Gov. Blinky Ishihara wants to buy the Senkaku Rocks

[Russell]

Just a continuation of the Sino-Indian War.

Funny thing is, many Chinese seem to consider their cuntry peaceful...

[IparryU]

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-chinese-troops-enter-25-km-deep-into-indian-territory-in-ladakh-2011745


China decides it owns India too.

Lot of borders keep PLA busy

China finds ancient literature stating that they crossed over to the Americas on frozen waters, now declares North America to be inhabited by the Chinese before westerners arrived...

All your base are belong to us.

[matsuki]

LOL, China out to make more friends going to be interesting when one of them decides they've had enough...

[Takechanpoo]

South uncivilized crocodile eaters aka aussie, which can make only beef, dig iron mountain and wash their fat bodies only 1 or 2 times a week but somehow pretend to be 1st world nation by their stone age brain, should learn how to behave properly toward real 1st world Japan if they want to buy our sophisticated submarine.

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The Australian Industry Group has raised concerns at reports the Federal Government will buy submarines from Japan rather than building them in Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-09/i ... ts/5729052

[Russell]

Yep, those Japanese subs are said to be really silent.

[Samurai_Jerk]

More than half of Chinese see war with Japan: poll

More than half of Chinese people think their country could go to war with Japan in the future, a new poll revealed Wednesday, after two years of intense diplomatic squabbles.

A survey conducted in both nations found that 53.4 percent of Chinese envisage a future conflict, with more than a fifth of those saying it would happen "within a few years", while 29 percent of Japanese can see military confrontation.

[wagyl]

Add that to the reasons not to naturalise.

[Russell]

Add that to the reasons not to naturalise.

But it depends.

If you want to become soldier in a futile war*, then there are strong reasons to naturalize...



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* Are there any wars that are not futile?

[Samurai_Jerk]

http://news.yahoo.com/asia-arms-counter-growing-chinese-might-061418066.html

Vietnam has nearly doubled its military spending, Japan is requesting its biggest-ever defense budget and the Philippines is rushing to piece together a viable navy.

Several Asian nations are arming up, their wary eyes fixed squarely on one country: a resurgent China that's boldly asserting its territorial claims all along the East Asian coast.

The scramble to spend more defense dollars comes amid spats with China over contested reefs and waters. Other Asian countries such as India and South Korea are quickly modernizing their forces, although their disputes with China have stayed largely at the diplomatic level.

[Russell]

Action = Reaction.

Newton already knew that...

[wagyl]

Action = Reaction.

Newton already knew that...

Another Newton quote:

I can calculate the movement of the stars, but not the madness of men.

I was going to post a recent article about China being on the brink of an unmanaged bubble bursting like that in Japan 25 years ago, which raises questions about the ability to build militarily, but a quick Google search showed similar articles almost every week for the last six months, so it is just slow-moving speculation: blast a scattergun of predictions, then crow about the ones which come true.

Also, military adventures are a recognised way to pump prime the economy, so the news/speculation could go either way anyway.

[IparryU]

How come a manga manis more intelligent than politicians?

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/09/17/miyazaki-speaks-out-about-his-political-views-and-japanese-politics/

Miyazaki speaks out about his political views and Japanese politics
...
Right now, when their statements turn out to be controversial, politicians evade them, saying that they did not mean it. I am appalled to see high-ranking government officials and politicians who do not have historical consciousness and firm opinions. Those who are short of thought should not change the Constitution. They determinepolicies without any real study of the issues, but rather with spontaneous ideas or by listening to people who say superficial things.

[matsuki]

Miyazaki for prime minister 2015??

[IparryU]

Miyazaki for prime minister 2015??

I would vote for him IF I could.

[Russell]

Japan Caves to China on Senkaku Island Dispute

In order to secure a meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, Japanese Premier Shinzo Abe agreed to a significant concession in Tokyo’s ongoing dispute with China over the Senkaku Islands, according to Japanese media outlets.

As Shannon noted earlier today on China Power, Japanese officials now expect there to be a brief meeting between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Japanese Premier Shinzo Abe during next month’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) meeting in Beijing. The meeting would be the first between the two heads of state since they took their current positions. It comes after a prolonged Japanese charm offensive towards China, which resulted in extensive behind-the-scenes negotiations aimed at securing a heads of state meeting at APEC.

The meeting, which Japanese officials acknowledged would be more symbolic than substantive, did not come cheaply for Japan. Indeed, if Japanese media reports are accurate, Tokyo appears to have caved on the major issue that prevented a heads-of-state meeting to date.

On Thursday, Mainichi reported that Japan made a three-prong proposal to China in order to secure the meeting between the two heads of states next month. According to the report, which cited “Japanese government sources,” Japan proposed that during his meeting with Xi, Abe would first reassert that the Senkaku Islands are an inherent part of Japanese territory, but then “acknowledge that China has a case as well” to the islands. He would then propose that China and Japan seek to settle the issue through mutual dialogue over time. None of this would be included in a joint statement or any other documents officially released after the summit meeting.

Still, if the report is accurate, Abe’s acknowledgement that a territorial dispute exists and proposal to settle the issue through mutual dialogue represent huge concessions to long-standing Chinese demands.

The Japanese government has always refused to acknowledge that a territorial dispute even exists with China over the Senkaku Islands, which Beijing refers to as the Diaoyu Islands. “There exists no issue of territorial sovereignty to be resolved concerning the Senkaku Islands,” Japan has said on numerous occasions.

China’s main precondition for agreeing to a heads of state meeting between President Xi and Prime Minister Abe has long been Japan’s acknowledgement that the territorial dispute exists. As Kyodo reported in June 2013, “Even after the change of government last December with the inauguration of the administration of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, China has continued to call for Japan to acknowledge that a territorial dispute exists as a precondition for holding a summit.” That same report noted that Japan had refused to do this, and thus that a leadership summit appeared unlikely for the foreseeable future.

The two sides also publicly fought over the issue during the UN General Assembly meeting in September of last year. First, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said at a think tank speech before the UNGA opened that China was willing to reopen dialogue with Japan, but first “Japan needs to recognize that there is such a dispute. The whole world knows that there is a dispute.”

Prime Minister Abe appeared to respond to Wang in a press conference following his appearance at the UN summit. “Senkaku is an inherent part of the territory of Japan in light of historical facts and based upon international law, and the islands are under the valid control of Japan,” Abe said at the press conference. While Tokyo would not escalate the situation and wanted to open dialogue with China to avoid an armed conflict, Abe insisted that “Japan would not make a concession on our territorial sovereignty.”

Some in China are already taking the concession as a sign of Japanese weakness. Specifically, the Global Times quoted Yang Bojiang, director of Japanese studies at the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, as saying: “Abe is under economic pressure to resume talks with China and advance the bilateral relationship, so he has to show the world his willingness to talk.”

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Wondering what the deeper issues are here...

[matsuki]

Wondering what the deeper issues are here...

Shitty J-economy that has enough of a dependence on China that it needs to humor the situation?

[Russell]

Wondering what the deeper issues are here...

Shitty J-economy that has enough of a dependence on China that it needs to humor the situation?

That's what we are being told.

But isn't it just an order from the US to show a bit more flexibility?

[IparryU]

Wondering what the deeper issues are here...

Shitty J-economy that has enough of a dependence on China that it needs to humor the situation?

That's what we are being told.

But isn't it just an order from the US to show a bit more flexibility?

If it is, it is all just for "show". Either way, Japan isn't going to give up those rocks. Chasing the dragon on this one China.

[matsuki]

Wondering what the deeper issues are here...

Shitty J-economy that has enough of a dependence on China that it needs to humor the situation?

That's what we are being told.

But isn't it just an order from the US to show a bit more flexibility?

Even in that case, it's Japan's reliance on the US...which is reliant on China. Either way, the moral here is even if your neighbor is as scummy as China is, you have to show you're willing to be cooperative. (even when their claims are ridiculous)

[IparryU]

Some fucking great news...

http://www.japantoday.com/category/poli ... m-politics

Ishihara retires from politics
Irascible former Tokyo Gov Shintaro Ishihara, who has made a decades-long career out of baiting China and offending Japan’s liberals, announced his retirement from political life Tuesday.

The 82-year-old, whose Party for Future Generations was almost wiped out in Sunday’s general election, told reporters he would not be seeking office again.

“I have worked in politics for more than 50 years, but I have decided to retire after the results of the latest poll,” he said.

Ishihara, a former novelist, was a popular four-term governor of the Japanese capital who rarely shied away from proffering an opinion on everything from homosexuality to the wastefulness of vending machines.

As governor in 2012, he raised cash to purchase the uninhabited Senkaku islands, which China claims as the Diaoyus, and planned to develop them with the express purpose of reinforcing Japan’s sovereignty.

The move pushed the Japanese government into nationalising them in what ministers said was an effort to head off fall out from the inflammatory purchase.

But China reacted furiously and relations went into a tailspin from which they are only now beginning to recover.

The renewed friction was a delight to Ishihara, who has never made a secret of his dislike of China, a country he refers to by its pre-war name “Shina”, which is offensive to the Chinese.

Ishihara stood for parliament in the 2012 general election, gathering a motley crew of nationalists that eventually joined forces with a party started by fellow arch conservative Toru Hashimoto.

However, their short-lived union was not robust enough to contain the two super-sized egos, and they split in May.

Ishihara went on to form the Party for Future Generations with several of his loyal lieutenants, all in their 70s.

The octogenarian on Tuesday blamed the party’s name for its drubbing in Sunday’s election, when its previous tally of 19 seats was reduced to just two.

“The naming required some explanation for people to understand. I had expressed objections,” he said. “It was problematic as a name for a political party.”

An ardent advocate of revising the constitution, Ishihara said his one regret in leaving politics was that not one word of the constitution has been changed

Ishihara said in his retirement he would focus on supporting young artists and spend time sailing.

[Russell]

Ishihara said in his retirement he would focus on supporting young artists and spend time sailing.

Let me guess on the destination of his sailing trips: a bunch of rocks.

Or he probably does not have the guts to try that...

[matsuki]

The octogenarian on Tuesday blamed the party’s name for its drubbing in Sunday’s election, when its previous tally of 19 seats was reduced to just two.

“The naming required some explanation for people to understand. I had expressed objections,” he said. “It was problematic as a name for a political party.”

it was the name...yeah

[Russell]

The octogenarian on Tuesday blamed the party’s name for its drubbing in Sunday’s election, when its previous tally of 19 seats was reduced to just two.

“The naming required some explanation for people to understand. I had expressed objections,” he said. “It was problematic as a name for a political party.”

it was the name...yeah

Well, if you try to get votes from the previous generation, it is indeed not an ideal name...

[Taro Toporific]

Japan to take foreign reporters on 10-day isle dispute junket (2013)
...Shimane Prefecture, which lays claim to Dokdo, the South Korea-controlled islets called Takeshima by Japan.

Did everybody enjoy their "Takeshima Day" today?

S. Korea protests Japanese isle ceremony as 'provocation'
mainichi.jp | 2015feb22
SEOUL (Kyodo) -- South Korea on Sunday protested the Japanese government's sending of a high-level official to represent it at an annual ceremony held in western Japan to press Tokyo's claim to a pair of South Korean-controlled islets, issuing a statement condemning the move as a "provocation" and calling it "extremely deplorable."
Noting that it was the third consecutive year for Tokyo to send a high-level representative to attend the annual ceremony, held earlier Sunday in Shimane Prefecture, the Foreign Ministry accused Japan of repeating its "regressive behavior" of denying its history of imperialism and invasion of the Korean Peninsula.
The Japanese government sent Yohei Matsumoto, a Cabinet Office parliamentary secretary, to the 10th such event in Matsue, the capital of Shimane, whose prefectural government designated Feb. 22 as "Takeshima Day" in 2005.
At the ceremony, Matsumoto declared that Takeshima, as the islets are known to Japanese, is "an inherent part of Japan's territory under international law."
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[matsuki]

At the ceremony, Matsumoto declared that Takeshima, as the islets are known to Japanese, is "an inherent part of Japan's territory under international law."
More...

http://islandstudies.oprf-info.org/research/a00014/

6. Conclusion
The 1905 territorial incorporation of Takeshima is based on “occupation,” according to the text of the Japanese cabinet decision. Takeshima was not the territory of any other country; Japan intended to possess the island and the intent was demonstrated; and Japan actually occupied it. That is, all of the requirements necessary for occupation were fulfilled. After the cabinet decision, Japan peacefully and continually exercised powers of administration directly connected with the island, such as regulating the fishing industry around Takeshima and charging usage fees for it as state-owned land. This constitutes territorial title by effective control or display of state authority.
In the seventeenth century, the families Oya and Murakawa of Yonago sailed to Ulleungdo (which Japan then called “Takeshima”) with the permission of the shogunate government to collect abalone. The island known today as Takeshima (then called “Matsushima”) lies directly on the path from Yonago to Ulleungdo via the Oki Islands, and was used as a stopover and fishing location. According to Oya family documents, they also formally traveled to “Matsushima” (today’s Takeshima) starting in 1661, with authorization from the government. [42]
In 1693, Japanese and Korean civilians clashed over fishing activities in Ulleungdo, and as a result of diplomatic negotiations, in 1696 the shogunate banned travel to Ulleungdo by the Oya and Murakawa families. However, the island today known as Takeshima was not subject to diplomatic talks at that time. [43] As international law had no application to Japan before the opening of the country to foreign intercourse, it can be considered that Japan has sufficient grounds for possession of the territory if Japan regarded and treated it as her own territory and if this was not disputed by any other country. [44] At the time, Korea had no knowledge of the island known today as Takeshima (see section 4 above).
When we conclude from the above that Takeshima was historically Japanese territory, the relationship with the 1905 cabinet decision on territorial incorporation being based on occupation may be questioned. This will be explained in the following way. Although Japan did have possession of the island in the seventeenth century, activity on and around the island known today as Takeshima was curtailed from 1696 (the order banning travel to Ulleungdo) onward. [45] Therefore, there was a possibility that if at a later date some other country performed an act of taking possession of this island with the intent to claim it, then that country’s claim based on effective control might prevail over Japan’s historical claim. By incorporating the island in accordance with the territorial acquisition methods of modern international law Japan’s sovereignty over Takeshima became conclusive.

[Takechanpoo]

woman version of debito

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Re “The shape of Japan to come” (Review, Jan. 17) by Alexis Dudden: Japan values the postwar international order, and its position on territory is firmly based on international law. This stance has been consistently held by all past administrations as well as the present one. To characterize the Japanese government’s territorial claims as “expansionist,” “revanchist” and examples of “revisionism” is completely baseless.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/opini ... laims.html

and this biachs psychopathic article
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/opini ... -come.html

[Russell]

woman version of debito

Dudden025.jpg

Re “The shape of Japan to come” (Review, Jan. 17) by Alexis Dudden: Japan values the postwar international order, and its position on territory is firmly based on international law. This stance has been consistently held by all past administrations as well as the present one. To characterize the Japanese government’s territorial claims as “expansionist,” “revanchist” and examples of “revisionism” is completely baseless.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/opini ... laims.html

and this biachs psychopathic article
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/opini ... -come.html

Takechan, I do not find her exactly the woman's version of Debito, but for a professor of history I find her surprisingly misinformed. At the very least she should get her facts right.

[matsuki]

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Mr Obama said the US-Japan security treaty covers all territories under Tokyo's administration, including islands in the East China Sea which Beijing also claims.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32497498

[Takechanpoo]

U.S. experts urged Japan, Monday, to end its territorial claims on the islet of Dokdo and compensate victims of wartime sexual slavery who suffered under Japanese Imperial rule during World War II, to improve icy Korea-Japan relations.

"We call upon Japan to give up its claims on Dokdo, and we call for payments from the Japanese government to comfort women," Brad Glosserman, executive director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) said during a seminar in Washington D.C. hosted by the Asan Institute. "On South Korea's part, it should formally accept the Japanese offers."

Glosserman and Scott Snyder, senior fellows for Korea studies at the Council on Foreign Relations presented ideas for creating a forward-looking relationship, naming them a "Grand Bargain" solution.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/n ... 79198.html
are you kidding?
grand bargain?
guys request only japan to bargain... completely illegal occupation of takeshima, the compensation is already finished a long time ago...

it means if you bullshit, bullshit loudly as much as possible and then you can accomplish the bullshits? ah? eh?
as long as there are this kind of bullshiters, Abe, the king of netouyo, will become more and more prosperous.

[wuchan]

U.S. experts urged Japan, Monday, to end its territorial claims on the islet of Dokdo and compensate victims of wartime sexual slavery who suffered under Japanese Imperial rule during World War II, to improve icy Korea-Japan relations.

"We call upon Japan to give up its claims on Dokdo, and we call for payments from the Japanese government to comfort women," Brad Glosserman, executive director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) said during a seminar in Washington D.C. hosted by the Asan Institute. "On South Korea's part, it should formally accept the Japanese offers."

Glosserman and Scott Snyder, senior fellows for Korea studies at the Council on Foreign Relations presented ideas for creating a forward-looking relationship, naming them a "Grand Bargain" solution.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/n ... 79198.html
are you kidding?
grand bargain?
guys request only japan to bargain... completely illegal occupation of takeshima, the compensation is already finished a long time ago...

it means if you bullshit, bullshit loudly as much as possible and then you can accomplish the bullshits? ah? eh?
as long as there are this kind of bullshiters, Abe, the king of netouyo, will become more and more prosperous.

You missed a few things.....

The treaty should include Japan's declaration of its support for ROK-U.S. relations, and Korea's recognition of Japan's legitimate role in maintaining regional security, the experts said.

worst korea will never allow Japan to be a leader in a military role.

For Fiscal Year 2013, CSIS had an operating revenue of US $32.3 million

in the real world that number isn't even a charity.




If you could read at a US Junior high level (which is very low compared to other English speaking countries) you would realize that that whole article basically says the two sides, J and K, are too proud/stupid to agree on anything and the entire region's security suffers due to said pride/stupidity.








Cliff note version: news thing called Korea AND Japan dumb.




In real life: If the US pulled out of both countries they would be equally fucked for the four months that it would take Mitsubishi to build a nuke.