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Ke11iente wrote:I'm doing rote memorization.
I'm playing the silly games.
I've got flash cards out the wazoo....
But I'm still having trouble remembering all the kanji I'm trying to stick in my brain. Any personal tips/hints for learning/remembering kanji? What do you do to make them stick?
I can usually look at one and remember the meaning (in English), but the (various) readings and how to write the kanji are what I'm having trouble remembering... and that's the important part.
kamome wrote:Best way to retain kanji comprehension is to read J-language newspapers and other material - even manga is good. There are manga for children that have the furigana printed on the kanji so you don't have to look it up.
Ke11iente wrote:Thanks for the tips. This has got to be my least favorite part of learning Japanese. I'll try poring over some newspapers and see if I can't read a single sentence.
And thanks for the Thesis Charles
I've been studying my flash cards, but only for the purposes of memorizing the meanings and readings. I think that flipping them over, looking at the meanings and attempting to write the kanji themselves is a great idea.
Ke11iente wrote:I think that flipping them over, looking at the meanings and attempting to write the kanji themselves is a great idea.
Charles wrote:Yeah, writing kanji from flash cards is a great trick, I was surprised at how much it helped. But don't forget to SAY the kanji reading while writing it. My teachers insisted that speaking the kanji reading while doing writing practice, or speaking it during flash card flipping would increase memorization. It works for me.
Oh.. another little bit of my teacher's advice.. She said that you have to commit something to short-term memory and then forget it a minimum of seven times before it sticks in permanent memory. So don't feel bad about struggling to memorize kanji, even your forgetting kanji is part of the process of learning it. Forgetting is not a failure, it's the path to success. So get busy forgetting your kanji!
gboothe wrote:We also seldom used flash cards because the teachers felt they were only short term memory crutches. I have since met people who have used flash cards quite successfully, but I myself am still stuck in the old school mode. Even when I droodle, I sometimes catch myself writing repetitions of a particularly interesting (or uninteresting as the case may be) kanji.
FWIW
Charles wrote:A lot of teachers use "ei," it's sort of like "mizu" but it has the little dot at the top too. I spent considerable effort trying to master that little splotch. It's the classic lesson in many calligraphy books.
Charles wrote:I think manga are awful as language learning tools, particularly the ones written for children even if they have furigana. Do you want to learn how to speak like a child, or an adult? [GIANT SNIP]
kamome wrote:Look, Charles, you're only half understanding what I meant when I suggested manga as a learning tool. Some manga contain quite normal conversation and others contain the slang and baby-talk that would not be considered standard dialogue. I think it's pretty obvious which is which, and any beginner who doesn't know the difference should always check with their teacher or language partner before using these phrases in conversation.
Charles wrote:Heavens to Betsy, was my widdle essay a boo-boo? No, I think not. It is better not to fill your head full of that crap in the first place, you are bound to blurt it out inadvertently. Reading manga makes you stupid.
If you want to learn USEFUL kanji, try reading "Tensei Jingo" every day in the Asahi Shimbun. I often say the media in Japan is a distribution mechanism for neologisms and the "topic of the day" kanji, and Tensei Jingo is a prime example. The Asahi Shimbun has a free service where you can get the column and an English translation by email every day.
james wrote:my elder son, now ichinensei, has started learning to write kanji, and i've decided that rather than have his old man appear stupid, i'd keep up on things a bit.
found this handy little website:
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which organizes the kanji into grade levels taught at school and is useful for checking stroke order.
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Iraira wrote:You've just convinced me not to reproduce (and the human race is spared). I can't write for s-it. Can read pretty all fine and dandy, but my friend's ninensei rugrat laughed at the sloppy mess of pre-inchinensei Kanji and mangled hiragana I attempted to pen in the birthday card I sent to her last month. haji haji haji.
sublight wrote:I've been thinking about getting a Nintendo DS and the Kanji Kentei practice software, since that has drills on writing as well as reading. Has anyone tried this?
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