Frozen harbles... Italian edishiun...

[Coligny]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20120131zg.html

Rant from someone wondering why he have to put up with kerozene heating in a so called first world country...

Bonus points for the use of the term "tactical heating"...

also:

The kotatsu is still going strong among the Japanese (and those weird foreigners who either can't afford something better or have a mistaken idea of what "embracing Japan" actually means)

[Samurai_Jerk]

Why the fuck do I live in this piece of shit country?

[cstaylor]

That's the big problem:

in our barely insulated homes

A home with insulation and underfloor heating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underfloor_heating#Hydronic_systems), both of which are available in Japan, solves her problem.

I'm assuming she rents? Apartment building construction in Japan brings new meaning to the term "shoddy".

[Coligny]

That's the big problem:

A home with insulation and underfloor heating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underfloor_heating#Hydronic_systems), (1)both of which are available in Japan, solves her problem.

Dude... The Bugatti Veyron is also availabul in Japan...

I think I would have less trouble to get me one for my next christmass than isolation and floor heating...

I'm assuming she rents? Apartment building construction in Japan brings new meaning to the term "shoddy".

Japanese builder know only how to emphasize quake resistance, like if it was a major technical achievement for small house... and even then... it's just to have building company cheapening up and fucking the spec to the point were things have to be torn appart after the first inspection... (funny how fast this scandal disappeared though...)

[Greji]

Why the fuck do I live in this piece of shit country?

I gather from today's analysis by SJ that it must be Tuesday.....

[Samurai_Jerk]

I gather from today's analysis by SJ that it must be Tuesday.....

Every time I go home or visit my friends in Seoul it reminds me just how shitty the housing in Japan is. Even the high-end "mansions" in Tokyo are just polished turds. They look nice at first glance but the materials used to slap them together are so fucking shitty it ought to be embarrassing to the locals but they just don't know any better.

[Coligny]

I gather from today's analysis by SJ that it must be Tuesday.....

I read that as "everyday is monday anyway..."

[Coligny]

Every time I go home or visit my friends in Seoul it reminds me just how shitty the housing in Japan is. Even the high-end "mansions" in Tokyo are just polished turds. They look nice at first glance but the materials used to slap them together are so fucking shitty it ought to be embarrassing to the locals but they just don't know any better.

DOOD, seoul in winter is DEADLY COLD...

I'd check the meteo in Saigon... But I know that it's between 30 and 34... all year long... so I think I will just prepare some luggages and check the cats vaccinations...

[wuchan]

I had the option of radiant floor heating when I had the house built but they would only install it under shitty flooring like laminate or that rubber crap that companies here love to use. The problem is the entire house has solid oak floors. Due to the fact that Japanese people don't have the slightest clue how to care for a house that is not made of cardboard the company believes that they can't install the heater under wood floors. The inspectors that come by every year are always surprised that the house is in perfect order and even more surprised that there is zero moisture damage. They tell me that "damp house" is a common problem in modern japanese homes due to poor air exchange. Bottom line is japanese people almost never open windows.

I heat my entire three bed house with one small (4 tsubo) kerosene heater. I probably could use a slightly bigger one but I have just been too lazy to replace the one I have. One thing I always wondered tho, where do people that live in apartments/condos keep their kerosene? I have a 55gal drum that gets refilled by the local supplier for the farm. If I didn't have it ready and only a few meters out the front door I would really be looking into other ways to heat the house. In the future I plan to add a small edition off my kitchen for a wood stove but that is years down the road.

[Yokohammer]

One thing I always wondered tho, where do people that live in apartments/condos keep their kerosene?

I think most people who live in apartments in the city simply don't use kerosene. But those who do usually keep it on the veranda or in the genkan. Genkan isn't particularly smart or safe, but a lot of people up in Sendai seem to do that too.

We keep ours in a separate building (my "workshop") that's separated from the house by our driveway. Not far enough away to be a serious pain when refilling the heater cartridges, but a chilly diversion nonetheless.

However ... one of my "big" plans for the future is to install built-in kerosene heating supplied from an outdoor tank. Anything but fucking electricity, which is already way too expensive and will probably get even more expensive if the criminals at Tepco and associates get their way.

[Samurai_Jerk]

DOOD, seoul in winter is DEADLY COLD.

What the fuck does that have to do with the housing?

[Coligny]

Originally Posted by Coligny
DOOD, seoul in winter is DEADLY COLD.

What the fuck does that have to do with the housing?

spoken like a true japanese architect...

[wuchan]

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spoken like a true japanese architect...

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Coligny again.

[Samurai_Jerk]

spoken like a true japanese architect...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[matsuki]

[Yokohammer]

Just to reiterate what has been mentioned before (I think), you city slickers really ought to invest in one non-electric kerosene heater -- the wick type, not a "fan heater" -- because if the big one hits in the dead of winter you're not going to have electricity or gas to stay warm with.

You can boil water and cook on the things in a pinch, too.

I had bought one just a few months before 3.11, thinking it might come in handy in case of emergency. It did.

[Coligny]

am seriously thinking aboot putting gaz plugs in every room of the 2nd floor... actually, just kitchen and workshop have one...

Somebody know a good place for cheep second hand tunnel boring masheens ? need that to drill them walls...

[matsuki]

Just to reiterate what has been mentioned before (I think), you city slickers really ought to invest in one non-electric kerosene heater -- the wick type, not a "fan heater" -- because if the big one hits in the dead of winter you're not going to have electricity or gas to stay warm with.

I had bought one just a few months before 3.11, thinking it might come in handy in case of emergency. It did. You can boil water and cook on the things in a pinch, too.

Very good advice coming from sunny California, it's one of those things you just don't think about. If one hit today, I'd probably be on the roof burning everything I could for warmth.

[Coligny]

Just to reiterate what has been mentioned before (I think), you city slickers really ought to invest in one non-electric kerosene heater -- the wick type, not a "fan heater" -- because if the big one hits in the dead of winter you're not going to have electricity or gas to stay warm with.

You can boil water and cook on the things in a pinch, too.

I had bought one just a few months before 3.11, thinking it might come in handy in case of emergency. It did.

I think it would be more convenient to invest in the small cooking gaz canister heater (fishing accessorie or even eiden here) kerozene have a short shelf life. Cookig gaz can also be used for bbq... so more convenient to become part of the lifestyle.

Now for people already using kerozene, investing in a non-fan wig type heater is a no brainer...

nota, they also have honda i think, gaz canoster power generator, 2 bottle for 2 hour of 900 w... 100000 yens so hyper expensive compared to the gasoline one. But the day [s]I buy[/s] - me bitch buy me (fixed that for me) an SUV or minivan it will be a de facto option...

[Yokohammer]

I think it would be more convenient to invest in the small cooking gaz canister heater (fishing accessorie or even eiden here) kerozene have a short shelf life. Cookig gaz can also be used for bbq... so more convenient to become part of the lifestyle.

The difference is:

Gas canister heater: fresh canister and you're warm for a few hours, as long as you huddle close around the tiny little heater.

Kerosene heater: full cartridge and you can keep a moderately sized room warm for a couple of days.*

* Kerosene heater cartridges usually hold 5 ~ 7.5 liters, so just one 18 liter container of kerosene will keep you going for almost a week. More if you're frugal. How many little butane canisters will that require?

[matsuki]

The difference is:

Gas canister heater: fresh canister and you're warm for a few hours.

Kerosene heater: full cartridge and you're warm for a couple of days.*

* Kerosene heater cartridges usually hold 5 ~ 7.5 liters, so just one 18 liter container of kerosene will keep you going for about a week. How many little butane canisters will that require?

Coligny's right about usability and convenience in apartments. I'd rather store a ton of those lil canisters in my place (actually already have quite as stash) than buy/make room for/maintain a tank of kerosene. (not to mention carrying the tank up 3 stairs) For those in homes, the Kerosene heater may be more economical and ideal.

[Yokohammer]

Coligny's right about usability and convenience in apartments. I'd rather store a ton of those lil canisters in my place (actually already have quite as stash) than buy/make room for/maintain a tank of kerosene. (not to mention carrying the tank up 3 stairs) For those in homes, the Kerosene heater may be more economical and ideal.

It does depend on how you live, I guess. Also on how long the power and gas supplies are disrupted.

Just for reference, we had no electricity for a full 5 days, and no water for 11 days. It was longer in some places. Our gas supply is propane, and that was ready to rock as soon as the earth stopped rolling. One of the advantages of propane that people don't often think about. Sendai, on the other hand, uses city gas, and that was out for about a month.

[Coligny]

Dood... you are on the countryside. No power or water in a city like Tokyo... your best chance of survival is to get the fuck out... there is no well to draw the water no field to pick some vegetables... and the sheer amount of supply needed to sustain the population / and total incompetence of the authorities makes staying in Tokyo one REALLY bad idea...

[matsuki]

It does depend on how you live, I guess. Also on how long the power and gas supplies are disrupted.

Just for reference, we had no electricity for a full 5 days, and no water for 11 days. It was longer in some places. Our gas supply is propane, and that was ready to rock as soon as the earth stopped rolling. One of the advantages of propane that people don't often think about. Sendai, on the other hand, uses city gas, and that was out for about a month.

Yep...in my case, I also don't have a family to worry about. The heating would be temporary at best. If the damage is that bad, I'd probably of the GTFO of the disaster area mentality and heading to the nearby military bases.

[Yokohammer]

Dood... you are on the countryside. No power or water in a city like Tokyo... your best chance of survival is to get the fuck out... there is no well to draw the water no field to pick some vegetables... and the sheer amount of supply needed to sustain the population / and total incompetence of the authorities makes staying in Tokyo one REALLY bad idea...

Oh yeah, one more thing ...

There's no transportation either.

A nice bicycle might be a good idea.

[matsuki]

Oh yeah, one more thing ...

There's no transportation either.

A nice bicycle might be a good idea.

Mamachari theft gonna be rampant! Good thing there is a well stocked bicycle shop right by my place, pretty hidden from the main road.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Yep...in my case, I also don't have a family to worry about. The heating would be temporary at best. If the damage is that bad, I'd probably of the GTFO of the disaster area mentality and heading to the nearby military bases.

Word. I have enough warm clothes I could bundle up, jump on my bicycle and head for Haneda.

[Yokohammer]

Word. I have enough warm clothes I could bundle up, jump on my bicycle and head for Haneda.

... in order to hang out in the terminal until power is restored and flights resume?

[Coligny]

Oh yeah, one more thing ...

There's no transportation either.

A nice bicycle might be a good idea.

And certainly no communications either...

This is sooo going to be bad...

[Coligny]

... in order to hang out in the terminal until power is restored and flights resume?

Because you think Haneda would still be there... ? If it's not washed away it will sink right back into the sea...