Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

[Coligny]

Common sense is not egoism...

yah don't save an ebola patient by licking his blood...

[Yokohammer]

Common sense is not egoism...

yah don't save an ebola patient by licking his blood...

Sure, but I'm more taking issue with all the glorification myth that doesn't hold up when self-preservation becomes an issue. Like anywhere else.

But remember that we're not even talking about radioactive waste here: this is about the debris from the tsunami. So the ebola analogy doesn't really work.

[Iraira]

Common sense is not egoism...

yah don't save an ebola patient by licking his blood...

If your tongue was coated with interfering RNAs and morpholino oligomers it could help.

[Coligny]

But remember that we're not even talking about radioactive waste here: this is about the debris from the tsunami. So the ebola analogy doesn't really work.

Only if you can certify the origin of the debris and that no nutjob tried to squeez in some melted containment vessel between two rotten tatamis mats...

They manage to fuck up any trust real good... Can understand why their could be resentment...

[dimwit]

[Greji]

What is all means is that both pro and anti nuclear groups will be able to chime in and unbiasedly tell people exactly how many people died.

Exactly. BTW this thread has quieted down nicely since Thug got sent South for the Winter.....

[Coligny]

Exactly. BTW this thread has quieted down nicely since Thug got sent South for the Winter.....

Like a truck stuck in the mud... It's not because you don't move anymore that things improveded...

[Yokohammer]

The S/N ratio has improved markedly. Finding at least some substance on just about every page sure beats having to flip though page after page of troll swill only to discover that there's nothing of value anywhere because people have just given up.

I'll take quiet substance over frenzied idiocy any day.

[Iraira]

The S/N ratio has improved markedly. Finding at least some substance on just about every page sure beats having to flip though page after page of troll swill only to discover that there's nothing of value anywhere because people have just given up.

I'll take quiet substance over frenzied idiocy any day.

Still, now and then, in this world of sharp political polarization, it is nice to find something so annoying that it could bring all people together to give it a swift kick in the ass (note: I used the 'merican spelling of the sometimes glutenous or gluttonous maximus)

[Yokohammer]

Still, now and then, in this world of sharp political polarization, it is nice to find something so annoying that it could bring all people together to give it a swift kick in the ass (note: I used the 'merican spelling of the sometimes glutenous or gluttonous maximus)

"Ass" ... just three letters! Jeez, and I suppose you say "dog" rather than "canis lupus familiaris" too!
[SIZE="1"](BTW, although it's "gluteus maximus," I can understand why someone might be tempted to call mine "gluttonous").[/SIZE]

The trouble with uniting in solidarity agains trolls is, as I have learned the hard way, it doesn't work. They just live for that shit. I've gotten to the point where I'd rather say nothing at all than waste my time trying to interact with pond scum. Of course that doesn't mean I won't engage in time-wasting banter as long as it's fun and at least a little bit intelligent.

[Coligny]

Still, now and then, in this world of sharp political polarization, it is nice to find something so annoying that it could bring all people together to give it a swift kick in the ass (note: I used the 'merican spelling of the sometimes glutenous or gluttonous maximus)

Speaking of signal to noise ratio http://fukushima-diary.com is zu mein spiel sounding more and more like some sort of deranged scam... Not that all the data published should be considered rubbish... but feels more like exploitation than reporting...

[Jack]

Someone should start a new thread. This one is getting pretty long.

[legion]

[Coligny]

Both claims and counterclaims sounds like monologue from a padded cell at the local asylum

[dimwit]

The snake oil in question

Making money on fear, especially trendy fear makes perfect sense to a cynic like me. My problem is that I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face when rooking people for money. Guess I will never be a good grifter.

[MaxPower]

He also alleges that the Japanese government is trucking radioactive material from the Fukushima site all over Japan, in order to "increase the cancer rate in the whole of Japan so that there will be no control group" of children unaffected by the disaster, in order to help the Japanese government prevent potential lawsuits from people whose health may have been affected by the radiation.

Because it won't be weird if the cancer rates rise all around Japan when compared with other countries?

pure quack dribble.

[Coligny]

Making money on fear, especially trendy fear makes perfect sense to a cynic like me. My problem is that I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face when rooking people for money. Guess I will never be a good grifter.

I don't really see this as making money on phear, it's exploitation of a real danger, a scam is a scam... Using Fukushima is no more perfectly sensefull than your average Nigerian Prince Email...

If you really want to see the best example of money made on phear better look at the cold war and the threat posed by them babees eating commies...

[Coligny]

Because it won't be weird if the cancer rates rise all around Japan when compared with other countries?

pure quack dribble.

Don't even try to rationnalyse this kind of things... makes you lose faith in mankind...

[Mike Oxlong]

[Yokohammer]

Who is this "Shimada sensei" (or is it Shibata?) of which they speak, and what, other than apparently saying something to the effect that 100 msV (per year??) is safe, is his position on radiation that has pissed these people off so much?

[Mike Oxlong]

Who is this "Shimada sensei" (or is it Shibata?) of which they speak, and what, other than apparently saying something to the effect that 100 msV (per year??) is safe, is his position on radiation that has pissed these people off so much?

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/11/kyoto-university-students-stop-calling.html

[Yokohammer]

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/11/kyoto-university-students-stop-calling.html

Got it. Thanks for that.
(And I didn't know there was still a Zengakuren either.)

[Russell]

[Mike Oxlong]

Retailers to Japanese consumers...caveat emptor, suckers!

[GomiGirl]

Retailers to Japanese consumers...caveat emptor, suckers!

I am really really torn.

On one hand I do want to support the people of Fukushima and the wider Tohoku region and I don't want them to have to continue to suffer financial hardships long after the tsunami waters have taken their homes out to sea..

HOWEVER... is this to be trusted?

Company officials said all the produce had been tested for radiation and found to be under the levels measurable by the detection equipment used.

Regardless of origin, the policy at Aeon is not to sell any produce found to be contaminated with radiation.

While I do appreciate that this is not China, I do think that there should be some more hard facts, watchdogs and questioning by independent sources. Just cos the govt or supermarket says it is safe, I would like some sort of proof. I am not feeling a huge amount of trust toward the regulatory bodies at the moment.

Are people just swallowing [color="Silver"][SIZE="1"](see what I did there?)[/SIZE][/color] the PR spin and crossing their fingers in hope that they don't develop leukemia later on?

I have a small child to consider.

I hate the idea of a knee jerk reaction and a total ban on all produce from the region for the next 150 years, but at the same time, I don't think we should all just naively put our trust in the govt as they have a different agenda.

If there was one lesson I took away from watching The Cove, it was that the local governments had no problem allowing mercury tainted meat into the food supply and even worse, into school lunches. This dolphin meat was willfully and criminally relabeled as whale meat to mislead the public as to the source and content of the packages. All of this done in order to protect a local industry.

[Coligny]

Top value have quite some vegetables from the wasteland. Mushrooms from Iwate, soja...

It's easy to find them... they are the cheapest on the shelves... then in the unsold/discounted baskets and in the trash the next day...

/sort of proud of me town people...

[Mike Oxlong]

Personally, no trust whatsoever...YMMV.

[color="Blue"]Asahi Shinbun's "Trap of Prometheus" series is still on-going, and right now it's Part 3 about suppressing the scientific data. It continues to be an excellent article, and it continues to be printed on the "third page" (see my post on the Part 1 of the series).

I just finished reading the Part 2 "Resignation of a Researcher", which has 21 installments. Even though Asahi Shinbun is busy taking down the blog sites that compile all the series articles for convenient reading, they cannot suppress them all, and I read it on this blog.

In it, there is a very curious piece of information about SPEEDI simulation, the NISA and the PM's Office's decision to set the evacuation zone in concentric circles. In short,

[INDENT]•The Ministry of Education had ordered the SPEEDI simulations from the beginning and knew exactly where to send the official to do the actual measurements in Namie-machi, Fukushima;

•Not only the Ministry of Education ordered SPEEDI simulation calculations but also the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency ordered its own SPEEDI simulation calculations with much more accuracy;

•NISA was setting the evacuation zone on March 11 evening based on the simulation;

•NISA stopped their work as soon as the PM's Office, based on no credible information or agreed-on procedure, announced the concentric circle evacuation zones.[/INDENT]

Reading the Part 2 of the series, it sure looks as if almost everything bad that happened afterwards could have been prevented if the politicians and bureaucrats on the initial (and crucial) 1st and 2nd days of the nuclear accident had acted to protect the public, which I think is their constitutional duty. Instead, they played games, a turf war as if this was just another ordinary day in Kasumigaseki.[/color]

The rest at EX-SKF

[sirwanksalot]

/sort of proud of me town people...

One thing I've always liked about Toyohashi is the fact that everything is produced locally and is fresher.

[Coligny]

Represent !

[Coligny]

Delusionnal bullshit:

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Earthquake_not_a_factor_in_Fukushima_accident_0212111.html

Goes against all testimonies from the tepco workers who were there when the shit hit the fan...

But hey... not easy to try to sell a technology when one of your showrooms model is still in an unknown state of uncontrolled misery...