Death by Immigration

[Ganma]

[McTojo]

He became violent on the plane, he gets restrained and then has a heart attack and dies, why apologize? What's there to investigate? I get jealous when I see Nigierians married to Japanese women, especially if they're beautiful. I guess maybe next time she'll marry a Japanese.

[omae mona]

He became violent on the plane, he gets restrained and then has a heart attack and dies, why apologize? What's there to investigate?

Is that a serious quesiton?

Why do you say he had a heart attack? That is nowhere in the text. Do you have a source for that? I suspect the police were just doing their job. But of course there is a chance they applied unnecessary lethal force and covered it up. That would be illegal and wrong. And that is why there should always be a proper investigation in these cases, which is all the protesters are asking for.

Is it that complicated?

[Ganma]

Ignore McTojo. He's just trolling.

[bolt_krank]

I'm curious to find out the result of the investigation.
Also want to know - who is doing the investigation.
And if the Japanese police are found to be in the wrong, how much media coverage it will get from the Japanese media, as well as if there will be any mention in parliament. I think the obvious thing will happen for all of them - hope I'm wrong.

[xenomorph42]

He became violent on the plane, he gets restrained and then has a heart attack and dies, why apologize? What's there to investigate? I get jealous when I see Nigierians married to Japanese women, especially if they're beautiful. I guess maybe next time she'll marry a Japanese.

What??

[Ketou]

He became violent on the plane, he gets restrained and then has a heart attack and dies, why apologize? What's there to investigate? I get jealous when I see Nigierians married to Japanese women, especially if they're beautiful. I guess maybe next time she'll marry a Japanese.

What what??

[Ganma]

[Behan]

"It is a sorry thing that we have done."

I wonder what the original quote in Japanese was. I would expect apologies from officials to be more like:

"It is a sorry thing that happened."

as a means of avoiding responsibility.

[eddie]

i might get violent were i to be taken away from my wife and child.
particularly if i felt i had been treated unfairly.

now, i'm not saying that anything unfair happened, but i'm prepared to listen to this story unfold...

regardless, the ending is saddening.

[Mulboyne]

[Ganma]

[McTojo]

i might get violent were i to be taken away from my wife and child.
particularly if i felt i had been treated unfairly.

now, i'm not saying that anything unfair happened, but i'm prepared to listen to this story unfold...

regardless, the ending is saddening.

So what's your point Eddie? That black A$$ was in the country illegally. He gets violent and the "J" police respond with violence. What's legal recourse of action is accorded to a criminal who gets violent with the authorities?

[Mulboyne]

What's legal recourse of action is accorded to a criminal who gets violent with the authorities?

I think you mean "What legal course of action can the authorities take against a criminal responding violently?"

I'm reasonably sure it doesn't include killing him and it seems like the investigators might agree.

[Greji]

I think you mean "What legal course of action can the authorities take against a criminal responding violently?"

I'm reasonably sure it doesn't include killing him and it seems like the investigators might agree.

Mulboyne, again you fail to understand. Under McTurd's teachings of Japanese culture, Japanese can apply any undue force, even lethal force, to any individual that is not Japanese. This will help them keep the species pure and if the individual happens to be in violation of the law, they get more points for their next purchase on Amazon.com.

[TennoChinko]

So what's your point Eddie? That black A$$ was in the country illegally. He gets violent and the "J" police respond with violence. What's legal recourse of action is accorded to a criminal who gets violent with the authorities?

Err... pot kettle bleck ? !

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[Coligny]

Say... What what??

in the butt...


/Southpark FTW

/got nuthin'

[McTojo]

I think you mean "What legal course of action can the authorities take against a criminal responding violently?"

I'm reasonably sure it doesn't include killing him and it seems like the investigators might agree.

I don't wan't his Black A$$ here! And that goes for his W$ore wife,too. Is she crazy? The authorities did me a favor! One less on of them and we all can have a marry christmas!

[TennoChinko]

[SIZE="4"]I don't wan't his Black A$$ here![/SIZE] And that goes for his W$ore wife,too. Is she crazy? The authorities did me a favor! One less on of them and we all can have a marry christmas!

You tell 'em, Clayton!

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[Mulboyne]

Here's the Mainichi report:

Chiba police have sent their reports to prosecutors on 10 immigration control officers at Narita airport, suspecting them of assaulting a Ghanaian man as he was being deported in March, resulting in his death, investigative sources said Tuesday.

Although they have not been placed under arrest, the officers are accused of involvement in the death of Abubakar Awudu Suraj, 45, who died after several of the officers sought to restrain him as he resisted being put aboard a flight from Narita to Cairo on March 22 for staying in Japan illegally, according to the sources.

Chiba police said earlier that an autopsy found no external wounds, broken bones, disease or other potential causes of death.

But in June, Suraj's 49-year-old Japanese widow filed a complaint with prosecutors against the immigration officers, alleging they injured him and caused him to die during the deportation process.

An official at the Tokyo Regional Immigration Bureau, to which the officers belong, on Tuesday expressed willingness to cooperate with the probe, saying, "We will continue to cooperate with the investigations and would like to deal with sincerity with people involved in the case, such as the bereaved family, based on the results of the investigations."

You have to think it's unlikely that all 10 immigration officials had training in how to restrain a violent prisoner, even though resistance was a possibility given the way deportation frequently takes place while a detainee still thinks an appeal is in process.

I read that Suraj was put in handcuffs when he was struggling. There's a fair chance he was put face down on the floor for that. There's really no other way of doing it but there comes a point when a man being restrained in that fashion might stop resisting and start struggling to breathe. Any trained official will know its important to get him back on his feet quickly after putting him in cuffs. An untrained man will feel him struggling and keep him on his stomach, pressing down, which can worsen the situation. Positional asphyxia is not an uncommon cause of death in such instances.

Even if a detainee doesn't suffocate, lack of air can bring on heart failure. It can't have helped that the officals are said to have stuffed a towel in his face. It seems highly likely to me that no-one involved could tell the difference between a captive offering resistance and one fighting to stay alive.

[Yokohammer]

It seems highly likely to me that no-one involved could tell the difference between a captive offering resistance and one fighting to stay alive.

So ... you're suggesting incompetence? Perhaps a total lack of essential training?

Impossible! Those men were wearing uniforms and badges!!

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[Mulboyne]

Similar cases in Britain. Guardian editorial from October 2010:

Guardian: The death of Jimmy Mubenga - Restraint and the state

Death in custody is always shocking, and rightly so. The death of Jimmy Mubenga on Tuesday, as he begged for help from fellow passengers on flight BA77, should sound alarm bells throughout the Home Office. A postmortem has so far failed to confirm the cause of death. But eyewitnesses report that the 46-year-old Angolan citizen was being forcibly restrained as the plane prepared to depart for Luanda. Deportations are an unavoidable aspect of any immigration policy. But they must be carried out by guards who are properly trained to minimise both the stress and the distress. It is about patience, compassion and calm, not the pre-emptive use of overwhelming force.

It would be wrong to prejudge the current police inquiry. But the prisons ombudsman – who has been asked by the Home Office to report on Mr Mubenga's death – has investigated nine deaths in immigration removal centres since 2004 and, although no deportee has died since 1993, when Joy Gardner was suffocated after being gagged with 13ft of sticky tape, two years ago concerned organisations compiled a dossier of nearly 300 separate claims of abuse by failed asylum seekers. An inquiry commissioned by the Home Office that reported earlier this year could investigate only a small fraction of the allegations, and found no systemic abuse. But it was strongly critical of the lack of proper process, which meant that more than half the allegations examined had simply been ignored by the Border Agency. Meanwhile, the year before, the prisons inspector had also reported that there were too few effective safeguards, wide variations in standards, and worrying gaps and weaknesses in complaints and monitoring.

Against this backdrop, the Home Office's initial response that Mr Mubenga had "died after being taken unwell" is at the very least inadequate. If eyewitness accounts given to the Guardian are correct – and they corroborate one another – it is inaccurate too. Occasionally, it is necessary to uphold the law by force. The accompanying safeguard has to be that any death while in the care of the state is swiftly followed by an adequate and transparent investigation. A report from the prisons ombudsman is not enough.

In the past 20 years, understanding of the dangers of restraint has greatly improved, but there is no system to ensure that every organisation empowered to use force in the name of the state applies the lessons of earlier tragedies. There is too much evidence that some private security firms do not properly understand the risks of restraint techniques. More fundamentally, it also seems there is neither the oversight nor the accountability that are the preconditions of the safe and proper exercise of state power.

[Ganma]

[McTojo]

[SIZE="3"]Family sues gov't over death of Ghanaian man during deportation[/SIZE]

I want to respond in a sensible way, but I just want to shoot from the cuff and skip the niceties. First off, this could've happened to anyone of African extraction. I say African, because had the detainee been any other nationality, he or she would've been accorded the full rights and protection under the law.

The fact that he was African and on Japanese soil illegally, and that he had resisted arrest, forced the authorities to respond to a situation that they clearly weren't prepared for, thus the breakdown in procedural protocol. This could've happened in any country - far worse outcome I believe.

I don't believe immigration should be liable for damages, but a thorough review on the handling of detainees, and some reprimands would be in order. I personally don't like this couple. The fact that this issues has gained so much press is agitating! Africans just want to ruin the country and the women and ruin the racial harmony with their BS. I don't abhor the African, though. Just not his a$$ in Japan.

[IparryU]

I want to respond in a sensible way, but I just want to shoot from the cuff and skip the niceties. First off, this could've happened to anyone of African extraction. I say African, because had the detainee been any other nationality, he or she would've been accorded the full rights and protection under the law.

The fact that he was African and on Japanese soil illegally, and that he had resisted arrest, forced the authorities to respond to a situation that they clearly weren't prepared for, thus the breakdown in procedural protocol. This could've happened in any country - far worse outcome I believe.

I don't believe immigration should be liable for damages, but a thorough review on the handling of detainees, and some reprimands would be in order. I personally don't like this couple. The fact that this issues has gained so much press is agitating! Africans just want to ruin the country and the women and ruin the racial harmony with their BS. I don't abhor the African, though. Just not his a$$ in Japan.

Seeing how much hate you have for Africans... i take it that the gay that was fucking you in the ass left you for a real brotha that was younger and tighter than you...

you gots some issues man...

[matsuki]

I don't wan't his Black A$$ here! And that goes for his W$ore wife,too. Is she crazy? The authorities did me a favor! One less on of them and we all can have a marry christmas!

OK McTojo, imagine that the dead guy was Japanese. Sounds like, at the very least, the cops incompetence in handling the situation lead to his death. I have no problem with cops getting shots in on a someone that gets violent with them....but it doesn't matter if the guy was black, purple, or Japanese, if the J-cops can't retrain someone without killing him, that's a pretty serious problem.

[Greji]

I want to respond in a sensible way, but I just want to shoot from the cuff and skip the niceties. First off, this could've happened to anyone of African extraction. I say African, because had the detainee been any other nationality, he or she would've been accorded the full rights and protection under the law.

McT'Bald. Where I don't disagree with most of your post, I would think if all that I have read about this case is correct, it isn't totally a rights and/or protection problems here. He was legally being deported. He went apeshit and died as a result of heart/respiratory failure from the struggles. His ass wasn't beat into the carpet with a brick. Apparently, because he shifted into ape-shit mode, the Immigrations/airline clowns didn't recognize or accept his physical condition as critical and may of thought it was a ploy to further keep from being deported. This is where the legal suit should be centered. Maybe he was being treated different leading into his deportation because he was African and whatever. The fact remains that he was being legally deported.

However, having said that, if you would care to check the brothers around Roppongi crossroads, there ain't more than one visa per twenty and probably not more than three passports between them all, which are probably passed around when needed. It ain't hard to understand why immigrations don't particularly trust them.

[McTojo]

Seeing how much hate you have for Africans... i take it that the gay that was fucking you in the ass left you for a real brotha that was younger and tighter than you...

you gots some issues man...

I'm the pulsing cock of the nation. Not gay.

[McTojo]

OK McTojo, imagine that the dead guy was Japanese. Sounds like, at the very least, the cops incompetence in handling the situation lead to his death. I have no problem with cops getting shots in on a someone that gets violent with them....but it doesn't matter if the guy was black, purple, or Japanese, if the J-cops can't retrain someone without killing him, that's a pretty serious problem.

Incompetence you say? i say lack of training since incidences like this don't happen everyday. When is the last time a J-Cop had to force someone onto a plane who had a latent heart condition...? I think the officers handing the situation followed procedures according to how they were trained. The authorities did not kill the man. There was no intent to kill. The man simply died resisting arrest bought on by his own defiance. The judge will see this point and through the case out.

[matsuki]

Incompetence you say? i say lack of training since incidences like this don't happen everyday. When is the last time a J-Cop had to force someone onto a plane who had a latent heart condition...? I think the officers handing the situation followed procedures according to how they were trained. The authorities did not kill the man. There was no intent to kill. The man simply died resisting arrest bought on by his own defiance. The judge will see this point and through the case out.

Is it standard procedure to stuff a towel in his mouth? I don't doubt it was an accident but it sounds like they did more than what they were trained to do...and dun goof'd!