Meet the Toyota "Hachiroku"

[TennoChinko]

Very important! Because we all know what bonnets are used for...

Err... for being stomped on by naked irate 250 lb women?



http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/02/23/heavy-crime-in-the-naked-city/

[Russell]

Err... for being stomped on by naked irate 250 lb women?



http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/02/23/heavy-crime-in-the-naked-city/

Holy Fornicate! I lived there. How did you know?!?

[Coligny]

And just to prove me wrong again:

Lexus ISF V8 putted into a Toyota FT86:

http://jalopnik.com/5897997/v8-powered-toyota-gt+86-goes-drifting

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[Kanchou]

DO WANT

[Kanchou]

I test drove one today.

It was...uneventful. Too much traffic to wind it out.

The steering is very very light and the shifter is very, very...sporty.

[Coligny]

I test drove one today.

It was...uneventful. Too much traffic to wind it out.

The steering is very very light and the shifter is very, very...sporty.

Well if you wan something heavy to steer, there's still this:


Moar seriously,
how was the perception of the road throught the suspension ? (could you feel the gravel) Throttle response ? (electronic throttle pedal ?) Steering feedback ? Visibility ? driving position ? By sporty shifter you mean ultra short ? At first I hated the uberlight electric steering but for daily city driving... it's a godsend... (might have to do with the fact that I use a brody knob)

[Kanchou]

The ride comfort felt like my stock MR-2. You could feel the bumps like any sports car.

The throttle response was good. Good torque for city driving, especially considering it gets 30 MPG on the highway.

I couldn't take any real corners at speed or really go full throttle.

It was easy to drive. The clutch is very, very light.

The seat would have to go for circuit driving... it's too high and and doesn't have enough shoulder support.

The steering wheel feels great, but is too far away for me.

The shifter is very short and very snappy. It felt more like a switch.

They had a pristine AE86 in the showroom, and I wanted it soooo bad.

[Coligny]

The steering wheel feels great, but is too far away for me.

That one is easy to fix... easier than the opposite...

What aboot legroom...

I nearly testdrived a Totoya Aqua the other day Dirt cheap for a prius wanabe without the interior feeling like a 1980 Russian Jeep (looking at youze Nissan)... But... bumped my head twice while trying to go inside... then... it was the place for the steering wheel (with two positions: low or really fucking too low) and the proximity of the pedals setup for midgets... After some fiddling I tried to push the pedals... and realised with horror that not only the throttle is basically an electronic sensor, but on this one it seems the brakes are also just some potentiometer hidden behind a plastic footrest. I don't know how it behave when the car is powered... but when it's off there is just no resistance of any kind... Maybe I'm wrong and in fact just used some leftover assisting pressure from the previous start... But it was really weird... Especially when you know that for most desktop racers the first mod to the logitech pedals is to install strong springs and a loadcell to give more precision...

[Kanchou]

I didn't notice any problems with legroom. At least not compared to say, an FD RX-7, which has none with the stock seat and steering wheel.

Changing out a steering wheel isn't hard, but it seems like a waste of such a nice one... plus taking off an airbag...

[Coligny]

I didn't notice any problems with legroom. At least not compared to say, an FD RX-7, which has none with the stock seat and steering wheel.

Changing out a steering wheel isn't hard, but it seems like a waste of such a nice one... plus taking off an airbag...

I'm really not a fan of steering wheel airbags... mostly due to the fact that I quite often have my arms between the steering and my face, with a bit heavy watch... and glasses...

[Coligny]

One thing... they if the 86 have electric steering didn't they put a variable weight setup knob somewhere ? It's a basic hack that can be done with few resistor on most cars...

Not the best explanation but a quickstarter here:

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_111532/article.html

[matsuki]

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not a good start Hibino...

[Kanchou]

Damn, didn't even look like it hit that hard but it totally ruined the left rear suspension...

[Coligny]

Damn, didn't even look like it hit that hard but it totally ruined the left rear suspension...

Might be a case were the rear arms shat themselves before the car hit the wall...

[Yokohammer]

Dayum ... trouble in Toyotaville ...

I really had my hopes up for this car. The concept is right. The specs look good. The price is definitely right. It would be a real shame If Toyota have turned out a "lightweight". All talk and no walk.

I've seen a couple around lately, and they look great. But if the looks aren't coupled with appropriate handling and performance you might as well go out and get one of those plastic stick-on supercharger intakes for your hood. What's the point?

Probably too early to know for sure yet though ... give it a bit more time.

[Coligny]

Dayum ... trouble in Toyotaville ...

I really had my hopes up for this car. The concept is right. The specs look good. The price is definitely right. It would be a real shame If Toyota have turned out a "lightweight". All talk and no walk.

Don't think we can judge just from one maybe badly tuned car... But for the price... right might not be the word I'd chose... cheap for sure... maybe too cheap...

I've seen a couple around lately, and they look great. But if the looks aren't coupled with appropriate handling and performance you might as well go out and get one of those plastic stick-on supercharger intakes for your hood. What's the point?

Hey... I got one of those on the roof as a fake Rally car vent intake... they look uber cool... best 5USD upgrade spent on this car...

[Kanchou]

The fact that it's a Scion in the US instead of being advertised as a proper sports car with pedigree to me makes it sound like it will sell poorly, or only to ricers...

In Japan it will of course be a mega-hit. People are already pre-ordering them in droves apparently.

[matsuki]

Dayum ... trouble in Toyotaville ...

I really had my hopes up for this car. The concept is right. The specs look good. The price is definitely right. It would be a real shame If Toyota have turned out a "lightweight". All talk and no walk.

I've seen a couple around lately, and they look great. But if the looks aren't coupled with appropriate handling and performance you might as well go out and get one of those plastic stick-on supercharger intakes for your hood. What's the point?

Probably too early to know for sure yet though ... give it a bit more time.

Reviews on it are pretty solid, saying it's a great car. The crash was either driver error or tuning with a few extra bolts left over

Orido stuffed a V8 into his:

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Lookin' forward to this:

[Yokohammer]

In Japan it will of course be a mega-hit. People are already pre-ordering them in droves apparently.

An acquaintance in Hamamatsu mentioned that she had to wait a week and half just for a test drive!

I'm wondering if we'll be seeing as many of these things around as we see Priuses* today. That in itself would sort of detract from the value of owning one.

[SIZE="1"]* Seriously, if you're going to come up with a car name, it should at least sound/look OK pluralized.[/SIZE]

[Yokohammer]

Reviews on it are pretty solid, saying it's a great car. The crash was either driver error or tuning with a few extra bolts left over

Yeah, I'm still hopeful.
The jury is still out, but V8 rebuilds don't count.

[Coligny]

That in itself would sort of detract from the value of owning one.

Yeah... sure as hell that's high level pimping to drive a dirt cheap Totoya in Japan...

[Kanchou]

Dayum ... trouble in Toyotaville ...

I really had my hopes up for this car. The concept is right. The specs look good. The price is definitely right. It would be a real shame If Toyota have turned out a "lightweight". All talk and no walk.

I've seen a couple around lately, and they look great. But if the looks aren't coupled with appropriate handling and performance you might as well go out and get one of those plastic stick-on supercharger intakes for your hood. What's the point?

Probably too early to know for sure yet though ... give it a bit more time.

200 HP is nothing to sneeze at in a car that only weighs 2700 pounds. That's 100 pounds less than an RX-7.

Funny thing is that an 86 with full options can be as high as 4,000,000 yen...

I personally would get the TRD front bumper and big brakes, and get my own set of 18" wheels with wider tread...

But it definitely needs a full bucket seat. I don't think anyone makes rails yet though...

Cusco already has clutch-type LSDs ready for the cars... definitely worth it.

[matsuki]

Yeah... sure as hell that's high level pimping to drive a dirt cheap Totoya in Japan...

LOL, he's right about the Scion branding though...not many like that badging but then again, the whole Scion brand was a bad idea to begin with. They could have done the same thing without changing the branding from Toyota.

[Yokohammer]

200 HP is nothing to sneeze at in a car that only weighs 2700 pounds.

Yeah I know ... my 2.5 liter Z4 puts out around 218 bhp with a curb weight of around 1,360 kg, and it's got way more pull than I need for how I normally drive. [SIZE="1"](It's only when I drive "abnormally" that I need it ).[/SIZE]

The power to weight ratio was one of the things that impressed be about the 86. I'm just hoping that the whole car is balanced to let you take advantage of that power.

So Kanchou ... hurry up and buy one and give us a full review!

EDIT: which brings me to another question: if you order now, how long do you have to wait for delivery?

[matsuki]

The power to weight ratio was one of the things that impressed be about the 86. I'm just hoping that the whole car is balanced to let you take advantage of that power.

Another area it's supposed to be great in. The flat four is also mounted crazy low and as far back as was possible. I really want one but they pretty much have admitted a turbo version is in the pipeline and that's what I'd wait for. One of the brands I represent got a longblock from Toyota to develop parts with so I'll lie vicariously through my customers til then

[Kanchou]

LOL, he's right about the Scion branding though...not many like that badging but then again, the whole Scion brand was a bad idea to begin with. They could have done the same thing without changing the branding from Toyota.

It was a terrible idea to begin with, but putting the 86 in with those cars is a TRAVESTY.

Toyota only started Scion because the brand needed an injection of cool, so they decided to do it with a name instead of cars, yet now they finally have a cool car but they've giving it a stupid name.

I wonder if the FR-S will be available with Toyota badges... lol

[matsuki]

It was a terrible idea to begin with, but putting the 86 in with those cars is a TRAVESTY.

Toyota only started Scion because the brand needed an injection of cool, so they decided to do it with a name instead of cars, yet now they finally have a cool car but they've giving it a stupid name.

I wonder if the FR-S will be available with Toyota badges... lol

Exactly...

Though I don't think the Scion brand will stop people from buying the cars and rebadging them with JDM Toyota/FT 86 emblems. I still wish they had resurrected the Celica name. I'm pretty sure the Supra is in the works and with the price tag it will have, there is no way it'll end up as a Scion though it may very well end up a Lexus

[Sa_Race]

I know new toys are cool, but if I had tracks in mind, for 4 000 000 yens I would rather buy a 2nd gen miata, a few engines, and a gazillion performance parts. And I would probably still have cash for the obligatory underage low-mileage used J-babe (and her spare in the trunk).

[Coligny]

Funny thing is that an 86 with full options can be as high as 4,000,000 yen...

Nearly any car... Take a base Juke Turbo AWD, start adding few literally meaningless things, fake chrome, back up camera, IPod plug... and it reach a price where it make no sense anymore to spend that much money on a glorified Tiida... That's what killed the process of buying a new car last autumn before the shiaken. Looked at Juke... put option... price reach level of a XTrail diesel, instead of the Turbo Juke who need premium... old car still a perfectly good shopping trolley (despite being at his 3rd battery replacement) so kept it... but put more stickers...

BTW Yokohammer, the Z4 have (a) Turbo(s) ? because on the previous kraut, 2.4l V6 n/a reached barely 160 bhp way too heavy, wayyyy too forward... queen of the understeer and scrapping the front bumper on every down ramp. (managed to unclip it from both side once on a speed bump... while doing a glorious 30kph... but wanted to go slower and braked at the precise wrong moment)

[Coligny]

I know new toys are cool, but if I had tracks in mind, for 4 000 000 yens I would rather buy a 2nd gen miata, a few engines, and a gazillion performance parts.

Dood... track only... might as well go with a kitcar of these:



(and I'm soooo telling your Djulie that you caught yellow fever...)