What can I get for this price?

[ibiza]

I used to live in Koriyama, which is in Fukushima ken. I plan on moving to Tokyo in 3 or 4 years, and I'm wondering what the prices are like.


I'm looking to spend between $4,000 and $6,000 USD monthly for an apartment, but would really like to get a condo.

I've been looking at apartments online which are in or near downtowm Tokyo, and $6,000 only gets you like 1,000 sq feet. I'm wondering, if I decide to move out away from the city, mabey 15-20 mins by car/train, would the price be any cheaper? Or would I be getting more for my money?

The apartments that I really like in tokyo are going for $12,000+ a month, which is just crazy. Plus you have to put down like a $40,000 deposit. not to mention key-money.

Thanks.

[AssKissinger]

I'm looking to spend between $4,000 and $6,000 USD monthly for an apartment, but would really like to get a condo.

I don't live in Tokyo but you can crash on my sofa for half that but don't be using up all the fucking hot water! Seriously, what kind of question is that? So you can afford $50,000 plus on rent alone well then you're not fucked so go get fucked, this ain't 'rich pompous-ass gaijin' it's 'fucked gaijin'. OK here's my real answer: For $4,000 a month you can get a kick-ass apartment anywhere in the world, as if that isn't something everybody already knows...mumble: Bill Gates motherfucker...

The apartments that I really like in tokyo are going for $12,000+ a month,

Yeah, I like those, too

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

AssKissinger you beat me to it.

But seriously for 4000 you could take out a morgage for $200 000 usd and by a mansion(japanese obiviously not western) and have it paid off with in the 2 years. and sell it at the end for a profit. In univeristy I lived off of about $8000 a year yes thats right a year. Cable modem and all.

[ibiza]

I'm looking to spend between $4,000 and $6,000 USD monthly for an apartment, but would really like to get a condo.

So you can afford $50,000 plus on rent alone well then you're not fucked so go get fucked, this ain't 'rich pompous-ass gaijin' it's 'fucked gaijin'. OK here's my real answer: For $4,000 a month you can get a kick-ass apartment anywhere in the world, as if that isn't something everybody already knows...mumble: Bill Gates motherfucker...

dude, I dont need any shit, ok.

I never said I could afford a $50,000 on rent alone. I have about $9,000 a month total to spend. And that includes office space that I'll have to rent out as well. I'm by no means rich.

Anyways, the aparments for $5,000 a month in roppongi and other parts of Tokyo are rather small. Most less than 1000 sq. feet. I don't mind at all living in a 1000 sq foot apartment, but paying $5000 a month just seems crazy.

Would I be better off moving outside of Tokyo? If so, what's a nice area close to Tokyo?

But seriously for 4000 you could take out a morgage for $200 000 usd and by a mansion(japanese obiviously not western) and have it paid off with in the 2 years.

I wonder how hard it is for a foreigner to get a loan.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

[GargoyleTS]

Just my 2 cents:

For sheer anime points with all my friends I'll be leaving behind...I wanna live in Shinjuku for a while!

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

Just my 2 cents:

For sheer anime points with all my friends I'll be leaving behind...I wanna live in Shinjuku for a while!

I want a house built into the ground with a glass roof right outside shibuya 109

[AssKissinger]

5,000 a month times 12 months would be 60,000 a year. Just for rent? Uhh, if you can afford that you're rich.

[Video-Link Japan]

I used to live in Koriyama, which is in Fukushima ken. I plan on moving to Tokyo in 3 or 4 years, and I'm wondering what the prices are like.

I'm looking to spend between $4,000 and $6,000 USD monthly for an apartment, but would really like to get a condo.

You could BUY one of these babies in Ginza for about $50,000..!!!
http://www.kisho.co.jp/WorksAndProjects/Works/nakagin/index.html

Then you'd have plenty of cash left over for more important things..

[bejiita]

I have about $9,000 a month total to spend. And that includes office space that I'll have to rent out as well. I'm by no means rich.

If you have US$9,000 a month to spend, that's pretty good. Compare your net spending with a sample 2001 average salary report.

[Watcher]

Look... I'm a nice a guy and usually I just lurk around and don't say a thing... but your posts are just a little too out there. I'll start by giving you the benefit of the doubt. Here's my realistic advice for a someone who wants to move to Japan permanently and start a business; Get a lawyer. One here who has all the legitimate knowledge you will need and can negotiate the real estate leases on your behalf. There are quite a few around and you clearly have enough cash to get things started right. Secondly you oughta stop looking at the relocation websites as they really just cater to those who are sent here by their company and not of their own accord.
I however must question the legitimacy of anyone who wants to move here permanently after spending only a short time in an average Japanese city and is willing to be spending $9000USD per month on expenses. If you sense sceptics all over this place on you maybe you need to clarify just what your angle is cause sure as hell ain't no one written such a tale on FG boards before.

[ibiza]

If you sense sceptics all over this place on you maybe you need to clarify just what your angle is cause sure as hell ain't no one written such a tale on FG boards before.

I used to live in Koriyama. I was there for a year going to school and enjoyed every minute of it. Since my first week there, I knew that I would eventually want to move there for good, and my thoughts have not changed since then.

Serious real estate and business legality inquiries can wait. As I mentioned, the move is still 3 or 4 years down the line. I'm just looking for the opinions of people who are already living there.

[Caustic Saint]

Serious real estate and business legality inquiries can wait. As I mentioned, the move is still 3 or 4 years down the line. I'm just looking for the opinions of people who are already living there.

The prevailing opinion seems to be that youv'e got more money than God.

Seriously, $4,000 a month is a shitload of cash to spend on rent - even in Tokyo. You can live like a king for that kind of money - as somebody else pointed out - anywhere in the world. If you don't know that, then you have either:

a) grown up very rich and spoiled, or
b) have no concept of the value of money, or
c) are talking out of your ass.

Nobody on this board comes across as being filthy rich (though some of us wonder how much cash Taro's got stashed under his tatami ](And no, this isn't is "fuck off and don't post here anymore" message. Only one person here - the board owner - has the right to post those. Consider this an invite to wake up and smell the cans of coffee - lest you find youself getting beat about the head and neck with one that's been dropped into a sock - figuratively speaking, of course.)[/size]

[ibiza]

Serious real estate and business legality inquiries can wait. As I mentioned, the move is still 3 or 4 years down the line. I'm just looking for the opinions of people who are already living there.

Seriously, $4,000 a month is a shitload of cash to spend on rent - even in Tokyo. You can live like a king for that kind of money - as somebody else pointed out - anywhere in the world.

Not in Denver. Yes, $4000 a month can buy you a nice place to live, but I'd hardly call it living like a king. Most middle class homes in the Denver metro area cost anything from $300,000 to $800,000. These are normal suburban homes, most of them built in the 60's and 70's. 3 bedrooms, 2000 sq. feet 2 baths, etc. No, the floors arn't lined with gold. Housing and cost of living in Denver is just nuts.

A $500k house in Denver goes for $120k in Detroit. It's all about location. And from what I've read, and experienced, Tokyo is one of the most exspensive places to live on the planet.

If you don't know that, then you have either:

a) grown up very rich and spoiled, or
b) have no concept of the value of money, or
c) are talking out of your ass.

I don't know how you can make those assuptions. None are true.

A.) I didn't grow up spoiled. I was raised by a single mother in a shitty apartment in Detroit's north side.

B.) I didn't have money as a child. It's no doubt that that is the reason why I work so hard and earn the money I do.

C.) That's just childish now, isn't it.

[Caustic Saint]

If you don't know that, then you have either:

a) grown up very rich and spoiled, or
b) have no concept of the value of money, or
c) are talking out of your ass.

I don't know how you can make those assuptions. None are true.

C.) That's just childish now, isn't it.

No, it's called being blunt. Expect to see a lot more of it if you hang out here.

In Japanese terms, what size apartment/condo are you looking for? 3LDK? Bigger? Here's 3LDK in Shibuya that's about 942sqft. Long term price is 300,000 yen, or roughly $2750 per month.

How much space do you need? Have you got 12 kids and a passel of dogs or something?

Nobody's saying Tokyo's not an expensive place to live, but the figures you're tossing out are ridiculously high.

[ibiza]

How much space do you need? Have you got 12 kids and a passel of dogs or something?

No. 13 actually. It'll be just me. 3 rooms would be ideal. 1 for me, a spare for guests, and an office.

If I can get a nice apartment for $2500 (which from all you rantings, it looks like I can) then thats great. I only pay $1500 for my apartment in Denver right now.

I guess I'm just looking in the wrong places. I've been looking at apartment prices on http://www.japanhomesearch.com/

[Dood_Mon_Dang_]

http://www.japanhomesearch.com sucks.. :P

[Caustic Saint]

If I can get a nice apartment for $2500 (which from all you rantings, it looks like I can) then thats great. I only pay $1500 for my apartment in Denver right now.

I guess I'm just looking in the wrong places. I've been looking at apartment prices on http://www.japanhomesearch.com/

Screw that site, dude. Try the housing links from Gaijinpot and avoid shit like this.

Rent - 500,000 - 2,200,000/Month

Parking - 52,500 - 57,750/Month

PS: You've yet to see real FG rantings. You may want to get a helmet if you think you have.

[Milla]

bloody hell, you only pay $1500 right now for an apt. I can pay less than that for a 3 bedroom house in London, zone 5.

[Big Booger]

Why not just squat under a bridge and save that money?

[GuyJean]

dude, I dont need any shit, ok.

Um. Yeah you do.

People living in $1,500 a month bubble need as much shit it takes to see reality; Your problems are unique and they're your own, but don't expect 97% of the world to understand them, or expect them to help.. I think you'll find help here, though. The FG members are also unique in that sense; they'll help regardless of their own opinions. You'll have a great time in Japan on your budget..

Welcome to FG..

GJ

[maraboutslim]

You could BUY one of these babies in Ginza for about $50,000..!!!

Can you really buy into the nakagin capsule tower for $50k? Even a gaijin? Anyone been inside one of these? After all, it's been a long time since 1972...

-Slim

[Ptyx]

Damn` i just moved in my new apaato and i m paying 66000 yens per month. It a 17 square meters place and i was pretty happy about it. Considering that Tokyo is the most expensive city on earth according to so much magazines i was figuring that rent would be 70000 yens for 5 square meters.
Now 1500 dollars a month for a flat that s what i call expensive for a single guy in Denver. I ve never been to Denver but i guess the rent are cheaper than in Paris or London and in those two cities 1500 dollars to rent a flat could get you a very nice place in a very nice neighborhood.

[Taro Toporific]

Hi Ptyx! I'll see ya with Y-kun soon?

Now 1500 dollars a month for a flat that s what i call expensive for a single guy in Denver. I ve never been to Denver but i guess the rent are cheaper than in Paris or London and in those two cities 1500 dollars to rent a flat could get you a very nice place in a very nice neighborhood.

First, I strongly suspect this whole thread is a troll but...

I'm from "Bowling for Columbine" Colorado: $1,500/m is upper middle range for Denver rent. If he wants the SAME in Tokyo, it'll be $5,000-9,000/m (and it will still substandard since all construction is a fraud here).

Right now my office in Kannai Yokohama. It's a new, fully-serviced building: 1,300 sq. ft. for 300,000 yen/m, no key money and the first 2-5 months free on a 2 year lease here in the banking district. You could rent two floors. Just pay for leasehold improvements for living appointments rather than the current office set up The landloard is gaijin--you rent direct without getting arse-reamed by rental agents.

These deals exist EVERYWHERE in the Kanto, but you gotta be here to check them out.

What you need to do is get a weekly/monthly "mansion" and a fully-serviced temp office for six months while you arrange the best deal. Total cost 200,000-600,000 yen/m. Contact the sort-of worthless but well-meaning folks at JETRO about a monthly "mansion" and temp office since this is one of the few things they can do properly for you (full disclosure I teach IT for JETRO for 6 weeks once a year). http://www.jetro.go.jp/investjapan/index.html

Good luck if you are sincere about this (PM me if you are since I'll be in Denver Dec. 20-26)...

--taro, ex-sometimes contractor

[kamome]

I know one expat who pays approximately $10,000 per month for a HOUSE in HIROO. We're talking multi-bedroom, large baking oven, carpeted floors, two levels. Hiroo is one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Tokyo. I also know someone living in Roppongi Hills for about $5000 per month (2LDK, 39th floor (:!:) , at least 60 sq. meters).

So if you are in the $5000 to $10000 rent range, I know you can get a serious bachelor pad in the heart of Tokyo. If you want more space (up to 1000 sq. meters) at that price range, you probably should go further away from the Yamanote line but I think you can still stay in Tokyo proper. Get a map and follow the Toyoko-sen out to Yokohama to find some really nice neighborhoods that might bring in slightly cheaper rents for larger spaces.

[Milla]

Hey Ptyx!

hope things are going well for you in Japan.
I'll be there in 1 month's time
and no, I'm still not nervous about u know what...

[oyajikun]

If you will be working in western/central Tokyo, Tachikawa is fairly inexpensive and it's right on the Chuo line. If you are single, I believe that a 3LDK would suit your needs. Thats what I have and I have more than enough space. It's very expensive to play in Tokyo so I would get a nice mansion aparto (200,000 - 250,000 range) so you can have some cash left over to bling bling with.

[gomichild]

*wets herself laughing at this entire thread*

You can get a decent apartment in Tokyo for between 130,000 and 180,000 yen no problem. Spend more and it's true that you should consider purchasing an apartment. Rent money is basically dead money - best to break out of the cycle from the beginning if you can. There are better things to do with money than give it to some overweight landlord.

You are a single person moving here - how many ship loads full of stuff are you bringing? Need a separate room to do everything in? It just sounds odd to me.

*may have been confused by all of the US dollar talk*

[kamome]

You can get a decent apartment in Tokyo for between 130,000 and 180,000 yen no problem.

Yes, but this guy is looking for a lot more than decent. He wants a stylin' bachelor pad that doubles as an office space. If he has as much money as he says he has, he can find total luxury that meets his needs somewhere in Tokyo-to.

[Video-Link Japan]

You could BUY one of these babies in Ginza for about $50,000..!!!

Can you really buy into the nakagin capsule tower for $50k? Even a gaijin? Anyone been inside one of these? After all, it's been a long time since 1972... -Slim

Slim.. ya, buddy of mine was shopping there, figures a couple years of (dooh) capsule nites will cover the cost. They are pretty farking small - but then again - much biger than those Shinjuku coffins..!!!

Not sure about the Gaijin buy ok question (he's 'both') and havn't seen inside the building in person either.. just pix on that link. He said they were ok considering the location and price.