Denied into KIX...again

[Tsuru]

And they have quite a reputation... a bad one... (can't find the link anymore but their level is way below 'engrish')

Nothing wrong with that in Japan. Try France instead... they even insist on calling a foot a "pied", even though it is an imperial measurement

[Cyka UchuuJin]

And they have quite a reputation... a bad one... (can't find the link anymore but their level is way below 'engrish')

i bet it still better than 99% of the people who work in immigration and customs at kix.

[CrankyBastard]

his last two entries were on temporary visitor while looking for a teaching job.

Immigration authorities tend to frown on this.

[Iraira]

Now the story all makes sense. It started with his Working Holiday VISA was soon too expire, which made it all really seemed fucked of the J-Immi. That it already was expired, they simply saw him as playing the 3 month in and out tourist VISA game and busted him. Ok, feel bad for the guy and it sucks that he got caught up in the shell game of who can we pin this fuck up on, but no Hollywood blockbuster on this one.

[CrankyBastard]

I feel bad for the guy, too.
But the rules are pretty much reciprocal for foreigners entering his country.

To come to the United Kingdom as a general visitor you must be able to show that you:
only want to visit the United Kingdom for up to six months;
plan to leave the United Kingdom at the end of your visit;
have enough money to support and accommodate yourself without working, help from public funds or you will be supported and accommodated by relatives or friends;
do not intend to charge members of the public for services provided or goods received;
do not intend to study; and
can meet the cost of the return or onward journey.
do not intend to carry out business, sport or entertainer visitor activities;
do not intend to marry or form a civil partnership or give notice of marriage or civil partnership;
do not intend to receive private medical treatment during your visit , and
are not in transit to a country outside the Common Travel Area.
If you want to do business during your visit you also have to show that you:
normally live and work abroad and you have no plans to base yourself in the United Kingdom; and
do not plan to work, produce goods or provide services in the United Kingdom.


http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visitingtheuk/visitors/eligibility/

If he had been a Japanese trying to enter the UK, I don't think he could have met enough of the above criteria to get in.

[Mulboyne]

From what Cyka says, the guy knows he screwed up the visa side. He could have got away with it but, as Cyka knows herself, immigration people do keep an eye out for people who look like they might be on a visa run. As she says, as soon as he indicated to them that he had a residence in Japan, he was in bad shape.

The main issue is that he didn't understand what options were then available to him and the choices he made screwed him royally. I'm grateful Cyka has posted this story because I wasn't aware of how tricky life can get once you are denied entry. That status seems to close a lot of doors.

[CrankyBastard]

The main issue is that he didn't understand what options were then available to him and the choices he made screwed him royally.

I realize that immigration aren't given to handing out advice, but I wonder if he asked them what his options were.
It appears that he had spent about two years here, enough time to know when to put on a subservile smile, and in his best Japanese to ask.
As I said, I do feel sorry for him, and yes, his story makes us all more aware.

[maraboutslim]

Why anyone would want to fly in or out of Kix is a mystery to me!

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Now the story all makes sense. It started with his Working Holiday VISA was soon too expire, which made it all really seemed fucked of the J-Immi. That it already was expired, they simply saw him as playing the 3 month in and out tourist VISA game and busted him. Ok, feel bad for the guy and it sucks that he got caught up in the shell game of who can we pin this fuck up on, but no Hollywood blockbuster on this one.

that's what i originally thought and i knew that he was there on the one originally and i believe he had it extended once as well. and yes, i agree, that's how immigration saw him, as the three month visa runner. still, he does have his teaching visa approved and ready for him to collect. and again, the treatment he received after this is an even bigger issue.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

I realize that immigration aren't given to handing out advice, but I wonder if he asked them what his options were.
It appears that he had spent about two years here, enough time to know when to put on a subservile smile, and in his best Japanese to ask.
As I said, I do feel sorry for him, and yes, his story makes us all more aware.

he isn't at all a rude foreigner, from day one he has always been polite to everyone. he did ask, very politely, several times what it was he was signing and the reply was 'it's mandatory, sign it'. i've been there, i know exactly how rude and unhelpful the immigration guys are. the ONLY reason i found out about my options was because i said i wanted them to go get someone from emirates to come down and help me before i signed anything, and then got on my phone and made sure everyone could hear i was speaking to the kenyan ambassador. only then did they go find someone to explain word for word what the document was that i was signing and what my options were for appealing.

anyone who has ever been pulled aside into that little office, even to just verify their return flights or answer questions about what they're doing there knows what they are like. even asking politely and bowing and smiling doesn't have any effect on them. they simply don't care.

[pheyton]

Immigration sucks no matter where you go. I was on the shit end one time going back to the states with my family. Fuckin officer pulled us aside because my passport didn't look right to him. Fucker wasn't even American and he hassled us for over 30min. He ran my name and everything checked out , but still decided to be an asshole. He finally had a superior come over and settle everything. Fuck I wanted to punch the asshole in the face for being a worthless pussy.

Cyka, your friend must be a pretty level headed guy, cause I would have gona ballastic after the first hour.

[CrankyBastard]

Thank you, Cyka, for the explanation.
I haven't had much need to deal with immigration at the airports, but I always had to deal with the ones that came aboard whenever I brought a ship into a Japanese port, though I must say that they were always courteous and as long as the paper work was to their satisfaction, very efficient.
'Course I'd be comparing them to the deadbeat port authorities in some cowboy towns in other countries, where nothing would get done without the obligatory 'baksheesh' bottles of Johnny Walker!

[Samurai_Jerk]

Immigration sucks no matter where you go. I was on the shit end one time going back to the states with my family.

Ain't that the truth. The US is fucking awful at all stages even once you get inside.

Last time I went home I was watching the guy who scanned everyone's fingerprints thinking how much I wanted to smack him because he was being such a prick to everyone. This one old Japanese lady walked up and he told her in English to put her left index finger on the scanned. She didn't understand him and just stared at him trying to figure out what he was saying, so he just started screaming, "Hidari! Hidari! Hidari!" with an accent so bad I doubt many Japanese people would have caught what he was saying.

Even worse was an experience a student had at an ESL program I was teaching at in the States. A student from Taiwan sent some paper work to immigration regarding extending her stay or something like that. Immigration fucked up and didn't file correctly and also gave her the wrong instructions. By the time they had figured it out they had already told her she was out of status and had to go back to Taiwan to reapply for a new student visa. They even said they knew she did what they asked and that it was their fault but the rules are the rules so she had to buy a ticket, fly home, apply for a new visa, and then fly back to continue her studies.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Cyka, your friend must be a pretty level headed guy, cause I would have gona ballastic after the first hour.

trust me, somewhere around hour 40 and they told him he was being denied onto the turkish airlines flight he was getting a bit frantic.

overall, i'm pretty much in awe of how well he handled it all. for me i was already in a state at hour 12 and my whole ordeal was only 26 total.

i think 56 hours of that earns him a fucking chrysanthemum medal!

[nottu]

[Coligny]

[quote="Tsuru"]Nothing wrong with that in Japan. Try France instead... they even insist on calling a foot a "pied", even though it is an imperial measurement ]


Nah... It's more complicate than that... remember, before beheading them, we had a monarchy. And with the monarchy, we also had an 'imperial' measure system. un pied, or 'pied-du-roi' (feet of the king) was 32.484 cm, it's 16/15th of an english feet. We had also 4 different 'lieue'(miles):

ancienne (old) 3.248 km
de Paris (of Paris) 3.898 km
Des postes (postal) 4.288 km
tarifaire (tarification) 4.678 km

Switched to metric in 1793 because we knew it would cost less to upgrade cars speedo and odometer if we were to make the switch early in the production cycle. (Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot first car was from 1769, so it still took 24 years)

Damn fifth grade troma never leaves it seems...

[Mike Oxlong]

Passport pic lands Canadian woman in lot of hot water in Kenya...

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=15009478&ch=222566

[Samurai_Jerk]

Passport pic lands Canadian woman in lot of hot water in Kenya...

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=15009478&ch=222566

Iesu kuristo. The Canadian government ought to have to pay her a lot for that fuck up. I'm sure they won't though.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Passport pic lands Canadian woman in lot of hot water in Kenya...

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?rn=222561&cl=15009478&ch=222566

interesting. i wonder why the canadian high commission was so quick to dismiss her as an imposter and took the kenyan side.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

interesting. i wonder why the canadian high commission was so quick to dismiss her as an imposter and took the kenyan side.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090812/national/kenya_woman_detained

ok, this makes a little more sense. she's somali born, and there is a huge black market for doctoring western passports and getting people into western countries via kenya. it doesn't say how she became a canadian citizen though. and if her mother is somali, i'm sure they have done some checking into how she's in kenya as well.

but the canadian government's response is pretty disgraceful. i generally don't care much for most of the western high commissions in nairobi though, they're all a bunch of snobs who think kenya is still in the happy valley era and are too quick to flash their dip cards when they get into trouble.

after what happened to my friend, i actually wonder what an embassy's actual function is aside from issuing visas to the locals for their country. the british embassy was also a big disappointment. they just kept routing the calls to london and made a vague comment about 'looking into it', but otherwise were totally useless. don't think he ever got to speak to anyone from the embassy who was actually in japan.

[Samurai_Jerk]

i actually wonder what an embassy's actual function is aside from issuing visas to the locals for their country.

Don't forget new passports and other paperwork for their citizens and giving intelligence officers cover jobs. I think you hit the nail on the head though. I've never heard of anyone with a real problem being helped by an embassy ever.

[Mike Oxlong]

The Canadian government gets thoroughly taken to task for their bumbling of the case in this news report:

Ontario premier slams Ottawa for failing to aid woman detained in Kenya

[Amanojakuu]

Yelp this thread kinda puts the shits up me... I'm on a working holiday visa, hoping to get a company to sponsor me for a full working visa... Anyone know where I can get advice on this?

I only skim read this but did the guy in question not ring the company he recieved the visa from? Surely they would be responsible for his safe entry in some way?

[DUBLINER]

Yelp this thread kinda puts the shits up me... I'm on a working holiday visa, hoping to get a company to sponsor me for a full working visa... Anyone know where I can get advice on this?

I only skim read this but did the guy in question not ring the company he recieved the visa from? Surely they would be responsible for his safe entry in some way?

If the guy REALLY had a visa in the works then he would have been given a "certificate of eligibility" by his prospective employer, a paper that he could have brought, along with his passport, to the Japanese Consulate in Macau, or any other Japanese consulate or embassy anywhere in the world. The consulate would then have asked him to come back, most likely on the next day, to pick up his passport with a proper visa in it.

The story as told by the OP makes no sense.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Don't forget new passports and other paperwork for their citizens and giving intelligence officers cover jobs. I think you hit the nail on the head though. I've never heard of anyone with a real problem being helped by an embassy ever.

that's true. i got my new passport via the embassy in nairobi. and i had to get a document notarised once. they charged me the equivalent of 7000 yen.

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Yelp this thread kinda puts the shits up me... I'm on a working holiday visa, hoping to get a company to sponsor me for a full working visa... Anyone know where I can get advice on this?

I only skim read this but did the guy in question not ring the company he recieved the visa from? Surely they would be responsible for his safe entry in some way?

you could post something in the 'visas' section, but i wouldn't take anyone's advise here too serious.

yes, he did ring his employer, but they are not responsible for getting him into the country. they just sponsor the visa. it's up to the employee to do the legwork.

[DUBLINER]

you could post something in the 'visas' section, but i wouldn't take anyone's advise here too serious.

yes, he did ring his employer, but they are not responsible for getting him into the country. they just sponsor the visa. it's up to the employee to do the legwork.

Where is the CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY ?

[wuchan]

CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY ?

That does not mean that must grant you entry. It only means someone is willing to give you work when you get here. Japan doesn't want unemployed gaijin wandering the streets so the require the cert for the VISA APPLICATION. Showing up at immigration with a COE and no visa will get your ass turned away. You need the COE before you can apply and it will take at least a week to process, probably two to three.

[Coligny]

Don't forget new passports and other paperwork for their citizens and giving intelligence officers cover jobs. I think you hit the nail on the head though. I've never heard of anyone with a real problem being helped by an embassy ever.

The French Foreign resident ID card got a wonderfull line at the back of the card:

"the holder of this card is placed under the protection of the french consulate"

Nearly pissed myself laughing when they gave it to me...

Trouble with Yakuza: beware... I have... THE CARD...
Burning sensation when you pee: wipe yourself with... THE CARD... and everything back to normal.
Godzilla stomping on Tokyo: Don't make me use... THE CARD... you overweight lizzard...
The car don't start... better than JAF... use... THE CARD... (don't know where... but there is certainly an EURO/ISO standard slot somewhere on the dash)
Cat litter full... scoop with... THE CARD... (actually that one might work)

It's the same assholes that send me back a death certificate for a family member with a felicitation/greeting card....

[Cyka UchuuJin]

The French Foreign resident ID card got a wonderfull line at the back of the card:

"the holder of this card is placed under the protection of the french consulate"

Nearly pissed myself laughing when they gave it to me...

Trouble with Yakuza: beware... I have... THE CARD...
Burning sensation when you pee: wipe yourself with... THE CARD... and everything back to normal.
Godzilla stomping on Tokyo: Don't make me use... THE CARD... you overweight lizzard...
The car don't start... better than JAF... use... THE CARD... (don't know where... but there is certainly an EURO/ISO standard slot somewhere on the dash)
Cat litter full... scoop with... THE CARD... (actually that one might work)

It's the same assholes that send me back a death certificate for a family member with a felicitation/greeting card....

i would love to hear what j-immigration would say if you pointed that out to them.