Fuck gaman...

[matsuki]

Is he still in Canada?

Who knows but he called out the situation quite well in that article.

[Ganma]

Who knows but he called out the situation quite well in that article.

Yes. I guess Ganbatte is the J version of 'Pray for salvation'.

[rooboy]

Fuck you are beyond full of shit. Doorless walk-in showers is becoming mainstream? Are you fucking smoking some green stuff?

The flooring in our house is beautiful hardwood that I don't believe I can find in Canada. The lumber used in our house is J-grade lumber, the best quality in the market.

My place in California is of OK quality because we used different materials than in Canada but in Canada my $2 million house is shit in quality compared with Japan even though it is about 3 times the size.

If you are comparing shithole apartments in Queens or The Bronx with six tatami room places in Tokyo, the ones in Tokyo are better quality. But if you are comparing the six tatami rentals in Tokyo to a beach house in Santa Barbara then you're fucked. I have a house in Tokyo, Toronto and California. I have had two of those houses built myself, so I know what quality is. Japan wins the quality war every single time in every category you can imagine, not just housing. Meat, fish, coffee, porcelaine, fruits, clothing, you name it.

The fact that homes are insulated in Canada does not mean they are of better quality. The Japanese airconditioning systems are all the rage in North America. Even Japanese appliances like Toshiba brand refrigirators are making inroads because they are more efficient.

Heh, heh - now we all know that Jack is a big fat fucking 10 bowls' worth of fruitloops. All that drinking nihonshu, ya know, the disinfectant that some gaijin and most J men like to drink, has rotted The Squealer's brain, whatever was there in the first place.

In case Jackass didn't notice, the posters here are talking about what's USUAL in Japan - and fucked up, jerry-built, shithouse 'apartments' and houses with pisspoor building materials, fuck-all insulation in a country that mostly has very cold winters apart from Kyushu and Okinawa (and even then in Kyushu it aint snow much but it's damn cold most of the winter), tangled electrical wires and cables being one of the 'sights' of Japan, crappy plumbing and general shoddy workmanship are USUAL.

Go on, tell us about your 'custom built' home - the overwhelming majority of houses in Japan are not custom built and the apatos also fall into the main category of shoddiness with a minority being well built in the real sense of the word.

Lemme share a memory with you - I moved into a small house in a suburb of Tokyo 5 years ago and when I got the tatami mats changed, I saw just how fucking bad it was underneath. There was literally dirt under the old tatami mats cause the people who built the house didn't bother to build any real foundations - there was a tiny space between what I thought was the living room floor and 100 percent dirt and assorted filth underneath.

As for the weirdo assertion that meat (yeah, just love that over priced fatty crap from animals that can't roam around unless it's the over-rated waygyu beef where they probably also are mostly kept in shitty conditions, with all the extra chemicals added), fish (yeah, I like to keep my hair which is why I don't eat that toxic crap that passes for fish), coffee (heh heh, Japan's the country that promotes chemicals in a can flavoured with a coffee taste as normal and you can't get decent ACTUAL coffee except in Doutor and Starbuck's), fruits (how many assorted chemicals do you want with that to keep the 'fresh', overpriced fruits looking fresh for weeks?), clothing (spose if you like Cosplay outfits) are all superior:confused: you've got some weird Big In Japan complex.

Add into the mix the fact that all these things esp the crap housing are overpriced for the very poor quality you receive for your yen, and we're wondering if you take your medication to keep your hallucinations under control.

[Jack]

Heh, heh - now we all know that Jack is a big fat fucking 10 bowls' worth of fruitloops. All that drinking nihonshu, ya know, the disinfectant that some gaijin and most J men like to drink, has rotted The Squealer's brain, whatever was there in the first place.

In case Jackass didn't notice, the posters here are talking about what's USUAL in Japan - and fucked up, jerry-built, shithouse 'apartments' and houses with pisspoor building materials, fuck-all insulation in a country that mostly has very cold winters apart from Kyushu and Okinawa (and even then in Kyushu it aint snow much but it's damn cold most of the winter), tangled electrical wires and cables being one of the 'sights' of Japan, crappy plumbing and general shoddy workmanship are USUAL.

Go on, tell us about your 'custom built' home - the overwhelming majority of houses in Japan are not custom built and the apatos also fall into the main category of shoddiness with a minority being well built in the real sense of the word.

Lemme share a memory with you - I moved into a small house in a suburb of Tokyo 5 years ago and when I got the tatami mats changed, I saw just how fucking bad it was underneath. There was literally dirt under the old tatami mats cause the people who built the house didn't bother to build any real foundations - there was a tiny space between what I thought was the living room floor and 100 percent dirt and assorted filth underneath.

As for the weirdo assertion that meat (yeah, just love that over priced fatty crap from animals that can't roam around unless it's the over-rated waygyu beef where they probably also are mostly kept in shitty conditions, with all the extra chemicals added), fish (yeah, I like to keep my hair which is why I don't eat that toxic crap that passes for fish), coffee (heh heh, Japan's the country that promotes chemicals in a can flavoured with a coffee taste as normal and you can't get decent ACTUAL coffee except in Doutor and Starbuck's), fruits (how many assorted chemicals do you want with that to keep the 'fresh', overpriced fruits looking fresh for weeks?), clothing (spose if you like Cosplay outfits) are all superior:confused: you've got some weird Big In Japan complex.

Add into the mix the fact that all these things esp the crap housing are overpriced for the very poor quality you receive for your yen, and we're wondering if you take your medication to keep your hallucinations under control.

I don't even know where to start. You're full of shit from start to finish. When's your 17th birthday?

[6810]

Heh, heh - now we all know that Jack is a big fat fucking 10 bowls' worth of fruitloops. All that drinking nihonshu, ya know, the disinfectant that some gaijin and most J men like to drink, has rotted The Squealer's brain, whatever was there in the first place.

In case Jackass didn't notice, the posters here are talking about what's USUAL in Japan - and fucked up, jerry-built, shithouse 'apartments' and houses with pisspoor building materials, fuck-all insulation in a country that mostly has very cold winters apart from Kyushu and Okinawa (and even then in Kyushu it aint snow much but it's damn cold most of the winter), tangled electrical wires and cables being one of the 'sights' of Japan, crappy plumbing and general shoddy workmanship are USUAL.

Go on, tell us about your 'custom built' home - the overwhelming majority of houses in Japan are not custom built and the apatos also fall into the main category of shoddiness with a minority being well built in the real sense of the word.

Lemme share a memory with you - I moved into a small house in a suburb of Tokyo 5 years ago and when I got the tatami mats changed, I saw just how fucking bad it was underneath. There was literally dirt under the old tatami mats cause the people who built the house didn't bother to build any real foundations - there was a tiny space between what I thought was the living room floor and 100 percent dirt and assorted filth underneath.

As for the weirdo assertion that meat (yeah, just love that over priced fatty crap from animals that can't roam around unless it's the over-rated waygyu beef where they probably also are mostly kept in shitty conditions, with all the extra chemicals added), fish (yeah, I like to keep my hair which is why I don't eat that toxic crap that passes for fish), coffee (heh heh, Japan's the country that promotes chemicals in a can flavoured with a coffee taste as normal and you can't get decent ACTUAL coffee except in Doutor and Starbuck's), fruits (how many assorted chemicals do you want with that to keep the 'fresh', overpriced fruits looking fresh for weeks?), clothing (spose if you like Cosplay outfits) are all superior:confused: you've got some weird Big In Japan complex.

Add into the mix the fact that all these things esp the crap housing are overpriced for the very poor quality you receive for your yen, and we're wondering if you take your medication to keep your hallucinations under control.

Said it before and will say it again... by posting such drivel, you only affirm your socio-economic status in Japan. No one made you rent shitty apartments, did they? No, you with your low value earnings you got what you paid for...

[rooboy]

Nah mate, you're just in a bitchy mood like your mate Jack. Maybe you haven't lived in Japan for a while but most of the posters here don't agree with you and your buddy. The majority of houses and apatos in Japan ARE shitty in their construction, materials, utilities arrangements etc which is the point of much of this thread. I think it's bloody obvious that people like Taro know more than posters like Frootloops Jack and your girly self.

If you live in one of the minority of well constructed places - give yourself and Jack a little clap. As for his obviously bullshit assertions about the 'superior quality' of coffee (yeah, this is the home of canned coffee::rolleyes: ) and how everything of superior quality in the world is somehow bought by the Japanese etc etc:liar: , thats just a joke. Oh, I geddit - you're another of the 'millionaires' who hangs out on fuckedgaijin.

[rooboy]

Oh yeah - and the families who lived around me were average earners like in not low socio economic status. Their places were similar and I bet they had the same shitty lack of foundations under their floors. Par for the course in Japan to have poor construction in most housing.

But if the point of Frootloops' Jack's and your posts is to point out how 'wealthy' you are, I guess reality's not gonna make much difference to you.

[tone]

its just trickle down blame here - the building materials may look new when installed, but all the laminate and particle board bullshit does not last, then its the renters or owners responsibility to fix

i dunno, maybe some of you guys have some rich in-laws, with solid wood trim and income from capital, awesome for you. but this thread does contain some truth for me.

I was only pissed enough to jump on here after having our molding turn out to be crap sawdust when a small book fell on it and fucking broke off a 500 yen piece sized crumble. and this is a relatively new, not cheap mansion, with "wood floors, and perfect sterile wallpaper (cant hang art).

that and the fucking recycle people acting like their megaphone announcements are public service. gotta gaman through this shit, but its not fun

[6810]

Oh yeah - and the families who lived around me were average earners like in not low socio economic status. Their places were similar and I bet they had the same shitty lack of foundations under their floors. Par for the course in Japan to have poor construction in most housing.

But if the point of Frootloops' Jack's and your posts is to point out how 'wealthy' you are, I guess reality's not gonna make much difference to you.

Mate, you have no idea. I have no idea who Jack is in real life and I work my ass off to keep me and my family in a decent domicile. I've also only been here around ten years... is that long or short according to your inestimable ability to ascertain the truth of your foreign peers in Japan?

I can say without qualification that the biyatches who whine about inferior building materials standards/materials:

(a) Have very little understanding of the whole context of Japanese construction (including earthquake/typhoon proofing).

(b) As I said before, they are simply showing their socio-economic status as strugglers/battlers who are happy to take pot shots at those who long ago refused to settle for low standards.

The place you live in, its qualities and facilities are determined by

(a) Your own personal standards/ethics

(b) Your tax bracket.

In your case, I suggest you earn your way out of the ghetto you're constantly so happy to whine about.

[Coligny]

(a) Have very little understanding of the whole context of Japanese construction (including earthquake/typhoon proofing).

(b) As I said before, they are simply showing their socio-economic status as strugglers/battlers who are happy to take pot shots at those who long ago refused to settle for low standards.

The place you live in, its qualities and facilities are determined by

(a) Your own personal standards/ethics

(b) Your tax bracket.

In your case, I suggest you earn your way out of the ghetto you're constantly so happy to whine about.

As someone who live in a family stuffed with flooze, with 2 different buildings, designed by an architect who is the bro in law of mom in law. One of them being held to standard required for publicly accessible facilities geared toward medical practice. I can tell you that NO MONEY alone can buy you quality work, you have to fight for everything all the time, with all the companies involved.

It's not a matter of standard/ethic like you pompous fuckhead say, implying we are a lower cast. It's a matter of being behind the back of these fucking useless morons every minutes, because every second you look somewhere else they will either fuck up or try to improvise to jack up the costs while a worse job. That's how the central cooling system in the clinic got fucked up. Dadinlaw saw the maintenance company was fucking with him, so he sent them to hell and replaced with independant room units...

Please don't try to act like a playa. You don't know who's here, some walked beside the dinosaurs when they first arrived (and probably also had sex with them before goats came to life, but i really don't want to picture this right now) and some can just... litterally... buy you and make you their bitch... So tone down and stop trying to fart higher than your bunghole, when you are snorkelling it don't make any difference...

[Jack]

If you live in one of the minority of well constructed places - give yourself and Jack a little clap. As for his obviously bullshit assertions about the 'superior quality' of coffee (yeah, this is the home of canned coffee::rolleyes: ) and how everything of superior quality in the world is somehow bought by the Japanese etc etc:liar: , thats just a joke. Oh, I geddit - you're another of the 'millionaires' who hangs out on fuckedgaijin.

If I have to convince you that all good stuff goes to Japan because that's where the suppliers can get the highest prices then you are just a useless pauper shit. Dickhead, that's a universally known fact. You may not be able to afford it, that's a different issue. Not all coffee sold in Japan is the best but the BEST coffee in the world goes to japan. Now deal with it. If English people were not so hell bent on not paying more than 99 cents for everything, they might have good quality stuff too.

[Coligny]

It's nice to see you had your booster shots of stoopid Jack...

[rooboy]

If I have to convince you that all good stuff goes to Japan because that's where the suppliers can get the highest prices then you are just a useless pauper shit. Dickhead, that's a universally known fact. You may not be able to afford it, that's a different issue. Not all coffee sold in Japan is the best but the BEST coffee in the world goes to japan. Now deal with it. If English people were not so hell bent on not paying more than 99 cents for everything, they might have good quality stuff too.

Okay, well where is this best coffee that's coming in? What is it? I've never seen imported coffee in Japan including the best from European and South American countries as well as from Oz/US that I can't get back home in Oz for half the price or less.

[Jack]

Okay, well where is this best coffee that's coming in? What is it? I've never seen imported coffee in Japan including the best from European and South American countries as well as from Oz/US that I can't get back home in Oz for half the price or less.

Not only coffee, which is just one example of thousands of products. But if you absolutely must see, send me a private message if you are in Tokyo and I'll tell you where to go to find all grades of Blue Mountain coffee beans.

This also true espoecially for fish, ask any fishing company in Portugal, Spain, Canada or Australia and they will tell you the best fish is flown to Tsukiji. Steel, cotton fabric, wool, lumber, paper, spices, fruits and vegetables (even the stuff from China is of greater quality than that sold domestically in China. Quality meaning uniform size and no blemishes on skin).

I'll tell you another example. Magna International, one of the largest auto parts OEM in Canada was asked by Honda, which was trying to increase its North American procurement of parts, to produce certain body components. After several months of back and forth, Magna could not manufacture to Honda's quality specs and all parts were rejected. This was told to me by an employee at Magna, which makes parts to the big three U.S. carmakers.

So you can bang your head against the wall all you want, this is just universal truth. The fact that you had dirt under your tatami proves shit. You wold have found cockroach colonies under your carpet in the Bronx.

[matsuki]

If I have to convince you that all good stuff goes to Japan because that's where the suppliers can get the highest prices then you are just a useless pauper shit. Dickhead, that's a universally known fact. You may not be able to afford it, that's a different issue.

The different issue is this top .00001% of whatever that goes to Japan isn't what we were talking about to begin with. You were the one that brought that up and kept trying to use it as an excuse for not being able to find the same quality lumber in Canada. (a very laughable claim but if the only effort you put into it was 15 secs of googling, understandable) Anyhow, even the best stuff that makes it's way over here ends up being 300~3000% more expensive. If you have the money for it, that's great, if you overpay for it in Japan instead of importing it yourself, you're just retarded.

As to construction...I just got back from Shinjuku, T Hands had the plugs I needed for my bath towel rack. The "reform" done on my place included directly screwing the rack to a wall that isn't much more than cardboard covered with plaster. (but is has really nice lookin' wall paper on it....bet it's the best quality wallpaper in the world!) Even shitty drywall back home would have been better.....hell, maybe even a wall in one of those mud huts might be stronger. All it took was gently pulling a larger towel off it to pull one side completely out of the wall, really good stuff eh? Wasn't worth bothering the landlord over so I put some plugs in there (like there should have been in the first place) and finally I don't have to worry about it coming off again. (though the entire wall might explode if I yank on it) Anyhow, my point is this wall and the way the rack is installed are perfect examples of all kinds of stuff here. Package/wrap it up to make it look quality, charge you out the ass for it to make you "feel" it must be quality, but then when it comes down to it, turd quality with wrapping paper is still a turd. (and later you find out it's not really Kobe turd but Chinese turd)

[Coligny]

Not only coffee, which is just one example of thousands of products. But if you absolutely must see, send me a private message if you are in Tokyo and I'll tell you where to go to find all grades of Blue Mountain coffee beans.

ain't they cute both of them?

ifthey breed together the planet is truly fucked...

[Yokohammer]

... you are just a useless pauper shit. Dickhead, ...

And until you stop putting yourself on a pedestal because you believe that you are wealthier than the people you are talking to* ... not forgetting that it's money you married, not money you earned ... you are an arrogant piece of shit.

* Also note that this may very well be a mistaken assumption on your part. Besides, only people who've earned their money understand its true value. You obviously do not, which is why you talk like that. Come back when you've built a business from scratch and done well, then I'll be happy to listen to whatever you have to say.

[rooboy]

Not only coffee, which is just one example of thousands of products. But if you absolutely must see, send me a private message if you are in Tokyo and I'll tell you where to go to find all grades of Blue Mountain coffee beans.

This also true espoecially for fish, ask any fishing company in Portugal, Spain, Canada or Australia and they will tell you the best fish is flown to Tsukiji. Steel, cotton fabric, wool, lumber, paper, spices, fruits and vegetables (even the stuff from China is of greater quality than that sold domestically in China. Quality meaning uniform size and no blemishes on skin).

I'll tell you another example. Magna International, one of the largest auto parts OEM in Canada was asked by Honda, which was trying to increase its North American procurement of parts, to produce certain body components. After several months of back and forth, Magna could not manufacture to Honda's quality specs and all parts were rejected. This was told to me by an employee at Magna, which makes parts to the big three U.S. carmakers.

So you can bang your head against the wall all you want, this is just universal truth. The fact that you had dirt under your tatami proves shit. You wold have found cockroach colonies under your carpet in the Bronx.

Well, thanks for the offer re the coffee info etc. I mean it. I don't live in Tokyo anymore so I can't take advantage of it.

I'm an Aussie and never lived in the Bronx but I havta say I've never lived in shitty housing in Aus. Not once. And that goes for when I was a student. It wasn't the best compared to what's going but the construction, wiring and insulation was far better than anything I've experienced in Japan. Once again, interesting info..

[Iraira]

I'll tell you another example. Magna International, one of the largest auto parts OEM in Canada was asked by Honda, which was trying to increase its North American procurement of parts, to produce certain body components. After several months of back and forth, Magna could not manufacture to Honda's quality specs and all parts were rejected. This was told to me by an employee at Magna, which makes parts to the big three U.S. carmakers.

Magna Exteriors and Interiors, an operating unit of Magna International Inc., has received three 2009 supplier performance awards from American Honda Motor Co., Inc. The awards honor Honda's top North American OEM and service parts suppliers for high quality, on-time delivery, and performance improvements, and were given during ceremonies on April 28 and 29, 2010.

http://www.magna.com/xchg/group_sub-sites/XSL/standard.xsl/-/content/news_news.htm?year=2010&action=show&EnReleaseID=01_1134&DeReleaseID=02_1134&JaReleaseID=&rdeLocaleAttr=en

[Taka-Okami]

Well, thanks for the offer re the coffee info etc. I mean it. I don't live in Tokyo anymore so I can't take advantage of it.

I'm an Aussie and never lived in the Bronx but I havta say I've never lived in shitty housing in Aus. Not once. And that goes for when I was a student. It wasn't the best compared to what's going but the construction, wiring and insulation was far better than anything I've experienced in Japan. Once again, interesting info..

Have to disagree with Rooboy. From what I've seen of housing construction in both countries (Aus and Japan), it's a fact that Japan has substantially more bracing using thicker beams and excellence in design in standard houses than Aus. Since 1986 Japan has been building to very high structural standards by law. If we ever get more than a 5 earthquake here in Oz, we're fucked.

I can find plenty of hovels for you to have a look at Rooboy!

[Ganma]

Have to disagree with Rooboy. From what I've seen of housing construction in both countries (Aus and Japan), it's a fact that Japan has substantially more bracing using thicker beams and excellence in design in standard houses than Aus. Since 1986 Japan has been building to very high structural standards by law. If we ever get more than a 5 earthquake here in Oz, we're fucked.

I believe you are right with regards to earthquakes. Just look at the difference in damage in the Christchurch earthquake vs Tohoku. Christchurch crumbled under a 6.5.

[Coligny]

I believe you are right with regards to earthquakes. Just look at the difference in damage in the Christchurch earthquake vs Tohoku. Christchurch crumbled under a 6.5.

That's not what I would call 'quality'. It's more aboot category...

Are Notre Dame and Versailles masterpieces: yes
Would they handle a quake: fooking no
Can we then say they are crap... nope noppity no...

You can't say a regular building is crappier than a qake proof building because it can't handle quakes...

So... you can't say a buidling is better made since it's specification are diffeent... especially in Japan after the scandal of the falsified quake proofing data...

[MrUltimateGaijin]

I believe you are right with regards to earthquakes. Just look at the difference in damage in the Christchurch earthquake vs Tohoku. Christchurch crumbled under a 6.5.

Christchurch didnt crumble. One previously damaged building did and some that were very old. The same thing will happen to older japanese buildings or those which were Anahaed(sp)

[damn name]

I believe you are right with regards to earthquakes. Just look at the difference in damage in the Christchurch earthquake vs Tohoku. Christchurch crumbled under a 6.5.

Peak Ground Acceleration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_ground_acceleration) in the Christchurch quake was very high.

[Coligny]

Peak Ground Acceleration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_ground_acceleration) in the Christchurch quake was very high.

From the wiki link:

PGA:
Christchurch : 2.2
tohoku quake : 2.7 single, 2.99 combined

You just can't have any single shit straight do you ? Either you do it on purpose to fuck with us, or more probably... you are a complete mouth breathing moron who should be in the guiness book of record as the lowest IQed lifeform to be able to write coherent sentences with a keyboard...

[Iraira]

From the wiki link:

PGA:
Christchurch : 2.2
tohoku quake : 2.7 single, 2.99 combined

You just can't have any single shit straight do you ? Either you do it on purpose to fuck with us, or more probably... you are a complete mouth breathing moron who should be in the guiness book of record as the lowest IQed lifeform to be able to write coherent sentences with a keyboard...

I think someone hijacked Coligny's account. First of all the words are generally (not sure about "IQed") spelled properly (that eliminates Jack or McTojo from the list of suspects)...although Guinness when not working it's day job as a book of world records, is an alcoholic beverage, and that the real Coligny could misspell an alcohol-related word is very suspicious. Third, Coligny is usually less ornery.

[damn name]

The epicenter was 5km deep directly under the city. The city did not "crumble."

Go wash the dishes, houseboy.

[Ganma]

Christchurch didnt crumble. One previously damaged building did and some that were very old. The same thing will happen to older japanese buildings or those which were Anahaed(sp)

I don't know all the technicalities of it, but I have a friend on the force who was working down there and there was indeed a lot of crumbling.
I guess it's hard to compare the two with so many variables at work, but it just seemed to me with Japan being hit again and again with 7 plus quakes that the buildings stood up well in comparison to Christchurch. The main building to collapse in Christchurch is in fact under investigation.

Minister welcomes Christchurch buildings reportThe report released today covers the Pyne Gould Corporation, Forsyth Barr and Hotel Grand Chancellor buildings. However, the technical investigation into the fourth and final building - the Canterbury Television (CTV) building is far more complex and will be part of a second report, which will not be completed until the end of this year or early 2012.

[Jack]

http://www.magna.com/xchg/group_sub-sites/XSL/standard.xsl/-/content/news_news.htm?year=2010&action=show&EnReleaseID=01_1134&DeReleaseID=02_1134&JaReleaseID=&rdeLocaleAttr=en

Great to see that. I guess they worked out their quality issues in the end.
Honda at some point was desperate to increase the north american content in its cars assembled here.

[IparryU]

I think someone hijacked Coligny's account. First of all the words are generally (not sure about "IQed") spelled properly (that eliminates Jack or McTojo from the list of suspects)...although Guinness when not working it's day job as a book of world records, is an alcoholic beverage, and that the real Coligny could misspell an alcohol-related word is very suspicious. Third, Coligny is usually less ornery.

coligny is facking that shit... th3 franch acc3nt words ar3 just a cover for his pron label.

he is coming out th3 closet now...