Hashimoto: no sex slaves please, we're Japanese

[Mike Oxlong]

Ah, FG...still good fun!



The truth hurts, apparently...

You sure that's a response to this?

Yeah, that, or he likes playing BJJ with other men...like you!

[Coligny]

In defense of SJ, he's the first (presumed) male case of viral PMS lasting a full month per period cycle. usually 'patient 0 ' can become famous when their identity are known, like typhoid Mary or Butthurt O'Reilly...

Now we also have PMSSJ

[Russell]

LOL, I got one too...

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Mine is a bit more cryptic, though.

Can anybody explain what it means? Is it native English?

[Yokohammer]

These are very similar to messages sent to members over at Expat Café by someone who repeatedly registered using different names. Some recipients took them seriously and got all freaked out, so I eventually had to make it impossible for new users who hadn't passed the initial probation to send private messages to other users. Might have to do that here too.

[Russell]

These are very similar to messages sent to members over at Expat Café by someone who repeatedly registered using different names. Some recipients took them seriously and got all freaked out, so I eventually had to make it impossible for new users who hadn't passed the initial probation to send private messages to other users. Might have to do that here too.

May be a good idea.

On the other hand, we need some topics to talk about on this forum, and this moron makes for nice conversation.

[Mike Oxlong]

LOL, I got one too...

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Mine is a bit more cryptic, though.

Can anybody explain what it means? Is it native English?

Yeah, could be a native speaker. To off someone is to kill someone. Not the sharpest crayon in the box, but those rapey types usually aren't.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Other than a generational gap, can someone explain to me the difference in a comfort woman and a sex slave? . . .

UNITED STATES OFFICE OF WAR INFORMATION | Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49.

That was a tremendously interesting document (doubly valuable for being so in a topic that's been done to death).
In addition to the passage on the "average" Korean comfort woman, I loved the "comfort bags."
Among the numerous things the Japanese tend to forget about World War II was how enthusiastically the home front supported the lads even as the cuntry was having the fucken bejeezus bombarded out of it (just as the "average" German kept fighting for the Nazi ideal right to the bitter end) and how well its Korean subjects supported it. Indeed, the current Korean president is the offspring of a former officer of the Imperial Japanese Army. The Koreans, too, have many closets that open with chimes from "Dem Bones..."

[Russell]

Not the sharpest crayon in the box, but those rapey types usually aren't.

Hmm. I wonder whether he even has the qualifications to be a crayon, given his level of creativity...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Listening to Hashimoto live now....he claims Japan is being targeted harshly for something every country does. He seems to forget that the Japanese government was instrumental in setting up its comfort stations. Most countries during World War II may have turned a blind eye to prostitution, but they did not actively organize it. He also refutes prostitution per se, though it's a legal occupation in many parts of the world outside of theocracies such as those found in many parts of the Middle East, East Asia and the United States.

Edit: I give him credit for being frank and candid, but there's no place for those qualities in politics. He should fall on his sword immediately.

[Coligny]

Not the sharpest crayon in the box, but those rapey types usually aren't.

Hmm. I wonder whether he even has the qualifications to be a crayon, given his level of creativity...

Great, now I'm hungry... haven't eaten one of those in weeks...

[Coligny]

Edit: I give him credit for being frank and candid, but there's no place for those qualities in politics. He should fall on his sword immediately.

Ok, so now being a clueless idiot is a quality...

Stop this planet... I want out... like right now !

[wagyl]

I loved the "comfort bags."

Probably nothing more than an different phrase for "care parcel," but yes it does have an amusing, spectitular image now.

Among the numerous things the Japanese tend to forget about World War II was how enthusiastically the home front supported the lads even as the cuntry was having the fucken bejeezus bombarded out of it (just as the "average" German kept fighting for the Nazi ideal right to the bitter end) and how well its Korean subjects supported it.

I know you are aware of this but it still bears repeating: there were incredible social forces at work here, there, and everywhere during that period. Not a lot of free will or selfishness was allowed in any of the combatant countries. Out here in the deep snowy valleys the tonari-gumi system is still going strong: set up during the rise of militarism, groups of 10 to 15 houses keeping an eye on -- in a good way and in a bad way -- all the others in the group. There are much older tansu with post-war handles on the drawers here ... you pop around to the neighbour's place for a cuppa, notice that they haven't sent metal for melting down for the war effort, and report it for fear that you will be reported for failing to report it.

What really brought it home was last year, we were all working on clearing out a community storehouse. At the back was a box of decorations and musical instruments. The older guys started opening up and talking about it. It was all bought to give the boys a good send off as they went down to the railway siding to be shipped of to fight. Now, no parent ever wants their son to go to war, however much they feel it is their duty. Imagine the feelings of these people who are not only giving their children to this cause, but also spending money on buying musical instruments and having to make a jolly noise about it as they send their sons off. Not to mention the idiocy that you buy a bugle while at the same time you are sending your drawer handles to be melted down. But if you didn't go to such lengths your patriotism was suspect, and as we all know, "if you are not with us, you are against us."

So, I question the "enthusiasm."

[Yokohammer]

Listening to Hashimoto live now....he claims Japan is being targeted harshly for something every country does. He seems to forget that the Japanese government was instrumental in setting up its comfort stations. Most countries during World War II may have turned a blind eye to prostitution, but they did not actively organize it. He also refutes prostitution per se, though it's a legal occupation in many parts of the world outside of theocracies such as those found in many parts of the Middle East, East Asia and the United States.

Edit: I give him credit for being frank and candid, but there's no place for those qualities in politics. He should fall on his sword immediately.

Watched that here as well. At no point did Hashimoto manage to extract his foot from his mouth. It seems to be stuck, and he just kept pushing it in deeper. Bad, bad interview. I have new admiration for Ogura though, who nimbly assisted Hashimoto in shoving the other foot in as well. What a fucking mess.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I loved the "comfort bags."

Probably nothing more than an different phrase for "care parcel," but yes it does have an amusing, spectitular image now.

Among the numerous things the Japanese tend to forget about World War II was how enthusiastically the home front supported the lads even as the cuntry was having the fucken bejeezus bombarded out of it (just as the "average" German kept fighting for the Nazi ideal right to the bitter end) and how well its Korean subjects supported it.

I know you are aware of this but it still bears repeating: there were incredible social forces at work here, there, and everywhere during that period. Not a lot of free will or selfishness was allowed in any of the combatant countries. Out here in the deep snowy valleys the tonari-gumi system is still going strong: set up during the rise of militarism, groups of 10 to 15 houses keeping an eye on -- in a good way and in a bad way -- all the others in the group. There are much older tansu with post-war handles on the drawers here ... you pop around to the neighbour's place for a cuppa, notice that they haven't sent metal for melting down for the war effort, and report it for fear that you will be reported for failing to report it.

What really brought it home was last year, we were all working on clearing out a community storehouse. At the back was a box of decorations and musical instruments. The older guys started opening up and talking about it. It was all bought to give the boys a good send off as they went down to the railway siding to be shipped of to fight. Now, no parent ever wants their son to go to war, however much they feel it is their duty. Imagine the feelings of these people who are not only giving their children to this cause, but also spending money on buying musical instruments and having to make a jolly noise about it as they send their sons off. Not to mention the idiocy that you buy a bugle while at the same time you are sending your drawer handles to be melted down. But if you didn't go to such lengths your patriotism was suspect, and as we all know, "if you are not with us, you are against us."

So, I question the "enthusiasm."

You're right, of course. On the individual level (or individual communities as may be the case), things are never quite so black-and-white.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I have new admiration for Ogura though, who nimbly assisted Hashimoto in shoving the other foot in as well. What a fucking mess.

Yes, kudos to Ogura. He was excellent!

I agree with Hashimoto that politics should be less vague. He is right to point out that Japan is perceived poorly overseas and that much of this perception derives from vagueness of expression. There are too many sneaky bastards in government who will say one thing for domestic consumption and another aimed at the hairy barbarians. Nothing will change, though.
I don't speak Plastic Bertrand, but as wagyl noted, change plus change equals no change.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I got one too! Yay!!

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[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I got one too! Yay!!

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This post reminded me of this...probably not PC, so I really regret offending you.

[matsuki]

Other than a generational gap, can someone explain to me the difference in a comfort woman and a sex slave? . . .

UNITED STATES OFFICE OF WAR INFORMATION | Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49.

That was a tremendously interesting document (doubly valuable for being so in a topic that's been done to death).
In addition to the passage on the "average" Korean comfort woman, I loved the "comfort bags."
Among the numerous things the Japanese tend to forget about World War II was how enthusiastically the home front supported the lads even as the cuntry was having the fucken bejeezus bombarded out of it (just as the "average" German kept fighting for the Nazi ideal right to the bitter end) and how well its Korean subjects supported it. Indeed, the current Korean president is the offspring of a former officer of the Imperial Japanese Army. The Koreans, too, have many closets that open with chimes from "Dem Bones..."

Just watched a new North Korea documentary...the similarities with the Japanese mindset are scary. Of course, North Korea has taken it to the extreme but it's the same mentality. Hospital tour showing the latest technology but no patients, can't see patients unless the patient gives consent but then again you can't ask the patient for consent if you can't see them. That circular logic sound familiar? Superior race complex and everything that went wrong is blamed/excused on "it's the Americans" all while they tried to cover up anything that made the country look bad.

[Mike Oxlong]

These are very similar to messages sent to members over at Expat Café by someone who repeatedly registered using different names. Some recipients took them seriously and got all freaked out, so I eventually had to make it impossible for new users who hadn't passed the initial probation to send private messages to other users. Might have to do that here too.

Was on a now-defunct local forum years ago. Mostly populated with mil and ex-mil types. If I had 100円 for every time I was cyber-stalked...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Other than a generational gap, can someone explain to me the difference in a comfort woman and a sex slave? . . .

UNITED STATES OFFICE OF WAR INFORMATION | Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49.

That was a tremendously interesting document (doubly valuable for being so in a topic that's been done to death).
In addition to the passage on the "average" Korean comfort woman, I loved the "comfort bags."
Among the numerous things the Japanese tend to forget about World War II was how enthusiastically the home front supported the lads even as the cuntry was having the fucken bejeezus bombarded out of it (just as the "average" German kept fighting for the Nazi ideal right to the bitter end) and how well its Korean subjects supported it. Indeed, the current Korean president is the offspring of a former officer of the Imperial Japanese Army. The Koreans, too, have many closets that open with chimes from "Dem Bones..."

Just watched a new North Korea documentary...the similarities with the Japanese mindset are scary. Of course, North Korea has taken it to the extreme but it's the same mentality. Hospital tour showing the latest technology but no patients, can't see patients unless the patient gives consent but then again you can't ask the patient for consent if you can't see them. That circular logic sound familiar? Superior race complex and everything that went wrong is blamed/excused on "it's the Americans" all while they tried to cover up anything that made the country look bad.

I've long argued that North Korea is the successor state to Imperial Japan, which, of course, retains its powerful Confucian roots beneath its Okamoto-thin membrane veneer of modernity...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Ah, FG...still good fun!



The truth hurts, apparently...

You sure that's a response to this?

Yeah, that, or he likes playing BJJ with other men...like you!

Looks like I made a funny without meaning too. That was a serious question.

[Coligny]

So you are making it an art form ?

[Russell]

Hashimoto offers to meet 'comfort women' to apologize

“I will tell the comfort women that I’m sorry for Japan having had such a system no matter whether it was forcible or not,” Hashimoto said. “It was a disgraceful act and should never be repeated.”

But Hashimoto, who has been mentioned as a possible future prime minister, insisted sexual exploitation of women was not unique to Japan.

“During World War II, neither the U.S. nor the British militaries had comfort stations or comfort women, but it is an obvious fact that they made use of local women.

“Japan was not the only one doing this,” he said. “Everybody was doing bad things. I think Japanese people… should offer objections if there is a misunderstanding of facts overseas.”

There is no mainstream evidence that other countries’ modern militaries have employed a formal sex slavery system.

Hashimoto prompted outrage at home and abroad by saying on Monday that soldiers living with the daily threat of death needed some way to let off steam which was provided by the comfort women system.

Up to 200,000 women from Korea, China, the Philippines and elsewhere were forcibly drafted into brothels catering to the Japanese military in territories occupied by Japan during WWII, according to many mainstream historians.

Hashimoto’s comments reflect an opinion not uncommon among those on the right of Japanese politics that there was no direct involvement in the system by either the state or the imperial army.

The position holds that while there may have been coercion, it was carried out by individuals, gangs or businesses, some of which were non-Japanese.

What a fornicating bullshit.

I have heard stories about Dutch women in Japanese concentration camps who were ordered by soldiers to provide 10 women the next morning for sexual services.

Imagine their shock when ten eager 70+ year olds volunteered to take the jobs...

[Kanchou]

I'm watching him too and while at first it sounded like he was making a good point, he took a quick turn into backtracking and now he's clearly saying something completely different from what he meant with the first couple statements. Now he's even saying Japan should apologize for it.

He apparently doesn't realize that the reason people are made isn't because he said it was necessary, but because he's basically the Japanese version of a holocaust denier.

He also doesn't seem to realize that none of the other countries systemized military prostitution.

[Russell]

I'm watching him too and while at first it sounded like he was making a good point, he took a quick turn into backtracking and now he's clearly saying something completely different from what he meant with the first couple statements. Now he's even saying Japan should apologize for it.

He apparently doesn't realize that the reason people are made isn't because he said it was necessary, but because he's basically the Japanese version of a holocaust denier.

He also doesn't seem to realize that none of the other countries systemized military prostitution.

He also put the "comfort women" on one line with prostitutes. They weren't. They were forced to provide sexual services to Japanese soldiers. That's not prostitution, that's sexual slavery.

They only point he is right in is that young men are in desperate need of sex. But we all knew that.

[Taro Toporific]

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[Screwed-down Hairdo]

He apparently doesn't realize that the reason people are mad isn't because he said it was necessary, but because he's basically the Japanese version of a holocaust denier.

You're right, and I think that's wrong (Not you being right, but his treatment as a Holocaust denier). He's not doing that. I'm inclined to think of him that way, but it's wrong. It not only weakens the vile stance of the actual Holocaust deniers, it also detracts from his valid point that not all these women were forced sex slaves. There were women working the comfort stations who did so voluntarily, I guess many for the same reason people become sex workers nowadays: it's potentially fast money that pays highly for the amount of time put in. Japan was a much poorer cuntry then than it is now, women had even less of a role to play in society and for some it may have been a legitimate occupational choice.

He also doesn't seem to realize that none of the other countries systemized military prostitution.

You're right again. And this is his major problem, for mine.
Yes, Allied troops used sex workers, too. The major difference, as you point out Kanchou, is that they did not use government-sanctioned brothels. Prostitution was legal and licensed in Japan at the time and it would not have seemed untoward for the authorities to set up something like the comfort stations, which is supported by the cuntry's first piece of postwar legislation being the establishment of brothels for Occupation troops.

The more Japan and people like Hashimoto protest the sex slave issue, the worse they look. (Speaking of sex slaves, I think Hashimoto is right to complain about this being a translation for "comfort women." It's not the correct term, either in translation or in reality....but clouding this issue is one of the goals of insidious racists like Hashimoto, so this is more than a simple issue of picking the right word.)

[Russell]

The more Japan and people like Hashimoto protest the sex slave issue, the worse they look. (Speaking of sex slaves, I think Hashimoto is right to complain about this being a translation for "comfort women." It's not the correct term, either in translation or in reality....but clouding this issue is one of the goals of insidious racists like Hashimoto, so this is more than a simple issue of picking the right word.)

Not clear to me why you think the term sex slaves is incorrect, even if not all of them were forced to provide sex (as far as I understand, the majority was forced).

Any more info on this?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Not clear to me why you think the term sex slaves is incorrect, even if not all of them were forced to provide sex (as far as I understand, the majority was forced).

Any more info on this?

Not all the comfort women were sex slaves. Some were there by choice. And some of those who chose to be there were foreigners (or, at least, non-Japanese subjects of the Japanese Empire.)
Making "sex slave" a blanket translation for ianfu, literally "comfort lady" in Japanese, is grossly inaccurate....

....however, this point is picked up by Japanese apologists who can point to it and argue that this being wrong makes every (unflattering) fact about Japan noted overseas is wrong. It's their common M.O., and they scream and scream and scream until their point is believed, at least for domestic consumption, which is all that really counts for them anyway.

Hashimoto is an extremely smart and tenacious bloke. He was cast so much doubt over this issue people will not know who to believe, then they will like him because he boasts of how great the Japanese are, which is what every Japanese I've ever met sincerely believes. Fortunately, Hashimoto is a burakumin and the plutocracy will crush him if he ever looks like getting any real power.

Sorry....got a bit ranty there...

[Kanchou]

The level of compulsion probably ranged from "doing it for the money" to "need the money" to "really don't want to be here, but... money versus bayonets" to "family REALLY needed the money" to straight up forced..

I mean, even the ones who didn't really want to be there, but took the money probably were only there because Asians in the 30s and 40s really couldn't say know to the Imperial Army...