PS: Dumb@sses!

[jez]

Foreign Salad Lost? Foreign Falling Salad?
Gai, elighten us!

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

No!

[GomiGirl]

oh for gawd sake people.. this is getting painful.

datsu-sara is the term for salary men who drop out of the "rat race" or give up the salary man lifestyle.

[jez]

oh for gawd sake people.. this is getting painful.

datsu-sara is the term for salary men who drop out of the "rat race" or give up the salary man lifestyle.

Is gai a dropped-out salaryman?

[Darkwing]

Wasn't that just so fun!

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

I loooooove my french dog and I love even more being un sujet de sa majeste! The Queen is great! I love her style!

You are one sick broad. No wonder you don't have a clue. By the way, keep crowing that there were no WMD in Iraq to be worried about. With each passing month more and more turns up. As for me, I am resting easier with the knowledge that Saddam is gone and the others like him are trembling with the knowledge that a cruise missile can come blasting through their window as they sit on the John for their morning crap. As for your laughable comment that we are creating terrorists. Madam, we are not. We have no long term desire to occupy their land. We are killing terrorists and that will continue. These two bit wack jobs only respect force. Qaddafi learned to toe the line real quick after his personal tent was bombed. Nice, dictator. Go fetch.

[jez]

I loooooove my french dog and I love even more being un sujet de sa majeste! The Queen is great! I love her style! :love2: :thumbs:

You are one sick broad. No wonder you don't have a clue. By the way, keep crowing that there were no WMD in Iraq to be worried about. With each passing month more and more turns up.

Not sure who this was aimed at, but anyway,
I'd love to see evidence of WMD that 'keeps turning up'. I who actually follow the news, have not seen any such evidence, and now, in the US and UK, the leaders are being called on to explain their pre-war claims.

As for me, I am resting easier with the knowledge that Saddam is gone and the others like him are trembling with the knowledge that a cruise missile can come blasting through their window as they sit on the John for their morning crap.

Kim is obviously not too worried, since he has nukes, and the US government knows it.

As for your laughable comment that we are creating terrorists. Madam, we are not. We have no long term desire to occupy their land. We are killing terrorists and that will continue. These two bit wack jobs only respect force. Qaddafi learned to toe the line real quick after his personal tent was bombed. Nice, dictator. Go fetch.

You can deny it if you like, but anyone with an ounce of rational thought will see that while terrorists are being killed, new ones are being nurtutred.
Also, your claim that "we have no long term desire to occupy their land. We are killing terrorists and that will continue" (my emphasis) is strange. Are you involved in all this? Just by virtue of being a US citizen, does that make you a participant in the 'war on terror'?

[DJEB]

Yeah Jez, certainly attacking Iraq wouldn't do anything but reduce the motivation for terrorism perpetrated by fundamentalist Islamic terrorists.

...

Riiiiiiiiiight.

[American Oyaji]

fundamentalists only want one thing:
The destruction of the state of Israel and the death of every Jew on the planet. It's anti-Semitism injected with gamma rays and turned into the Hulk.

I'ts not gonna go away by ignoring it. Howerver it MAY be killed.

These terrorists will target anyone that even Seems to be helping Israel or Jews.

The Arabs and Jews have been fighting since Ishmael and Isaac. Over that little piece of land called Israel.

Did you know that the RE-creation of the state of Israel was a fulfilment of Biblical prophecy? Yup.

So anyway, fundamentalists will NEVER quit until Israel is destroyed. Period. Only thing we can do is to do them like we do oversized herds of deer in the wild. Kill enough of them to minimize the damage they do to the rest of the world.

Open season on terrorists!

[jez]

fundamentalists only want one thing:
The destruction of the state of Israel and the death of every Jew on the planet. It's anti-Semitism injected with gamma rays and turned into the Hulk.

What a simplistic view of the world. Even if we are talking simply about 'muslim/arab fundamentalists', you need to study the question before making such generalised statements. You might find there's more to it than simple hatred of Israel. It's at least as political as it is religious.

I'ts not gonna go away by ignoring it. Howerver it MAY be killed.

I do not advocate ignoring terrorism. On the contrary, we should address the causes of terrorism. The main cause is international, state terror, of the kind practiced by western gvts. No, I'm afraid terrorism can not be killed, at least not through more terror. There are people willing to die for their ideas. Do you think you can stop that by attacking Iraq or assassinating individuals? I want to believe in your honest desire for a solution. However, open your eyes! The 'war on terror' was not invented yesterday. Do you see any progress in the last 2 decades?

[Resolute Optimist]

You are one sick broad. No wonder you don't have a clue. By the way, keep crowing that there were no WMD in Iraq to be worried about. With each passing month more and more turns up. As for me, I am resting easier with the knowledge that Saddam is gone and the others like him are trembling with the knowledge that a cruise missile can come blasting through their window as they sit on the John for their morning crap. As for your laughable comment that we are creating terrorists. Madam, we are not. We have no long term desire to occupy their land. We are killing terrorists and that will continue. These two bit wack jobs only respect force. Qaddafi learned to toe the line real quick after his personal tent was bombed. Nice, dictator. Go fetch.

Who on earth are you talking to? You're delirious.

Anonymous wrote:
I loooooove my french dog and I love even more being un sujet de sa majeste! The Queen is great! I love her style!

You found a laughable comment

that we are creating terrorists.

in those two lines? Wow.

Hey I've fetched your brain, would you like it back?

signed,
Madam

[American Oyaji]

fundamentalists only want one thing:
The destruction of the state of Israel and the death of every Jew on the planet. It's anti-Semitism injected with gamma rays and turned into the Hulk.

What a simplistic view of the world. Even if we are talking simply about 'muslim/arab fundamentalists', you need to study the question before making such generalised statements. You might find there's more to it than simple hatred of Israel. It's at least as political as it is religious.

I'ts not gonna go away by ignoring it. Howerver it MAY be killed.

I do not advocate ignoring terrorism. On the contrary, we should address the causes of terrorism. The main cause is international, state terror, of the kind practiced by western gvts. No, I'm afraid terrorism can not be killed, at least not through more terror. There are people willing to die for their ideas. Do you think you can stop that by attacking Iraq or assassinating individuals? I want to believe in your honest desire for a solution. However, open your eyes! The 'war on terror' was not invented yesterday. Do you see any progress in the last 2 decades?

Jez,
You are spewing BS again man. In the Middle East, there is very little separation of church and state. The causes of Arab fundamentalism are ROOTED in the religions of the area. Since you don't study religion, you don't know much about that. Israel's existence is an afront to most Arabs. I think you may be a homosexual Arab. Anyway, the middle east has been in turmoil since before the United States was a nation. Remember the crusades?
And notice that I said it MAY, as in MIGHT as in a possible solution. I don't think it will end because they don't WANT peace. They want the death of Israel.

You keep harping on "State Terror practiced by western governments." Some examples please? And if you are talking about the war in Iraq, look for another example because that was decapitating a man that in some ways could have become the Hitler of the Arab world, or if not him, one of his sons. If the governments of Europe had opened their eyes, they could have nipped Hitler in the bud before he got on a roll.

Jez, it is you who have your eyes closed. 'Scuse me, they are not closed, you are only looking at your own opinion, but you arent seeing that the picture is deeper than what you perceive it to be. You are also quite closeminded.

Is English your native language?

[jez]

I think you may be a homosexual Arab

This ad-hominem would be enough for to ignore you, but I feel I should answer, as it displays your complete innability to use rational thought.

As for your claim that I don't study religion, where did you get that idea?
I would say that you haven't read so much about the Middle East, 'cos if you had you'd probably realise that religion isn't everything in the conflict. For example, there are Christian Palestinians, Muslim Palestinians, and Marxist Palestinians. Religion is obviously a major player in the conflict but it is far from being the only one. Even so-called fundamentalits are just pawns in a political game, which includes middle-easter, governments. If you think the gvt of Iran is purely interested in Islamic revolution, you are seriously blinded by propaganda. Any government, and any leadership has more at heart than religious saviour. Power is the name of the game.
As for State terror, look at Latin America(Chile, Nicaragua, Panama...), and the Middle East(Iraq, Iran...) for the USA. Look at Africa(Algeria, ex-Zaire...) for France, and there's more.
If you can't or won't do research for yourself, I will give you examples, when I have more time.
English and French are my native languages. Why?

[Gaisaradatsuraku!]

I think you may be a homosexual Arab

This ad-hominem would be enough for to ignore you, but I feel I should answer, as it displays your complete innability to use rational thought.

Wait, you and DJEB are one in the same aren't you...

As for your claim that I don't study religion, where did you get that idea?
I would say that you haven't read so much about the Middle East, 'cos if you had you'd probably realise that religion isn't everything in the conflict. For example, there are Christian Palestinians, Muslim Palestinians, and Marxist Palestinians.

Uhhhh... I would say that you are a kid who is reading too much and thinking too little. In the Middle East, the overwhelming majority of people practice some form of Islamic religion. Religion is the focal point for hatred in this region.

Religion is obviously a major player in the conflict but it is far from being the only one. Even so-called fundamentalits are just pawns in a political game, which includes middle-easter, governments. If you think the gvt of Iran is purely interested in Islamic revolution, you are seriously blinded by propaganda. Any government, and any leadership has more at heart than religious saviour.

Oh do tell oh learned one. Oh, educate me as to the real reasons that motivate this other "elite."

Power is the name of the game.

Heavy. I am time slipping back to 1969. Were you in the SDS?

As for State terror, look at Latin America(Chile, Nicaragua, Panama...), and the Middle East(Iraq, Iran...) for the USA.

Why don't you give me specific examples of US "terrorism" in each of these countries. I need a laugh.

[jez]

I think you may be a homosexual Arab

This ad-hominem would be enough for to ignore you, but I feel I should answer, as it displays your complete innability to use rational thought.

Wait, you and DJEB are one in the same aren't you...

As for your claim that I don't study religion, where did you get that idea?
I would say that you haven't read so much about the Middle East, 'cos if you had you'd probably realise that religion isn't everything in the conflict. For example, there are Christian Palestinians, Muslim Palestinians, and Marxist Palestinians.

Uhhhh... I would say that you are a kid who is reading too much and thinking too little. In the Middle East, the overwhelming majority of people practice some form of Islamic religion. Religion is the focal point for hatred in this region.

Religion is obviously a major player in the conflict but it is far from being the only one. Even so-called fundamentalits are just pawns in a political game, which includes middle-easter, governments. If you think the gvt of Iran is purely interested in Islamic revolution, you are seriously blinded by propaganda. Any government, and any leadership has more at heart than religious saviour.

Oh do tell oh learned one. Oh, educate me as to the real reasons that motivate this other "elite."

Power is the name of the game.

Heavy. I am time slipping back to 1969. Were you in the SDS?

As for State terror, look at Latin America(Chile, Nicaragua, Panama...), and the Middle East(Iraq, Iran...) for the USA.

Why don't you give me specific examples of US "terrorism" in each of these countries. I need a laugh.

As I said this is not a game. Therefore I have nothing more to say to you Gai(as long as you feel that this is all just a game).

[American Oyaji]

I think you may be a homosexual Arab

As for your claim that I don't study religion, where did you get that idea?
I would say that you haven't read so much about the Middle East, 'cos if you had you'd probably realise that religion isn't everything in the conflict. For example, there are Christian Palestinians, Muslim Palestinians, and Marxist Palestinians. Religion is obviously a major player in the conflict but it is far from being the only one. Even so-called fundamentalits are just pawns in a political game, which includes middle-easter, governments. If you think the gvt of Iran is purely interested in Islamic revolution, you are seriously blinded by propaganda. Any government, and any leadership has more at heart than religious saviour. Power is the name of the game.
As for State terror, look at Latin America(Chile, Nicaragua, Panama...), and the Middle East(Iraq, Iran...) for the USA. Look at Africa(Algeria, ex-Zaire...) for France, and there's more.
If you can't or won't do research for yourself, I will give you examples, when I have more time.
English and French are my native languages. Why?

jez,
You still havent answered my question. I want you to show me a specific example when the United States has commited an act of terrorism. And to define a "terrorism", we shall define it as thus defined in the American Heritage dictionary WHICH is available online:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

As for me doing research myself? No. That is up to YOU to provide PROOF to back up YOUR statements. Up to this point you have provided NONE,ZIP, ZERO.

The reason I asked you about your native language was because you dance around arguments as if you don't understand what people are asking of you.
Also you use circular arguments or keep begging the question. i.e. Assuming the thing you are trying to prove is true without providing proof of its veracity. I'm not sure if you are trying to play devil's advocate or what.
Also you are veering away from what the original thrust of this whole discussion was. That a war on terroism makes new terroists. This was your original stance.
This is complete lunacy. If we do nothing, that plays into their hands because we are "terrorized" in fear of more attacks or more terrorists. This is the ostrich head in the sand approach. The thinking of maybe if we ignore them or don't provoke them, that they wont attack is incorrect.

I don't know how many of you have had the threat of personal violence against your person as a kid, but I had to fight a LOT when I was a kid. Some kids are bullies and even if you ignore them they will still pick at you and try to hurt you. The only way to get them to leave you alone is to attack them and hurt them bad enough that they leave you the hell alone. Eventually, the bullies got the message that I was too much trouble to mess with.
It's the same with terrorism. It's a supremely escalated form of bullying. Some accuse the United States of bullying other nations. Perhaps this is true, but we don't threaten their citizens' lives.
This also holds true in gang warfare. Attack and kill the leaders and the group falls apart.
The problem with Middle East terrorism is that they are TEACHING HATE in their schools. They are TEACHING hate of Israel. They are TEACHING the promise of the 70 virgins in heaven. These kids are nursed on the hate of certain groups as they grow up. Even here in the United States, some mosques preach hate of Jews. The political and the religious issues of Middle Eastern terrorism or inexorably intertwined. And if you can't realize this jez, you aren't as smart as you think you are.
Here is another bomb for your mental basket. Where are they getting the weapons? Explosives cost money. And you just cant walk into a store and ask for 5 pounds of C4. No. These terrorist groups are being FUNDED by Middle Eastern govts. Some of them are supposedly "our" allies.

The only logical course is to fight back and when we find a direct link to a nation and their support for terrorism, that nation will be crushed. Both Iraq and Afghanistand had Al Qaeda bases. Thus their invasions.

However, it won't end, terrorism in the world is going to increase in frequency and scope of destruction. It's one thing for someone to be disgruntled, its a whole other issue for someone to be raised to hate, kill and die.

On another but related note,
as much as they fight it, Israel won't be destroyed. In fact, not far in the future, there will be a sneak attack on Israel by a nation north of her. Russia I believe. This nation will throw just about all of its arsenal at Israel and Israel wont be touched at all. In fact, the enemies arsenal will be completely destroyed and Israel will be able to use the debris of this failed attack for a full 7 years. You may not believe this, and you may think I'm completely off my rocker. This is Biblical prophecy. I'm not asking you to believe it. Just remember that I said it, and that the answer is found in the Bible.

[ramchop]

You may not believe this, and you may think I'm completely off my rocker. This is Biblical prophecy. I'm not asking you to believe it. Just remember that I said it, and that the answer is found in the Bible.

Do you save money for a house or childrens' college education if the end really is nigh?

[American Oyaji]

I believe that it will occur within my lifetime. But I don't KNOW exactly when, so I keep living as if the world will continue indefinitely, letting people know the truth.

[jez]

AO,
As I have said, I have little time at the moment, as I am in Europe and VERY busy. You are quite right to say that I made the claim, and therefore should produce evidence. However, this is not a game, and I'm sure it is not beyond your ability to do research yourself. I've given you a starting point by giving you examples of countries where US/western state terror has been practiced. DJEB, I am sure will again provide evidence, and when i have more time, I will do so as well. In the mean time, why don't you do some research yourself.That is, if you're interested in the pursuit of truth, and not simply playing a game of who can make the last point.

Also you are veering away from what the original thrust of this whole discussion was. That a war on terroism makes new terroists. This was your original stance.
This is complete lunacy. If we do nothing, that plays into their hands because we are "terrorized" in fear of more attacks or more terrorists. This is the ostrich head in the sand approach. The thinking of maybe if we ignore them or don't provoke them, that they wont attack is incorrect.

I am not veering away from anything. That is still my opinion. Your way of presenting things is pure Bush-speak, ie. "you're either with us or against us", a world in black&white. You speak like a propagandist, even though I doubt you even mean to. That's the worst. You want people to believe that people like me must be for ignoring terror, just because we disagree with the so-called 'war on terror'. You want people to believe you're either for the war or for ignoring terror. You insult people's intelligence. I do not think ignoring terror is the solution. If anything, i believe this 'war on terror' is ignoring the real causes of terror. It's saying 'let's just bomb the hell outta people(innocent or guilty), and hope terror dissappears'(and that's assumiing they actually want it to go away). I am not ignoring terror, since I am reminding you of state terror.

I don't know how many of you have had the threat of personal violence against your person as a kid, but I had to fight a LOT when I was a kid. Some kids are bullies and even if you ignore them they will still pick at you and try to hurt you. The only way to get them to leave you alone is to attack them and hurt them bad enough that they leave you the hell alone. Eventually, the bullies got the message that I was too much trouble to mess with.

Don't worry mate, I know what it's like to be bullied. The difference is, I wasn't strong enough to fight back. In the end, I became more confident(not necessarily physically), I made friends, and the bullying stopped(not sure if it was in that order!).

It's the same with terrorism. It's a supremely escalated form of bullying. Some accuse the United States of bullying other nations. Perhaps this is true, but we don't threaten their citizens' lives.

You're right, the USA is the biggest bully on the block. To say however, that the USA(not 'you') doesn't threaten lives is absolute lunacy(to borrow your word). Again, I don't have time right now to give you links/evidence(more than I/others have already done in the past), but don't fret: I'm not running away, as soon as I have time you'll be getting the evidence.

The only logical course is to fight back and when we find a direct link to a nation and their support for terrorism, that nation will be crushed. Both Iraq and Afghanistand had Al Qaeda bases. Thus their invasions.

I believe you were challenged to provide evidence of these training camps in Iraq. Did you do so?

On another but related note,
as much as they fight it, Israel won't be destroyed. In fact, not far in the future, there will be a sneak attack on Israel by a nation north of her. Russia I believe. This nation will throw just about all of its arsenal at Israel and Israel wont be touched at all. In fact, the enemies arsenal will be completely destroyed and Israel will be able to use the debris of this failed attack for a full 7 years. You may not believe this, and you may think I'm completely off my rocker. This is Biblical prophecy. I'm not asking you to believe it. Just remember that I said it, and that the answer is found in the Bible.

I don't think you're off you're rocker. I believe you are a shrewd(if slightly obvious) propagandist(maybe you do realise it after all), because you rely on 'evidence' that needs no proof, since it is of a supernatural kind.
Again, the evidence of state terror exists. It's not a prophecy. It's there, on the net, for all to find. I will gladly do the research(when I have more time), but you are also welcome to do so if you want to know what really goes on.