Bin Laden Is Dead, U.S. Official Says

[ChargerCarl]

And Taliban leaders at that time were stating that Bin Laden was under their surveilliance and cut from the rest of the world. since the USA were letting them having their field day wherever they wanted, they had all interest in keeping it low against the continental US...


The trouble is while there is some area of doubt, it allow all the nutcase to fill the airwaves with their complete bulshitt of shapeshifting reptiles and bilderberg conspiracy... And it don't leave anyplace for rationnal debate...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11_attacks#Osama_bin_Laden_statements_after_9.2F11

There really isn't much doubt in the intelligence community anyways.

[Mike Oxlong]

[Samurai_Jerk]

[sublight]

1. you're crazy
2. you don't have any factual evidence supporting your claim
3. why would the U.S. want to make up something which inflicts a net cost upon society?

oh and did I mention you're crazy?

But you have to admit he's chosen his name well.

[Coligny]

1. you're crazy

troll=\=crazy

2. you don't have any factual evidence supporting your claim

Yeah, but must admit there is no official AlQueada Member card... or union... or healthcare plan... any clown can claim to be alquaeda, and governement can blame anything on alquaeda... it's sort of a catch 22...

3. why would the U.S. want to make up something which inflicts a net cost upon society?

Hummmm... aboot dat... Must admit that it was used as justification to shape the country in ways that would have been unimaginable in normal circumstances... It's a consequence, not a cause, I know... But Halliburton and few other are still laughing on their way to the bank...

[ChargerCarl]

Hummmm... aboot dat... Must admit that it was used as justification to shape the country in ways that would have been unimaginable in normal circumstances... It's a consequence, not a cause, I know... But Halliburton and few other are still laughing on their way to the bank...

So in 2000 after being elected and the CBO predicting huge budget surpluses for years to come and outstanding growth prospects the president had nothing better to do than launch a war against a "fictional" para-military organization which completely tarnished his legacy as a leader?

Sounds "crazy" to me

[Coligny]

Sounds "crazy" to me

I thought that for W the conclusion reached was "retarded"...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Doesn't really mean fuck and I'm sorry to Americans for putting a dampener on the party, but it kinda irks me about the lack of due process involved in OBL's death.
In a perfect world, OBL would not have been assassinated while unarmed, captured instead of slain and then put on trial while being given a chance to defend himself.
I can understand why the U.S. wouldn't want that, but it would also send a tremendous message of the strength of the U.S.-led Western democracies to those medieval fools who follow the likes of OBL.
I'm no great fan of U.S. Imperialism, but of all the empires that have ever existed, it's easily been the most benevolent.
Using OBL to demean himself with his archaic messages would have been a far more powerful way for the U.S. to destroy his movement than just blowing his head apart as OBL's followers would do to their enemies.

[Yokohammer]

In a perfect world, OBL would not have been assassinated while unarmed, captured instead of slain and then put on trial while being given a chance to defend himself.

As far as I know, the official story is that when the Seals burst in on OBL they demanded he surrender, but he reached for a weapon, and that's why they shot him. A man in his position would not be unarmed.

Of course that's the official story, and official stories are sometimes a bit off.

[Ganma]

As far as I know, the official story is that when the Seals burst in on OBL they demanded he surrender, but he reached for a weapon, and that's why they shot him. A man in his position would not be unarmed.

Of course that's the official story, and official stories are sometimes a bit off.

According to Fox News anyway...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/03/official-guards-bin-laden-compound-time-raid/

However we all know how reliable they are. We'll probably never know the truth.

[ChargerCarl]

Doesn't really mean fuck and I'm sorry to Americans for putting a dampener on the party, but it kinda irks me about the lack of due process involved in OBL's death.

Due process? I haven't kept up with all the recent information but wasn't he killed in a firefight?

I'm no great fan of U.S. Imperialism, but of all the empires that have ever existed, it's easily been the most benevolent.

Comparatively, U.S. hegemony has been extremely benign. I really don't understand how you came to this conclusion.

[Samurai_Jerk]

According to Fox News anyway...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/03/official-guards-bin-laden-compound-time-raid/

However we all know how reliable they are. We'll probably never know the truth.

No, that's not just what FOX is saying that's the official white house line.

The only reason I think it would have been good to take him alive is to prove to the world that we got him.

Comparatively, U.S. hegemony has been extremely benign. I really don't understand how you came to this conclusion.

You and SDH are pretty much saying the same thing.

[ChargerCarl]

yeah, i'm dumb. i read that as malevolent.

my bad

[Ganma]

The only reason I think it would have been good to take him alive is to prove to the world that we got him.

I totally agree. Now the conspiracy theories will never end.
Maybe one Seal got gung-ho and decided to blow OBL's head off for his own glory.

[Coligny]

Comparatively, U.S. hegemony has been extremely benign. I really don't understand how you came to this conclusion.

Well... except for the part were they helped Bin Laden against the Soviet in Afghanistan long time ago...

But Jon Stewart put it more... simply let say...
Not even funny when you think...

[Yokohammer]

[legion]

I totally agree. Now the conspiracy theories will never end.
Maybe one Seal got gung-ho and decided to blow OBL's head off for his own glory.

plus one, it would have been better in the long run to capture him and put him on trial, however I have a feeling it would have been extremely difficult to actually find a piece of solid evidence linking him personally to any actual act. If you've ever read or seen any of his interviews or speeches he just seems to ramble on in vague pseudo religious terms.

Still, they got his hard drives so I guess now we will get the answer to the most important question, was he really a closet Van Halen fan?

[ChargerCarl]

ewww

I hate van halen

[Ganma]

Still, they got his hard drives so I guess now we will get the answer to the most important question, was he really a closet Van Halen fan?

Or was he really a fan of 'Girls Gone Wild'???

[CrankyBastard]

Still, they got his hard drives so I guess now we will get the answer to the most important question,

Was he responsible for hacking the playstation network?

[Ganma]

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Botched job?

[SIZE="3"][B]Osama bin Laden's daughter watched special forces shoot him dead[/SIZE][/B]

I feel sorry for the poor kid...it's not really fair on an innocent child to see their parent gunned down, but perhaps she can take consolation from knowing that billions of people around the world watched live as thousands died following her dad's orders and maybe she can become a better person than he was.

[ChargerCarl]

Was he responsible for hacking the playstation network?

Actually thats how the CIA found him, he had submitted his real address to PSN.

Also they tracked his iphone

[TennoChinko]

[SIZE="2"]Warning: pics below are kinda gruesome...[/SIZE]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42904110/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/

Photos show three dead men at bin Laden raid house

By Adrees Latif | Reuters

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Photographs acquired by Reuters and taken about an hour after the U.S. assault on Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan show three dead men lying in pools of blood, but no weapons.
The photos, taken by a Pakistani security official who entered the compound after the early morning raid on Monday, show two men dressed in traditional Pakistani garb and one in a t-shirt, with blood streaming from their ears, noses and mouths.

The official, who wished to remain anonymous, sold the pictures to Reuters.
None of the men looked like bin Laden. President Barack Obama decided not to release photos of his body because it could have incited violence and used as an al Qaeda propaganda tool, the White House said on Wednesday.
Based on the time-stamps on the pictures, the earliest one was dated May 2, 2:30 a.m., approximately an hour after the completion of the raid in which bin Laden was killed.

Other photos, taken hours later at between 5:21 a.m. and 6:43 a.m. show the outside of the trash-strewn compound and the wreckage of the helicopter the United States abandoned. The tail assembly is unusual, and could indicate some kind of previously unknown stealth capability.
Reuters is confident of the authenticity of the purchased images because details in the photos appear to show a wrecked helicopter from the assault, matching details from photos taken independently on Monday.
U.S. forces lost a helicopter in the raid due to a mechanical problem and later destroyed it.
The pictures are also taken in sequence and are all the same size in pixels, indicating they have not been tampered with. The time and date in the photos as recorded in the digital file's metadata match lighting conditions for the area as well as the time and date imprinted on the image itself.

The close-cropped pictures do not show any weapons on the dead men, but the photos are taken in medium close-up and often crop out the men's hands and arms.

One photo shows a computer cable and what looks like a child's plastic green and orange water pistol lying under the right shoulder of one of the dead men. A large pool of blood has formed under his head.

A second shows another man with a streak of blood running from his nose across his right cheek and a large band of blood across his chest.
A third man, in a T-shirt, is on his back in a large pool of blood which appears to be from a head wound.

U.S. acknowledgment on Tuesday that bin Laden was unarmed when shot dead had raised accusations Washington had violated international law. The exact circumstances of his death remained unclear and could yet fuel controversy, especially in the Muslim world.

Pakistan faced national embarrassment, a leading Islamabad newspaper said, in explaining how the world's most-wanted man was able to live for years in the military garrison town of Abbottabad, just north of the capital.

Pakistan blamed worldwide intelligence lapses for a failure to detect bin Laden, while Washington worked to establish whether its ally had sheltered the al Qaeda leader, which Islamabad vehemently denies.
(Writing by Chris Allbritton; Editing by Jon Boyle)

[Mike Oxlong]

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[Samurai_Jerk]

Obama Decides Bin Laden Photos Will Not Be Released

Fearing that their release could pose a risk to national security because they might incite violence, President Obama has decided not to make public any post-mortem photos of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, the White House announced this afternoon.

The decision, which the president revealed today during an interview with CBS News, follows an internal debate within the administration about whether the photos, described by the White House as gruesome, posed too much of a risk or needed to be made public to prove to any doubters that bin Laden is dead.

Any skeptics, Carney says Obama told CBS News, should know that bin Laden "will not walk this Earth again."

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Fuck yeah...

[Mulboyne]

BBC Radio's "Moral Maze" programme looked at the killing of Osama bin Laden. Available for a week.

Here

[Coligny]

Warning: pics below are kinda gruesome...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42904110/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/

Already saw this drone, but can't put a name on it... (the one that look like it was made with RAH66 leftover parts...)

[Tsuru]

"Nice shot, Sir"