were powerless to stop you cant go to that park without getting harrasesed. So they stopped having little leaugue games there, parents stopped bringing their children to the park and it sits empty.

Look at America's reststops (aid stations) all but gone now because of gays cruising them. They can act all high and mighty like they are TV show gays (and there are some of those who have never hit on me and shown the slightest interest) but a good portion of gays are really disgusting and want multiple partners a night, and that's just nasty.

[GomiGirl]

To make an actual point here, it's been my observation that straight men are more inclined to sleeping around than gay men. No, I am not gay (I'll never give up the peach:)), but have had numerous friends who are. And also many friends who are straight (extrovert in the house!) Straight guys seem to be less secure than gay guys who've had a complete crisis of sexual identity and been forced to work through their issues. Also goes back to societal influence since birth. Gay men don't have anything to prove cause they're already "wrong" according to society. The ones who tend to the flamoyant slut side are either throwing it in someones face or haven't really com to grips with what they are (and may not even be gay, just confused on so many levels this looked like a solution).

All I ever say to someone who feels they MUST tell me they're gay is that 1) I am not, and I know for a fact I am not.
2) I don't care.

I treat them like I wish to be treated and expect the same. I don't tell them they are wrong and point this fact out if they try to convince me I should try it.

And try as I might, I just can't find a hairy man-ass sexually stimulating!

AMEN!! As a gal with many gay friends herself, I couldn't have said the above better.

Why some straight guys (usually the uglier straight men) are paranoid about being picked up by gay men is beyond me.. I guess these are the same guys who think (wrongly) that they are god's gift to women they assume that they are god's gift to all.. WRONG!!!

An ugly hairy ass doesn't do it for me either and I love men!!

[GomiGirl]

I'm glad you got high class gay friends, I guess that's in vougue, but around here we got "sit in the bathroom till someone walks in and wack it, gays." We got holes in the bathroom stalls at dick level.

How many of these people are openly gay and how many of them are married (pretending to be straight) and skulking about at night???

From personal experience the guys that are openly gay have come to terms with who they are and live well. It is the people who are uncomfortable with themselves (usually due to society/discrimination) that demonstrate self destructive behaviour.

But with the amount of discrimination and villification of people who are "different" then many people don't have the courage to go against the norm... and end up miserable.

This is not just in the realm of sexuality... how many times have we talked about the miserable salary man on the corporate treadmill unable to get off or the unsatisfied housewife who wants more from her life than comparing the price of tofu at the supermarket.. a one size fits all society just doesn't work!!

[hanabi]

But just to stir the pot a bit:

...the PC viewpoint seems to be that male vs female psychology is a nurture thing rather than a nature thing.

...the PC viewpoint seems to be that homosexuality (I'm born that way, it's not a choice) is a nature not a nurture thing.

Why the difference?

Because sexual preference in terms of gender is not psychology. (But in terms of aesthetic/racial preference? Sure.) I don't know how much clearer I can put that.

Consider the pot unstirred.

[hanabi]

Wow, Deja Vu. It's like the 90's all over again attacking a viewpoint by calling someone a homophobe - that doesn't work anymore.

....While I certainly think gay people have the right to do their thing, you just tried to force feed us with PC ness, I'm not gonna be force fed tripe cause you like men better then women.

Who is attacking a viewpoint now? No one is force feeding you anything. If homosexuality has nothing to do with you, why do you care?

Not all gay men want you. Learn to live with that idea, 'kay? What would you say to a woman who lived in fear under the mistaken impression that *all* men wanted to fuck her? You'd think she was insane, right?

On second thought, what GomiGirl said.

[American Oyaji]

Like I have said before.

It's a choice. No one makes you bend over and take it up the butt. And no one makes you stick your penis in another man's behind.

We are not animals. We have a CHOICE.

It's not natural at all. period.

I said once before that this gay "explosion" in America was brought about by,
1. The Catholic Church
2. This macho crap that if you ain't chasin tail, you must be gay.

Some guys aren't interested in women. That's cool. But it doesnt mean they're gay. But society tries to push everyone into a box. And here in Columbus, Ohio, gays try to recruit "pretty" straight guys. I've seen it. It's a seduction. And it turns my stomach inside out and into knots. I'm not a homophobe. That would mean I'm afraid of them. No. No such thing.

I mainly feel sorry for them, but also angry at society with all this PC crap that started in the 80s. Call something what it is, but don't keep making new names for it.
Shell Shock
Battle Fatigue
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

New words for the same thing. I guess soon a duck won't be a duck but will be Small white paddle-footed flat-billed flying avian.

[Caustic Saint]

New words for the same thing. I guess soon a duck won't be a duck but will be Small white paddle-footed flat-billed flying avian.

But what about the non-white ducks, like Mallards? What shall we call them?

[GargoyleTS]

How is being gay unnatural if it occurs in nature? I will admit its not common since if it was it would mean the decline and elimination of a species if it ecame a dominant trait, but same sex pairings do occur in animals.

However, you do make a valid point: I think some of those who are homosexual are still confused as to what their actual problems are. Goes back to everyone want to be part of something and EVERYONE craves acceptance. (and a small part is being insecure and needing attention good or bad). During formative years, everyone goes thru personal crisis. Some solve them, other accept them and still others find a way to avoid them. And many pressures and temptations are there that they do not have the experience to deal with so they wind up doing things that other think they should. Not just homosexuality, but drugs, violence, religion, etc...

Part of the issue,IMO, would stem from humans being "In Season" all the time. Nature (or God) has given us the gift of control over our reproductive process and to be honest, a lot of people can't handle the responsibility. And we've had to (or chosen to) invent standards to act as guidelines for our sex-drives. Standards of Beauty, Standards of Social Behavior, Standards of Religion. Standards based on individual likes (influenced by society both micro and macro) to see who we are going to try to reproduce with. Some people decide "fark it" and just decide to do what feels good without thought for consequences. Some just don't feel anything for anybody and think that since they aren't "turned on" by women they must be gay (even though they may also feel nothing for men).

I could discuss the social aspects of homosexuality (or anything else) all day long, but ya'll are probly getting tired of my ramblings so, to summarise: Homosexuality is not unnatural. Todays ratio of homosexuality MAY be. I don't have numbers for either side.

[cstaylor]

Zzzzz....

[jez]

What??? "Straighten out?" Apparently, you are a homophobe. Is gay sex so deliciously decadent that you see it as a choice that "straight" people just surrender to?

I do disagree with AO's viewpoint. I said I find it disgusting not wrong. Natto is disgusting, but is it wrong?

Perhaps gays find hetero sex disgusting. Your views?

[jez]

What??? "Straighten out?" Apparently, you are a homophobe. Is gay sex so deliciously decadent that you see it as a choice that "straight" people just surrender to?

Wow, Deja Vu. It's like the 90's all over again attacking a viewpoint by calling someone a homophobe - that doesn't work anymore.

Because being a homophobe, we figured out, is actually a good thing. The only dick allowed any where near me is my own :-) While I certainly think gay people have the right to do their thing, you just tried to force feed us with PC ness, I'm not gonna be force fed tripe cause you like men better then women.

Homo-phobe=dislike of homosexuality. Also, a belief that it is wrong and should be changed(not tolerated). You are entitled to your beliefs, but please face up to the facts:you are a homophobe. I am a machophobe.

[jez]

Women have a sense about really dirty minded, lecherous men - not the average run of the mill horny guy, that shady creepy pervert types they can feel it. It's that way with gays and me, I can feel it and it makes me angry.

Obviously, it's a very personal issue for you

[jez]

And it turns my stomach inside out and into knots. I'm not a homophobe. That would mean I'm afraid of them. No. No such thing.

Again: homo-phobia=dislike of homosexuality. Whether you're afraid of it or not(my guess is you are)is not the point.

It's not natural at all. period.

What's natural? Some might say a Caucasian man with an Asian woman, or an African man with a Caucasian woman isn't natural. You views?

I mainly feel sorry for them, but also angry at society with all this PC crap that started in the 80s. Call something what it is, but don't keep making new names for it.
Shell Shock
Battle Fatigue
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

New words for the same thing. I guess soon a duck won't be a duck but will be Small white paddle-footed flat-billed flying avian.

For you it's homophobia vs PC? Is the world balack&white? Can you use your head to think of other ideas than those which are fed to you over the airwaves? I dislike PC. I dislike homophobia. I dislike PC. I dislike racism.
Seems like you're the one craving for labels to put on people.

[jez]

I'm glad you got high class gay friends, I guess that's in vougue, but around here we got "sit in the bathroom till someone walks in and wack it, gays." We got holes in the bathroom stalls at dick level. We had a georgeous park here now all but closed down because of the constant gay harresment the police were powerless to stop you cant go to that park without getting harrasesed. So they stopped having little leaugue games there, parents stopped bringing their children to the park and it sits empty.

I wonder if you'd take some pics of these highly interesting places and post them on here. Sounds like you have a lot of knowledge of these places.

[American Oyaji]

I'm black, but married to a Japanese woman. Nothing wrong with different "races". There really is no such thing as a "race". It's just differentiation in human beings.

Homosexuality is unnatural and against God's law. Period.

[kotatsuneko]

inadvertedly *spelling? should that be inadverdently?* anyhow, i managed to have screwed up this thread.

i'd like to offer a genuine apology to Oyaji..

i shouldn't have picked on that one point, and there was really no reason to either..as a result the topic seems to have changed to bashing one persons opinion rather than talking about the fun/experiences of taping group sex and the morality of the ppl involved in what may or may not have been an actual incident..

imho Oyaji is extremely liberal, has way more experience on this planet than me, and shows a maturity and patience/tolerance of others opinions that most people would be envious of, myself included..

at some point, it went out of my mind that this was a *discussion* board, and there is no justification or reason to pick on any individuals point of view.. sure its ok to question it or converse on various topics, but in no way is it ok to say someone is right or wrong about a matter of taste or opinion so its my bad..

Oyaji, i can only offer my apology in this matter, and if there were more people like you ,who take time to *think* rather than react it would be an easier planet to live on..

[Caustic Saint]

Homosexuality is unnatural and against God's law. Period.

un-nat-u-ral
adj.
1. In violation of a natural law.
2. Inconsistent with an individual pattern or custom.
3. Deviating from a behavioral or social norm: an unnatural attachment.
4. Contrived or constrained]The Gay Side of Nature
Even as moralists and activists continue to debate homosexuality, many species casually practice it

BY JEFFREY KLUGER

Giraffes do it, goats do it, birds and bonobos and dolphins do it. Humans beings--a lot of them anyway--like to do it too, but of all the planet's species, they're the only ones who are oppressed when they try.

What humans share with so many other animals, it now appears, is freewheeling homosexuality. For centuries opponents of gay rights have seen same-gender sex as a uniquely human phenomenon, one of the many ways our famously corruptible species flouts the laws of nature. But nature's morality, it seems, may be remarkably flexible, at least if the new book Biological Exuberance (St. Martin's Press), by linguist and cognitive scientist Bruce Bagemihl, is to be believed. According to Bagemihl, the animal kingdom is a more sexually complex place than most people know--one where couplings routinely take place not just between male-female pairs but also between male-male and female-female ones. What's more, same-sex partners don't meet merely for brief encounters, but may form long-term bonds, sometimes mating for years or even for life.[/quote]
The article orginally appeard in Time (which only has a preview on their site), but the full article is available at the link at the top of the quote. I'd say homosexuality is far from unnatural, especially since it's recorded behavior in more than 450 species. Heck there are even gay adoptive parents in the animal kingdon. Gay birds of a feather parent together at Israeli zoo I'd say it's far from unnatural.

Please note that I avoided the "against god's law" comment. I'm not gettign anywhere near that hornet's nest. This topic is off-track enough as it is.

Getting back on track - anyboody know if the alleged video has surfaced on the net yet?

[kotatsuneko]

maybe make our own? someone posted a picture of one of the office ladies after a meeting a while back.. she was incredibly hot.. perhaps get 3 of her mates and do a redux... 4 ols on one f*cked gaijin.. needless to say i volunteer for the male role!

[Andocrates]

I'm confused now. Are you pro gay or are you saying gays are like animals?

[jez]

I'm black, but married to a Japanese woman. Nothing wrong with different "races". There really is no such thing as a "race". It's just differentiation in human beings.
Homosexuality is unnatural and against God's law. Period.

Some may say black with yellow is unnatural, because they tend to have different length/depth proportionality...
Maybe I should emphasize 'some', 'cos you'll probably think it's my opinion otherwise. I'm just trying to draw attention to the stupidity of the 'unnatural' argument.

Homosexuality is unnatural and against God's law. Period.

Says who? Who decides what 'natural' is? And who decides that 'god's law' is man's law?

[jez]

Are you pro gay?

What the f*ck is a 'pro-gay'?