Gov. Blinky Ishihara wants to buy the Senkaku Rocks

[IparryU]

What's the bet that the entire FUBAR will be found to be the fault of one, two, three or maybe four idiotic officials who acted without following proper procedure or authorisation. They will be taken out and shot at dawn for their impudence, either literally or figuratively, and face will be restored. Meanwhile, they can say it was a win for China because the message that China is not going to accept the status quo and is prepared to escalate the situation has gone out to the world.

While that seems SOP in China (as well in Japan...though without the killing), I think they are beyond that option when they are sending out armed "patrols" of their BS claims.

The fact that Japan will cower away and hide behind their allies is why China is playing their cards this way.

What proved it even more so was when 2 USAF B-52s flew in their air zone unwarranted with no retaliation. I figure if Japan were to pull a ballzy move like that, shit would have hit the fan.

You probably did not get the news, but Japan already flew war planes through the new zone the first day.

If that is the case, then Tsuru is spot on.

Fuckin silly though... Japan buys the land and China claims it's airspace...


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[Coligny]

And them B52 were unarmed... Not that it matters... But the fact the US insisted on that is a bit weird...

[kurogane]

"I don't know if there's an easy out here for China," Harold added. "The easy thing would be if they'd never done it in the first place."

Yea... better way to win is not to play...

Nope.
They should have thought through the different scenarios that could emerge..

Agreed. What a remarkable show of incompetent policy making and planning. I read a paper a few years back arguing that what the world needs to fear is not China's new power, confidence and strategic vision but rather the shocking stupidity and incompetence amongst the new class of nepo-cratic elites. The piece was shockingly ethnocentric, even by the standards of white liberal political economy, but it certainly jibes with what I saw at grad school. All but 2 of 20 or so Chinese Monbusho award holders were braying ninnies that couldn't be trusted to plan a simple exchange party never mind a national defence.

Harold added. "The easy thing would be if they'd never done it in the first place."

Yea... better way to win is not to play...

I think these might be 2 different facets of the overall topic. I think this Harold person has a good point, but if they could have got the esteemed Professor Falken to comment, well, that would have been a WOPR of a story.

It would have been much more productive if China had just sent out a circular asking their neighbours to a nice game of chess. Sometimes it's good when life imitates art.


Also, shocking stupidity on the part of the Jpn gov't to pressure ANA and JAL into non-compliance. That worries me much more than this rather typical Chinese buffoonery. It certainly shows that Abe is prone to a sort of Cheney/Rumsfeld level stupidity, given the lack of knowledge of the unknown unknowns in this equation.

[Coligny]

If that is the case, then Tsuru is spot on.

Fuckin silly though... Japan buys the land and China claims it's airspace...


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Missing 2 things:

1- They are pissing off the whole region, we are focusing on Japan, but their claims are so wide that it can be seen as just a first step.

2- Maybe they are also trying to refocus the population by declaring outside threats 9-11 style (even if they don't need this to pass freedom crushing laws). But they also sort of really seems to want the ressources there (Iraq style). That would mean they can't just do some posturing but have to go for real...
Also I don't think they would be too afraid before killing good part of their populace if it means keeping the remaining ones in line...

Time to re-read Red Storm Rising again...

[kurogane]

China is the only country in the world that could lose 100 million people and be better off for it - Deng Xiao Ping

A scary truth from scary monster

[Coligny]

Agreed. What a remarkable show of incompetent policy making and planning. I read a paper a few years back arguing that what the world needs to fear is not China's new power, confidence and strategic vision but rather the shocking stupidity and incompetence amongst the new class of nepo-cratic elites. The piece was shockingly ethnocentric, even by the standards of white liberal political economy, but it certainly jibes with what I saw at grad school. All but 2 of 20 or so Chinese Monbusho award holders were braying ninnies that couldn't be trusted to plan a simple exchange party never mind a national defence.

Aren't the oyaji's still in power while the new elite just practice getting richer for now ?
(usual two step move, 1- get the money, 2- when you are stuffed, money don't matter anymore, then you want power)

Also, shocking stupidity on the part of the Jpn gov't to pressure ANA and JAL into non-compliance. That worries me much more than this rather typical Chinese buffoonery. It certainly shows that Abe is prone to a sort of Cheney/Rumsfeld level stupidity, given the lack of knowledge of the unknown unknowns in this equation.

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Japan seems to have the same "expandable population for greater good" approach as China... easier to spot, especially after Fukushima... But they don't seem to realize that they are a bit short staffed for this kind of move...

[kurogane]

Yeah, that's a nice summary of how and why Abe is such an inbred retard. He has at least 12 different tactics that would play to Japan's relative strengths and instead he chooses the Wall of Meat option, the one card they can't play against China.

Not to mention that his first recruits are airplane riding taxpaying voters in a rather open democracy that still hasn't entirely embraced his spastic anachronistic sabre rattling. Which is to say, his potential core support group.

[matsuki]

Well if China attacks first....Japan's "Defense"force gets some action and he might get the changes he wants in regards to Japan's military.

[Tsuru]

I just had a great idea: Maybe Japan can start dumping radioactive soil from Fukushima on the Senkaku and Takeshima.

[Coligny]

Ehmmmm...

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28103&start=360#p331718

[Tsuru]

So we're all agreed that it's a fantastic idea.

I'll bring the shovels

[Russell]

So we're all agreed that it's a fantastic idea.

I'll bring the shovels

It can't be coincidence that it's only Dutch posters who come up with this idea...

[Tsuru]

Skyvector has kindly posted the Chinese ADIZ on its map (which is global and free and awesome, by the way)

http://skyvector.com/?ll=29.19053283054 ... 304&zoom=8

This link shows the upper airways that most traffic in the area uses, and airspace divisions as they exist today between Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and China.
What China has actually done, is take a ruler and take a large chunk of not only Japanese airspace but also of South Korean and Taiwanese airspace and demand all traffic entering it report to them.

I suppose it's bad form in diplomatic relations to tell them to get fucked, but you have to wonder if China actually has the capability of enforcing any such demand.

So we're all agreed that it's a fantastic idea.

I'll bring the shovels

It can't be coincidence that it's only Dutch posters who come up with this idea...

Maybe we could ask Ishihara if he wants to swap them for some sunny caribbean islands...

[Coligny]

Skyvector has kindly posted the Chinese ADIZ on its map (which is global and free and awesome, by the way)

http://skyvector.com/?ll=29.19053283054 ... 304&zoom=8

FUCK ME... Can't even tally how much I spend on expired jeppessen maps for FSzob... nao is all free with an ipad strapped to your tights...

[matsuki]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/2 ... moon-rover

How long before China claims the moon is Chinese territory?

[Coligny]

You forgot the rule against giving them more bad ideas... again...

[Russell]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/2013/12/02/10/20/china-launches-its-first-moon-rover

How long before China claims the moon is Chinese territory?

As soon as Japan succeeds to use the moon as a solar power plant...

[Coligny]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/technology/2013/12/02/10/20/china-launches-its-first-moon-rover

How long before China claims the moon is Chinese territory?

As soon as Japan succeeds to use the moon as a solar power plant...

So the moon will accidentally blow up soon too ? I mean, it's not out of their league to also fuck up a solar powerplant...

[Tsuru]

Skyvector has kindly posted the Chinese ADIZ on its map (which is global and free and awesome, by the way)

http://skyvector.com/?ll=29.19053283054 ... 304&zoom=8

FUCK ME... Can't even tally how much I spend on expired jeppessen maps for FSzob... nao is all free with an ipad strapped to your tights...

Google is your friend. More gems:

http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/

http://www.opennav.com/

[Samurai_Jerk]

U.S. sends new submarine-hunting jets to Japan amid East Asia tension

The U.S. Navy's first advanced P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft has arrived in Japan, the start of a deployment that will upgrade America's ability to hunt submarines and other vessels in seas close to China as tension in the region mounts.

The deployment, planned before China last month established an air defense zone covering islands controlled by Japan and claimed by Beijing, includes six aircraft to be delivered to Kadena air base on Okinawa this month.

The first arrived on Sunday, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy told Reuters. The mission in the waters west of Japan's main islands will be the new aircraft's first anywhere.

The jet, built by Boeing Co based on its 737 passenger plane, has been built to replace the aging propeller-powered Lockheed Martin P-3 Orion patrol aircraft, which has been in service for 50 years.

Packed with the latest radar equipment and armed with torpedoes and anti-ship missiles, the P-8 is able to fly further and stay out on mission longer than the P-3.

[matsuki]

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Submarine what?

[Coligny]

U.S. sends new submarine-hunting jets to Japan amid East Asia tension

The U.S. Navy's first advanced P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft has arrived in Japan, the start of a deployment that will upgrade America's ability to hunt submarines and other vessels in seas close to China as tension in the region mounts.

Introduction Initial operating capability planned for 2013[2]

Oh yeah... between this and the Varyag it's getting worse than amateur night...

[Russell]

Looks like China overplayed its hand.

This is the right move.

Finally, the US focuses on the real threat instead of their insignificant Islamic adversaries.

[Coligny]

Looks like China overplayed its hand.

I like this saying...

It's d00tsh or does real english speaking people use it too ?

[Tsuru]

Looks like China overplayed its hand.

I like this saying...

It's d00tsh or does real english speaking people use it too ?

Fairly sure it's more than Dunglish.

[matsuki]

Looks like China overplayed its hand.

I like this saying...

It's d00tsh or does real english speaking people use it too ?

It's English....though I would add, when doesn't China overplay their hand when it comes to shit like this?

[Wage Slave]

Looks like China overplayed its hand.

I like this saying...

It's d00tsh or does real english speaking people use it too ?

It's English

It is English (as well) all right. I wonder if it comes from bridge/whist or poker? I thought bridge/whist but perhaps not.

[CrankyBastard]

Looks like China overplayed its hand.

I like this saying...

It's d00tsh or does real english speaking people use it too ?

It's English

It is English (as well) all right. I wonder if it comes from bridge/whist or poker? I thought bridge/whist but perhaps not.

I think it's a Geordie expression, meaning excessive masturbation!

[Samurai_Jerk]

Looks like China overplayed its hand.

I like this saying...

It's d00tsh or does real english speaking people use it too ?

It's English

My wrist is killing me.
It is English (as well) all right. I wonder if it comes from bridge/whist or poker? I thought bridge/whist but perhaps not.

I think it's a Geordie expression, meaning excessive masturbation!

My wrist is killing me.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Biden: China air zone raises risk of accidents

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden voiced strong opposition Tuesday to China's new air defense zone above a set of disputed islands, showing a united front with an anxious Japan as tension in the region simmered.

"This action has raised regional tensions and increased the risk of accidents and miscalculation," he said.

Biden said the U.S. is coordinating closely with allies Japan, South Korea and others, adding that the U.S. has an interest in lowering tensions in the region.

"I will be raising these issues with great specificity when I meet with Chinese leadership the day after tomorrow," Biden said.