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Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby yanpa » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:52 pm

Interesting concept, not sure if it works so well for Tokyo.
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Re: Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby Coligny » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Ain't anything an improvement over this:

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Unless you are planning an air raid, the proportion irl don't count as much as the general trajectories...
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Re: Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:57 pm

yanpa wrote:Interesting concept, not sure if it works so well for Tokyo.
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I thought it looked great...but that was from a distance. Upon closer inspection, there were lots of places physically adjacent but broadly separated on the map.
Still, a great try!
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Re: Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby yanpa » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:46 am

I think it has two fundamental problems - it doesn't give any indication of the through connections to non-subway lines, and it's constructed around the Oedo Line, which might be almost circular but which isn't the core of the system, while ignoring the Yamanote Line completely.
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Re: Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby Coligny » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:03 am

Screwed-down Hairdo wrote:I thought it looked great...but that was from a distance. Upon closer inspection, there were lots of places physically adjacent but broadly separated on the map.
Still, a great try!


The point of a metro map is to show you the distance/time sequence between connected stations in a selective way. If two positions are not linked or serviced by the same line, the map don't have to create any meaning on their respective position and relation.
That's second year highschool geography material... The one we called "no matter what you do, the she-devil teacher will find an excuse to behead you"
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Postby Coligny » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:08 am

yanpa wrote:I think it has two fundamental problems - it doesn't give any indication of the through connections to non-subway lines, and it's constructed around the Oedo Line, which might be almost circular but which isn't the core of the system, while ignoring the Yamanote Line completely.


For Tokyo there's always been two maps, with or without non subway map. If i understooded well during mah shopping tripz...
And the specificity service wyse of a line with a circular component make it a de facto center point of the system.
Paris is the same, looking at the map, youd never guess that the most vital lines are the RER line A and her parrallel metro line 1.
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Re: Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby wagyl » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:11 am

Same guy who did this. Looks like he is on a bit of a roll ← pun!

That link also has a link to maps addressing the issues SDH referred to, maintaining some geographical reality while also displaying necessary information clearly.
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Postby omae mona » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:20 am

yanpa wrote:I think it has two fundamental problems - it doesn't give any indication of the through connections to non-subway lines, and it's constructed around the Oedo Line, which might be almost circular but which isn't the core of the system, while ignoring the Yamanote Line completely.


Might be good for tourists... I have never been able to get visitors to set foot on a train other than the subway system, so those through connections might not be needed for inside-the-Yamanote tourists.

The Oedo line thing bothered me too. Topologically (is that the right word?) it actually *does* seem central to me. It might be the most connected train line in the city. But you're right that it's strange to be centered around it. If somebody tries to use the Oedo line as a "hub" with other lines emanating out as spokes, then they're in for a few surprises. First, their fares will skyrocket because you pay each time you switch between the Toei lines and the Metro lines. Secondly, the transfers between the two systems usually seem to involve at least 4 flights of stairs or escalators, and/or hundreds of meters of walking. It's probably faster (though not cheaper) to get out and take a taxi if you're just planning to go 1-2 stops after transferring.
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Re: Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby yanpa » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:11 pm

If anyone finds themself in a situation where they're popping in and out of subway stations all day, a 1-day ticket for 1000 yen might be good value for money (also available separately for Tokyo Metro and Toei).
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Re: Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby yanpa » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:15 pm

Now this is taking through-running onto other systems to ridiculous extremes:

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Postby Coligny » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:26 pm

Easy commute map for Alien occupation ?
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Postby Russell » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:37 pm

LOL. Amsterdam is in Northern Germany?
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Postby Coligny » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:31 pm

Russell wrote:LOL. Amsterdam is in Northern Germany?


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Re: Tokyo's subway map going circular

Postby matsuki » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:34 am

omae mona wrote:the transfers between the two systems usually seem to involve at least 4 flights of stairs or escalators, and/or hundreds of meters of walking. It's probably faster (though not cheaper) to get out and take a taxi if you're just planning to go 1-2 stops after transferring.


THIS....but you forgot about the labyrinth of signs posted overhead that send you in circles
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