FG's, you've wasted your life in Japan

[legion]

Rumour has it a lot of the black truck guys are not pure sons of Yamato

[Samurai_Jerk]

I don`t see what belonging to JA has to do with a foreigners` perception of whether they are accepted…. I was going to say – accepted as a Japanese, but then I do not know his nationality. But maybe it is just perception as a member of society, which too wouldn`t appear to me to be related to membership in an industry organization. Now go and try to join the ranks of the Nationalists as they make their black truck rounds, and I suspect that perception of non-acceptance would be more than just perception.

Wuchan seldom makes sense. I think it's because he only posts when he's drunk or hungover.

[Takechanpoo]

Rumour has it a lot of the black truck guys are not pure sons of Yamato

right, those "uyoku" guys are z-korean or yakuza guys. most of former "uyoku" organizations are to 自作自演 and forge "racism" for z-korean and to bring z-korean close to each other against "racism" toward them and to make them service to their motherland Best korea.
their general manager is 国際勝共連合(International Federation for Victory over Communism) which is political organization of Unification Church.

and zaitokukai's method is very the same with those "uyoku".

[wuchan]

Rumour has it a lot of the black truck guys are not pure sons of Yamato

right, those "uyoku" guys are z-korean or yakuza guys. most of former "uyoku" organizations are to 自作自演 and forge "racism" for z-korean and to bring z-korean close to each other against "racism" toward them and to make them service to their motherland Best korea.
their general manager is 国際勝共連合(International Federation for Victory over Communism) which is political organization of Unification Church.

and zaitokukai's method is very the same with those "uyoku".

most of those black truck dudes are J dudes that dropped out of high school to join construction companies.


well that's their story when I ask. I don't wear a tin foil hat like the locals.





****EDIT: What's really crazy is they want to talk with me and drink with me when they realise that I speak "ghetto" japanese. Maybe more japanese people should dumb down their language.

[legion]

Rumour has it a lot of the black truck guys are not pure sons of Yamato

right, those "uyoku" guys are z-korean or yakuza guys. most of former "uyoku" organizations are to 自作自演 and forge "racism" for z-korean and to bring z-korean close to each other against "racism" toward them and to make them service to their motherland Best korea.
their general manager is 国際勝共連合(International Federation for Victory over Communism) which is political organization of Unification Church.

and zaitokukai's method is very the same with those "uyoku".

most of those black truck dudes are J dudes that dropped out of high school to join construction companies.


well that's their story when I ask. I don't wear a tin foil hat like the locals.





****EDIT: What's really crazy is they want to talk with me and drink with me when they realise that I speak "ghetto" japanese. Maybe more japanese people should dumb down their language.

perhaps there is a reason they dropped out of high school, the sound of doors closing after people looked at the family register?

the only bit of labour law I have found which alludes to racial discrimination is one that prohibits putting a sign on someones document to release them from employment that communicates that the person is not a pure son of Yamato

companies check the family register anyway

[matsuki]

Are Koseki accessible to the public? I know, at least with Juminhyo, there is a pretty private version (after a few screens on the kiosk, I had no idea what version I needed or what the different Kanji meant) that has zero info about the family on it....

[kurogane]

Sort of legally I think, and if not, that's what private detectives and bribes are for. I think things are better than they used to be.

BTW, that bit about the Uyoku boys being Z-K's (good one, Take) is an old wives' tale that has been around since the emperor's father was emperor.

[Salty]

Having hired hundreds, and having headed an HR team – I never saw Koseki checking. The abbreviated Juminhyo version was requested when a pension booklet was not available, to confirm legal name and address. No checking was done on ancestry.

Maybe the Z-K storey originated from when the Yamato boys first drifted East – across the East Sea, and washed up on the shores of Japan. That would make Taka`s statement true…, unless of course there are other nationalities included.

[Wage Slave]

BTW, that bit about the Uyoku boys being Z-K's (good one, Take) is an old wives' tale that has been around since the emperor's father was emperor.

Give him credit - he managed to work in the Unification Church for extra added sneaky foreign evil. Somehow this, in stark contrast:

most of those black truck dudes are J dudes that dropped out of high school to join construction companies.

well that's their story when I ask.

Has the solid ring of credibility. But accuracy and creditability aren't high on Take's list of priorities - it's all about confirming prejudices and pre formed views.

[6810]

Has the solid ring of credibility. But accuracy and creditability aren't high on Take's list of priorities - it's all about confirming prejudices and pre formed views.

Take's been around rocking his shtick forever. It was pretty much past its use-by date in 2009...

Pretty sure no one actually takes him seriously anyway.

He's annoying only in as much as his presence is like the lingering tail end of a fart someone let loose a few minutes ago. Unpleasant but brief, deeply unfortunate but hardly rank enough to spoil one's day.

[kurogane]

Maybe the Z-K storey originated from when the Yamato boys first drifted East – across the East Sea, and washed up on the shores of Japan. That would make Taka`s statement true…, unless of course there are other nationalities included.

Heeheee. Very clever. I do love that old ruse. BTW, it's still called the Sea of Japan.

I have heard enough of Koseki/Juminhyo checking that it perhaps used to be truer than not, but the newer raft of Dowa laws were apparently quite effective. The real problem is that a given address is more than enough to suggest membership in an archaic caste if the reader knows that city. I can do it for Kyoto and I moved there when I was already 30. If you're from Takahara or Matsuno (not real examples, btw), everybody that cares know what your ancestors used to do for a living. One nice thing is the new crowd (under 40) seem to genuinely not give a shiite. I find the squishy relativism a touch cloying but they're moving forwards, one step at a time.

[legion]

I have heard that illegitimate people face barriers right from yochien and this is because of what appears on the family register, maybe enough appears on the juminhyo for people to hold children accountable for the decisions of their parents.


The right wing bus korean connection sounds both unlikely and likely to me. You hear the same about the Yaks.


I'm sure I read an article somewhere about jijibu's doing extensive background checks. I certainly know a Taiwanese guy who grew up here, had a Japanese name, who was sidelined off a project building a satellite rocket which he attributed to his background. Though he did confirm one cliche about the Chinese, when he was over my house while I was still a bachelor, cooking a meal which I thought impossibly tasty to have come out of my poorly equipped kitchen. I remember him looking at the back of the spice bottles to read what was in them before adding them and thinking ahhhhhhhh that's how you do it...........

[kurogane]

Z-Ns = Yaks............yes muchly muchly. At least in Kyoto very much disposable soldier level members. Hard to imagine the level of self-hatred necessary to join an organisation dedicated to your oppression and expulsion. A bit like Dave Chapelle's blind White Supremacist.

As for the Uyoku boys liking Us Types, it's because they aren't even remotely concerned with us. When they say foreigners they mean the native born type. The fact that we usually have far better diction and grammar can't hurt either.

[Yokohammer]

As for the Uyoku boys liking Us Types, it's because they aren't even remotely concerned with us. When they say foreigners they mean the native born type. The fact that we usually have far better diction and grammar can't hurt either.

I've always believed it was because they see themselves as lurking on the fringes of society which, coincidentally, is where we also happen to lurk. We are therefore brethren of a sort.


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[kurogane]

Yeah, good point. It's actually a sociological principle: liminal attraction, if I remember. I find the freaks on trains also gravitate, much to my chagrin. That and JSDF types. Not the normal ones.........the freeks.

[matsuki]

I have heard that illegitimate people face barriers right from yochien and this is because of what appears on the family register, maybe enough appears on the juminhyo for people to hold children accountable for the decisions of their parents.

Maybe Havill can chime in but why the hell do yochien need to know what appears on a childs koseki? The limited info Juminhyo I accidentally selected the other day seems to be enough to transfer the title of my sanrin tochi to my name.

[wagyl]

I have heard that illegitimate people face barriers right from yochien and this is because of what appears on the family register, maybe enough appears on the juminhyo for people to hold children accountable for the decisions of their parents.

Maybe Havill can chime in but why the hell do yochien need to know what appears on a childs koseki? The limited info Juminhyo I accidentally selected the other day seems to be enough to transfer the title of my sanrin tochi to my name.

I don't know how they do it in California but I do know that you needed a birth certificate to enrol in the education system back when I used to be cute. I have heard more than a few stories about that being the first time the record is seen after the birth of the little darling, and seeing the spelling errors which had been overlooked in the joy of the blessed event. A friend's mother Coral was Carol until she was five...

Basically it is the one proof of identity. And in the same way, the father's name item can be blank, providing a delicious relish to go with the staffroom tea and biscuits.

[matsuki]

I have heard that illegitimate people face barriers right from yochien and this is because of what appears on the family register, maybe enough appears on the juminhyo for people to hold children accountable for the decisions of their parents.

Maybe Havill can chime in but why the hell do yochien need to know what appears on a childs koseki? The limited info Juminhyo I accidentally selected the other day seems to be enough to transfer the title of my sanrin tochi to my name.

I don't know how they do it in California but I do know that you needed a birth certificate to enrol in the education system back when I used to be cute. I have heard more than a few stories about that being the first time the record is seen after the birth of the little darling, and seeing the spelling errors which had been overlooked in the joy of the blessed event. A friend's mother Coral was Carol until she was five...

Koseki and birth certificates are separate documents but yeah, I can see where the "single mama" could be exposed...though I thought that was paperwork that was filed when you enroll, not something you submitted before you've been accepted? (when they could reject you like legion is implying)

[IparryU]

I have heard that illegitimate people face barriers right from yochien and this is because of what appears on the family register, maybe enough appears on the juminhyo for people to hold children accountable for the decisions of their parents.

Maybe Havill can chime in but why the hell do yochien need to know what appears on a childs koseki? The limited info Juminhyo I accidentally selected the other day seems to be enough to transfer the title of my sanrin tochi to my name.

because daycare premium is based on the parent's salary. If there are two people, that is two sources of income that they tax for the premium.

Also, if the child is from a single mother and the koseki says different, she loses a lot of benefits and also her priority in public funding/daycare/other free shit.

[matsuki]

I have heard that illegitimate people face barriers right from yochien and this is because of what appears on the family register, maybe enough appears on the juminhyo for people to hold children accountable for the decisions of their parents.

Maybe Havill can chime in but why the hell do yochien need to know what appears on a childs koseki? The limited info Juminhyo I accidentally selected the other day seems to be enough to transfer the title of my sanrin tochi to my name.

because daycare premium is based on the parent's salary. If there are two people, that is two sources of income that they tax for the premium.

Also, if the child is from a single mother and the koseki says different, she loses a lot of benefits and also her priority in public funding/daycare/other free shit.

Wait...I thought we were talking about kindergartens discriminating against (refusing them) single mothers with bastard kids based on their Koseki?

Daycare and (the lack of) benefits they get from the J-gov are pretty established as fucked against single moms with bastard kids.

[kurogane]

Really? The system is skewed against single mothers rather than for them?

Feck..................no wonder so many decent guys that would rather not pony up, eh!?

Does Single Mothers include divorced mothers or just heathen slag puppies like Miki Ando?

[havill]

I have heard that illegitimate people face barriers right from yochien and this is because of what appears on the family register, maybe enough appears on the juminhyo for people to hold children accountable for the decisions of their parents.

Maybe Havill can chime in but why the hell do yochien need to know what appears on a childs koseki? The limited info Juminhyo I accidentally selected the other day seems to be enough to transfer the title of my sanrin tochi to my name.

I've never heard anything like that. I did a preliminary search and I couldn't find any evidence of a kindergarten asking for the family register as part of the paperwork: usually just the vaccination records, etc.

Now, there are kindergartens that ask for the jūminhyō, and this is controversial to many: the primary reason for this seems to be for zoning (just like school zones; being able to prove your child lives in a place to qualify for the schools in that zone) and determination of where your taxes go if the kinder is subsidized.

Again, not all kindergartens ask for it; completely private ones probably don't. I've never heard any (verifiable) cases of a kinder checking a koseki in the 21st century though.

[legion]

Seems like the dates are 1976, 1995 and 2005

In 1976 it became illegal to look at a person's family register without their permission, and for schools and employers to demand people produce it.

1995 differences in recording children born in and out of wedlock were abolished from the household register

In 2005 the law changed the way children were recorded on the family register to make it impossible to tell their legitimacy unless one has access to the full version.

Basically since 1995 an unwed mother can pass herself off as a divorcee.

I think I read something about historical discrimination a while ago, probably associated with the topic of the nationality of children born out of wedlock to foreign mothers and Japanese fathers.

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=Q0dmUzaBJVgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=touch+choices+bearing+an+illegitimate+child+in+Japan&hl=ja&sa=X&ei=qwOLVP3CNKS2mQXztILgAg&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=touch%20choices%20bearing%20an%20illegitimate%20child%20in%20Japan&f=false

[matsuki]

Sooooo...sounds like nowadays the only walls the unwed single mothers face are the governmental ones? (If I remember right, the gov support is not quite so supportive if the kid was born out of wedlock)

[IparryU]

Really? The system is skewed against single mothers rather than for them?

Feck..................no wonder so many decent guys that would rather not pony up, eh!?

Does Single Mothers include divorced mothers or just heathen slag puppies like Miki Ando?

Single mothers are usually divorced. Out of wedlock single moms are usually left to hang on benefits from what i heard from my ex's family. A few of their friends couldn't some funding for silly reasons. But this is nit from the horse's mouth... Just japgossip.

But Miki Ando is well off and doesn't need any of that shit. Quite sure she had her lawyers plan out her best options and what not.

[kurogane]

Gotcha.

So, sort of BOT: did anybody realise that Debito is also a published novelist? Apparently it's titled "In Appropriate", a tale of the woe and anguish suffered by a Great White Bwana who came to Japan only to find out the Japanese don't necessarily mean it when they flatter and swoon at the feet of the Great White Cultural Conquistador. So, autobiographical to an impressive degree. The title is a pun, you see. A play on the word "inappropriate", but he's spun it so that the preposition suggests a state of being rather than an admonition. I still don't have the slightest idea what it is supposed to mean, and cannot for the life of me figure out how it relates to the story. Sounds like masturbatory gibberish, but that only adds to the charm.

[wangta]

Maybe the Z-K storey originated from when the Yamato boys first drifted East – across the East Sea, and washed up on the shores of Japan. That would make Taka`s statement true…, unless of course there are other nationalities included.

Heeheee. Very clever. I do love that old ruse. BTW, it's still called the Sea of Japan.

I have heard enough of Koseki/Juminhyo checking that it perhaps used to be truer than not, but the newer raft of Dowa laws were apparently quite effective. The real problem is that a given address is more than enough to suggest membership in an archaic caste if the reader knows that city. I can do it for Kyoto and I moved there when I was already 30. If you're from Takahara or Matsuno (not real examples, btw), everybody that cares know what your ancestors used to do for a living. One nice thing is the new crowd (under 40) seem to genuinely not give a shiite. I find the squishy relativism a touch cloying but they're moving forwards, one step at a time.

I didn't even work in Osaka or any decent J city - I would have taught kindie which I hate doing to have lived somewhere other than bumfuck areas of Japan. However, I know where the main buraku areas in Osaka are from visiting that city a few times and this was before I knew there is a museum supposedly in Osaka dedicated to the Buraku people and their struggles.

Most of the people in that revamped tourist area with the Bilikin statues, beef restaurants and mah jong places plus the old fashioned tower are from Buraku backgrounds. Good luck to them for making a better living now. Talking about the area near Dobutsuen Mae subway station. There are of course dodgy areas not far from that including very dimly lit shotengai with rundown stores and people who look at you like why the fuck are you here? Those areas have small lanes with cramped accommodation and people breaking into the 90 yen can vending machines.

Those places are kind of edgey but I always bought stuff from the locals which is probably why I never had any problems when I visited there. Kasumigai or whatever it's called is another notable Buraku area where the locals sometimes riot. But when you think about it, those areas are far less dangerous for non locals and foreigners than plenty of places in our own countries. I've known gaijin women who've walked unwittingly around the red light districts of Osaka not far from Nihon Bashi at night and have never been hassled, same as for the Buraku areas.

[Buraku]

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