Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Nuclear Disaster!!!

[Mike Oxlong]

People seem to be forgetting that the Fukushima nuke plant was supplying power to Tokyo, which I guess was fine at the time. But now that it's a complete mess it's the fault of the people of Tohoku? Now somehow the people of Tohoku are responsible for TEPCO?

IIRC, one of the favorite sons of Fukushima rose to become the president of TEPCO, and made sure his former home got a sweet, sweet taste of nuclear power money...

[Catoneinutica]

You live in Tokyo and you have the gazongas to say that?

You gotta be kidding.

And sorry, the cute little "do I get a hug" analogy simply doesn't analogize.

People seem to be forgetting that the Fukushima nuke plant was supplying power to Tokyo, which I guess was fine at the time. But now that it's a complete mess it's the fault of the people of Tohoku? Now somehow the people of Tohoku are responsible for TEPCO?

That's "TEPCO," which stands for Tokyo Electric Power Company.

Complete, utter, unadulterated bullshit.

Was Fukushima obliged to take TEPCO's reactors under pain of death? Was there a metaphorical muhfuckin' gun placed to their collective head? No: apparently, more people wanted them than didn't - people up there can vote, can't they?

Bad choice. Faustian bargain. Back in the early nineties, local representatives in Southern Utah wanted to invite in an evil Dutch (aren't they all?) multinational to do some serious coal minin'. Sure, there were pretty red rocks and desert skies, but you can't eat scenery, can you. Now, imagine if then-President Clinton had been supporting the Dutch company rather than declaring a large National Park (Grand Staircase) as he did (boy did the locals squawk!). One can understand the choice Fukushima made, but it was still a bad one.

[Yokohammer]

Was Fukushima obliged to take TEPCO's reactors under pain of death? Was there a metaphorical muhfuckin' gun placed to their collective head? No: apparently, more people wanted them than didn't - people up there can vote, can't they?

Yes, there was a "metaphorical muhfuckin' gun" placed to their collective head.
The local town where the plant went was dying, and the plant was their lifeline, presented to them in glowing terms with guarantees of total safety (i.e. lies) by TEPCO and the central government. It was, in mafioso terms, an offer they couldn't refuse.

Of course people can vote, but they can't vote properly if they're given misleading information backed up by political skulduggery, now can they?

I thought all of this was on the record and well understood. Apparently not. People have very short memories when it suits them.

Also, there are SIX FUCKING PREFECTURES in Tohoku. Fukushima is just one of them, and in fact the one closest to Tokyo (geddit? cheaper transmission costs?).

Holding the people of Tohoku responsible for the Fukushima nuke plant problem after the fact is not even close to reasonable. In fact it's downright perverted.

By the way, we have our own local power company, ya know. Tohoku Denryoku has a nuke plant that is right on the Pacific coast that was bang smack in the path of the tsunami too. Oddly enough that one was built a bit better and on higher ground, so although it had to be shut down, and was shut down without a hitch, there was no damage. Funny 'bout that. Apparently the people of Tohoku got that one right.

[Yokohammer]

IIRC, one of the favorite sons of Fukushima rose to become the president of TEPCO, and made sure his former home got a sweet, sweet taste of nuclear power money...

And this reflects on the people of Fukushima in general ... how?

The people who coddled and cajoled this person with power and money are blameless?

OK, slight variation on the theme: so if I hire a hit man to take out someone who's thwarting my progress in some type of business, the hit man takes all the blame?

Another variation: bribery is no longer a crime?

That would make life so easy for so many people.

[Mike Oxlong]

Of course people can vote, but they can't vote properly if they're given misleading information backed up by political skulduggery, now can they?

I can sympathize with this, but the same applies to the people down here. They elected not to use the snow for kids entertainment, using it for other purposes instead. Kinda hard to make what you feel is the right choice when they're given misleading/conflicting information backed up by political skulduggery and a spineless media.

[Mike Oxlong]

And this reflects on the people of Fukushima in general ... how?

The people who coddled and cajoled this person with power and money are blameless?

Not sure if the feller in question was not seeking power and money...but that's splitting hairs.

Um, in my own view it demonstrates their victim mentality up Fukushima way. Which I see a lot of down here. Everything has been forced on them against their will, and they are powerless to effect any change.

Kinda surprised to see them take any sort of stand at all, and it seems to be going around these local parts lately...

[Catoneinutica]

I can sympathize with this, but the same applies to the people down here. They elected not to use the snow for kids entertainment, using it for other purposes instead. Kinda hard to make what you feel is the right choice when they're given misleading/conflicting information backed up by political skulduggery and a spineless media.

The rubber will really hit the road in the coming years when local governments will have to decide whether to allow TEPCO, KEPCO, and other entities of the J-national gov't to restart their nuke plants. The soteigai card has been played. If you don't want to end up like Belarus, don't allow a restart. Elect only those politicians who swear to oppose restart. If they go back on their word and start whining about "reasonableness" and jobs and energy, recall them. Rinse and repeat until you get a government that actually represents your interests.

[Yokohammer]

Not sure if the feller in question was not seeking power and money...but that's splitting hairs.

Of course he was. I don't think there's any question about that. Money and power are the most powerful and addictive drugs out there. That's why they're brought into play when the big guns want to exert influence. They work almost unfailingly. If they don't work on one guy, they'll almost certainly work on the next ... you know, someone who's seeking power and money.

What has been irking me all along in this conversation, and is now starting to piss me off for real, is the attitude that the people of Tohoku are now somehow entirely responsible for the problem. No one else is to blame. It's all Fukushima's fault, and only Fukushima and somehow, bizarrely, all the people of Tohoku have benefited from the existence of the Fukushima nuke plant. Everyone else is a bunch of unimpeachable little angels with impeccably clean hands.

What a fucking crock.

TEPCO and the government are going to love that line.

Sorry, this is just too wrong. I'm outa here.

[Mike Oxlong]

What has been irking me all along in this conversation, and is now starting to piss me off for real, is the attitude that the people of Tohoku are now somehow entirely responsible for the problem. No one else is to blame. It's all Fukushima's fault, and only Fukushima and somehow, bizarrely, all the people of Tohoku have benefited from the existence of the Fukushima nuke plant. Everyone else is a bunch of unimpeachable little angels with impeccably clean hands.

Well, that's not the way I see it, nor do I feel that way about things in Okinawa. What I do think, however, is that since the locals here and there respectively have the most to lose, they are the ones that will have to fight to their last breaths to make things better...no-one else will do that for them.

[Coligny]

What has been irking me all along in this conversation, and is now starting to piss me off for real, is the attitude that the people of Tohoku are now somehow entirely responsible for the problem. No one else is to blame. It's all Fukushima's fault, and only Fukushima and somehow, bizarrely, all the people of Tohoku have benefited from the existence of the Fukushima nuke plant. Everyone else is a bunch of unimpeachable little angels with impeccably clean hands.

That's totally irrelevant.

There have been a pact with the devil. The pact went sour tainting all the region. And instead of fighting against the Devil (Tepco) until it put things in order for the whole region instead of only halfhearteadly trying to plug daichi because some camera are still turned on there, they just complain against other region because they don't want to share the pain. The accident have tainted the reputation of the whole prefecture. They now have to put their house in order before complaining. Instead they did just the opposite most of the time, with cover ups, lies, and misplaced outrage.

[damn name]

More idiocy above ^^

The smart people won. They decided to go ahead with the event using the snow.

Is it true that the Christopher Johnson character is bikkle and that's why the threads have been deleted? Is that why this post will be deleted, too?
Hasn't it been learned that Johnson has never possessed a Japanese visa allowing him to work as a "journalist?" And he was repeatedly traveling back and forth to Korea on 90 day tourist visas? Why is this being censored here?

This place has become fouled.

[Russell]

More idiocy above ^^

The smart people won. They decided to go ahead with the event using the snow.

Is it true that the Christopher Johnson character is bikkle and that's why the threads have been deleted?

Wasn't bikkle American?

This all looks like rewriting of history, like in Communist dictatorships. Even Kim Jong Il did not have the power to delete threads from FG.

[Catoneinutica]

Wasn't bikkle American?

This all looks like rewriting of history, like in Communist dictatorships. Even Kim Jong Il did not have the power to delete threads from FG.

UG, Debito, and Jake Adelstein are all Dutch. Coincidentally, they all went to the same high school: the International School of Breda.

[Russell]

UG, Debito, and Jake Adelstein are all Dutch. Coincidentally, they all went to the same high school: the International School of Breda.

[SIZE="7"]Aaaaahrggggg.....[/SIZE]

Get me outta here!!!

[Russell]

WTFornicate. I could save virtually the whole CJ thread out of the dungeon hole. May be helpful for future use if this guy becomes too shitsukoi. Some useful information in there. Last post from the thread I could recover is from Feb 21, a couple of days ago. Now hope that the Stazis don't show up at my door step.

And this all reminds me of Mike's post:

[2triky]

[Catoneinutica]

WTFornicate.

Says the boy who speculates about bikkle's nationality in the tsunami/meltdown thread...

[Coligny]

Areas near nuclear plant may be unlivable forever, gov't says

Source

So they finally got Captain Obvious on the payroll...

Good...

Showing some progress...

[Russell]

So they finally got Captain Obvious on the payroll...

Good...

Showing some progress...

I think the areas near any nuclear plant are unlivable because of the potential risks involved.

[IparryU]

[Catoneinutica]

Areas near nuclear plant may be unlivable forever, gov't says

Does that mean the J-gov't has shifted from its stance that Japan, unlike Ukraine or Belarus, won't have to give up on huge swathes of territory because it has high-tech "decontamination" equipment like pressure washers (the kind Sarkozy wanted to use on Coligny's friends in the banlieues) and scrub brushes?

[Coligny]

Speaking of Ukraine, a buddy of mine went's'a Fukushima in January. He's into nukular things, so after documenting Life of sailors in a French Boomer, the remains of Prypiat he came here. Not much available from magnum yet:

http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=ViewBox&ALID=2K1HRGQ2ZVI&IT=ThumbImage01_VForm&CT=Album

[matsuki]

So they finally got Captain Obvious on the payroll...

Good...

Showing some progress...

yeah...only about a year later

[Mike Oxlong]

And here we go again. Stupid people in a panic over nothing.

Fearing radiation, Naha cuts Aomori snow fete

And before anyone cuts in with a "well, it's better to be safe than sorry" type comment, it should probably be noted that Towada is further from Fukushima Daiichi than Tokyo is.

Shades of the panic over using wood from Iwate in the Kyoto daimonji-yaki festival last year. Apparently nothing has changed.

It has become clearer why the local government was so accommodating...in preparation for the (nuclear) bombshell.

Okinawa will accept radioactive debris

[Coligny]

It has become clearer why the local government was so accommodating...in preparation for the (nuclear) bombshell.

Okinawa will accept radioactive debris

Fucking morons... When will they start acceptin' disaster victims instead of disaster debris... seal the place and use it as the biggest nukular dumpster in the unsafest pace ever... Maybe if somebody was telling them that new taxpayer bring money for long time while the debris are just a quick one time payout...

Another new Beeb documentary on you tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IwBELPtVUCA

or

[Yokohammer]

[Mike Oxlong]

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the media only reports what they are told. That's always the best-case scenario when it's bad news, when things haven't just been swept under the carpet. You may choose to stay and support your community in times of trouble, but please don't support the government in just exporting the trouble everywhere.

[Yokohammer]

[canman]

If it's worth anything Hammer, I'm with you 100% on this. I am really worried that even though we were badly affected by the earthquake and tsunami, and things still haven't been repaired or even a concrete plan presented, we are going to become pariahs within Japan. Even though we are much further away from Fukushima than most of those living in Tokyo, as soon as you mention Tohoku, red flags go up.
A friend of mine is in the apple business and they have already had cancellations for this coming year from different parts of Japan. Even though they have independent testing done, people don't trust them, which is a real shame. This seems to be the fourth disaster to hit the Tohoku region!

[Mike Oxlong]

Hammer, I do need to look into the local situation further. As you say, the news article was sparse. Certainly the issue enflames passions when it hits close to home. Some caution and clarity would do me good. I'll try and refrain from any more commentary on this particular local story until I know more. I do appreciate your manner and form in debate.