Hashimoto: no sex slaves please, we're Japanese

[Wage Slave]

Hmmm. It is also said by some that there was a sadistic element to the Japanese Imperial Army's adventures which aggravated their crimes. Personally, I just don't know how you reasonably judge which was worse. OK, so there wasn't a cold, industrial attempt to wipe out certain populations but on the other hand there were any number of massacres and deaths through starvation, overwork and disease. Beheadings, summary executions and the use of prisoners and civilians for bayonet practice were were common as was torture and it was all carried out with a certain relish according to contemporary accounts. And certainly whether it was in China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia or anywhere else - it didn't pay to be Chinese.

[Russell]

Hmmm. It is also said by some that there was a sadistic element to the Japanese Imperial Army's adventures which aggravated their crimes. Personally, I just don't know how you reasonably judge which was worse. OK, so there wasn't a cold, industrial attempt to wipe out certain populations but on the other hand there were any number of massacres and deaths through starvation, overwork and disease. Beheadings, summary executions and the use of prisoners and civilians for bayonet practice were were common as was torture and it was all carried out with a certain relish according to contemporary accounts. And certainly whether it was in China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia or anywhere else - it didn't pay to be Chinese.

When I was a student I had a professor who was originally from Indonesia and had been forced to work on the Burma railway. Suffices it to say that he was not very positive on his experiences, to use an understatement. At least he survived.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Hmmm. It is also said by some that there was a sadistic element to the Japanese Imperial Army's adventures which aggravated their crimes. Personally, I just don't know how you reasonably judge which was worse. OK, so there wasn't a cold, industrial attempt to wipe out certain populations but on the other hand there were any number of massacres and deaths through starvation, overwork and disease. Beheadings, summary executions and the use of prisoners and civilians for bayonet practice were were common as was torture and it was all carried out with a certain relish according to contemporary accounts. And certainly whether it was in China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia or anywhere else - it didn't pay to be Chinese.

It's always hard to compare these things. It's like asking if collateral damage is worse than purposefully targeting civilians. I would say that on a micro level one is just as bad as the other but on a macro level there is something worse about trying to wipe a group of people off the face of the earth. Look at the reaction people are currently having to IS. There has been death and destruction in that part of the world for years. However, there's a gut reaction to their efforts to exterminate the Yazidis for example that goes deeper than the general mayhem of war.

[Russell]

LDP panel explores ways to convey Japan’s views on sex slave issue

A special Liberal Democratic Party committee on Thursday discussed ways to better convey Japan’s views on wartime historical issues to counter a public relations blitz by South Korea.

During the sixth gathering of the Special Mission Committee to Restore the Honor and Trust of Japan, chaired by Hirofumi Nakasone, some members said a carefully crafted strategic plan is needed to gain the understanding of the international community when it comes to the issue of “comfort women,” a euphemism for those who were forced to work in Japanese wartime military brothels.

In the discussions on how the forced prostitution issue is portrayed in school textbooks overseas, a Foreign Ministry official told the committee that textbooks by one publisher in Germany and three in the United States contain depictions of comfort women.

Although most of the textbooks do not explore the issue in depth, the government needs to look at them carefully and determine whether they merit an official response, Masahiko Shibayama, a Lower House member who serves as a secretariat of the committee, told reporters after the meeting.

Officials from the Foreign Ministry and Justice Ministry attended the meeting to answer members’ questions.

Shibayama also said the government must deal with such issues, which could damage Japan’s national interests, while avoiding the appearance of “historical revisionism.”

During the hour-long meeting, they also studied past lawsuits and rulings in other countries related to the issue.

The committee, launched last October by right-wing LDP members, including party policy chief Tomomi Inada, plans to compile and submit its recommendations to the administration as early as this month.

It also plans to draw up a recommendation to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe about his expected statement on the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II, which will be closely watched by Beijing and Seoul.

Earlier this year, Abe and LDP lawmakers criticized a U.S. history textbook published by McGraw-Hill that included sentences such as: “The Japanese Army forcibly recruited, conscripted and dragooned as many as 200,000 women aged 14 to 20 to serve in military brothels.”

Japanese mainstream historians say it is impossible to determine the exact number of comfort women. But Yoshiaki Yoshimi, a leading historian on the issue, estimates there were at least 50,000.

The Foreign Ministry told the Japanese Consulate in New York last year to ask McGraw-Hill to revise the world history textbook.

Link

LOL, looking forward to see what they'll come up with.

Reading FG, perhaps?

[Coligny]

Another moment of great embarrasment coming...

[Yokohammer]

LDP panel explores ways to convey Japan’s views on sex slave issue

LOL, looking forward to see what they'll come up with.

Reading FG, perhaps?

Because trying to come up with a better excuse is always better than simply facing the truth. Apparently.

I suppose it hasn't occurred to this "panel" that the very existence of said panel diminishes the nation's status considerably, in much the same way that sending a goon squad to try and coerce publishers to change their textbooks does.

[Takechanpoo]

if imperial japans comfort whores issue is portrayed, "forced" prostitution's brothels on independent korea of korean war and ones on japan occupied by macather's usa, which were managed by very the same system with imperial japans ones, should also be portrayed in their textbooks.

why the fuk only imperial japans one is portrayed and emphasized? why does international society let such an unfairness go on?
they are strongest victims which is woman, dying grannies and would-be raped one. nobody can socially be allowed to criticize and verify their inconsistent testimonies. and anybody who once criticize it are labelled as right winger unconditionally. so to speak, they are korean ultimate weapon to politically pin japan down forever.
but this kind of way never can put j-side into silence. i cannot see verified logic and evidence anywhere.

[Samurai_Jerk]

why the fuk only imperial japans one is portrayed and emphasized?

Because you lost. When you lose you have to eat shit.

[matsuki]

so to speak, they are korean ultimate weapon to politically pin japan down forever.

Do you really fail to see that it's all this red herring focus on numbers, specific specifics, and denials on this issue (that should have been put to rest decades ago) that are what is actually "pinning Japan down?"

[wangta]

if imperial japans comfort whores issue is portrayed, "forced" prostitution's brothels on independent korea of korean war and ones on japan occupied by macather's usa, which were managed by very the same system with imperial japans ones, should also be portrayed in their textbooks.

why the fuk only imperial japans one is portrayed and emphasized? why does international society let such an unfairness go on?
they are strongest victims which is woman, dying grannies and would-be raped one. nobody can socially be allowed to criticize and verify their inconsistent testimonies. and anybody who once criticize it are labelled as right winger unconditionally. so to speak, they are korean ultimate weapon to politically pin japan down forever.
but this kind of way never can put j-side into silence. i cannot see verified logic and evidence anywhere.

Yes women are forced into prostitution in wartime at all times in history and all over the world.

I also think Korea needs to do some self-criticism about the comfort women issue instead of hiding behind the excuse 'We were colonised by Japan, we are the victims so we cannot possibly be war criminals or be responsible for rounding up/encouraging our own Korean women into sex slavery.' While Korean collaborators both military and civilian did their share of helping Imperial Japan's large-scale brothels' organisation, the focus is on Japan as the comfort women issue is just one of multiple and well documented war crimes committed by the Japanese military, Government authorities, and others.

The comfort women issue can't be separated from the large-scale crimes of Imperial Japan. These include widespread massacres, torture, death marches, death camps, and terminal forced labour - with civilians as deliberate targets as well as the opposing sides' forces. A 21st century study (2002) by a Chinese, an American and 2 Japanese historians concluded that about 10 million Chinese in Manchuria were forced into punishing labour and those who became sick were often thrown into the mass graves of those who died outright doing this 'work'.

Chinese were often the target of Unit 731 and the other victims included Russians and Koreans. Vivisection with no anaesthetic was a particular speciality of the vile Unit 731 members. Japanese brutality against the defeated is well documented and it was officially encouraged against civilians as well as POWs. Nobody is excusing acts of brutality on the other side but Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan quite rightly have gone down in history as deliberate, unapologetic and even exultant perpetrators of war crimes as 'normal' practice.

The only real dissimilarity was that Imperial Japan did not persecute the Jewish people. A Japanese politicians whose name I forget informed his Nazi counterpart that Japan would not take action against Jewish people and of course there was the heroic diplomat Sugimoto who saved Jewish lives. On the topic of Germans, you need to read about "The Good German of Nanking" who observed and documented the savage campaign of torture and slaughter unleashed on the non Japanese population of Nanjing.

It seems a lot of Japanese politicans, NHK board members and others denying Japan's war crimes or similarity to Nazi Germany need to read books like that. Instead some of them still make disgusting denials and cite no proof 'proof' such as the J historicunt whose miserable name I forget who declared that the Japanese Army could not possibly have unleashed the barbarity on Nanjing because the soldiers' diaries say they were doing mundane duties. Yeah, right.

[kurogane]

Do you really fail to see that it's all this red herring focus on numbers, specific specifics, and denials on this issue (that should have been put to rest decades ago) that are what is actually "pinning Japan down?"

As a sock puppet spokesman for that ilk, I would say that is the most accurate aspect of his often rather lazy portrayal. People like that honestly believe that niggling quibbling over irrelevant details actually undermines the broader argument or issue in toto. We used to call it the Rainman Tack. Japanese academia is rife with that type, so it there is obviously deep roots to it somewhere.

And as for that recurring question of whether or not this ilk understands they are harming Japan's image by hammering on like this, the answer is No! No! NO!!!!!!!!! They sincerely believe their actions will repair Japan's image and they will wail and bleat until they are blue in the face to repair the damage being done to Japan's Face. It doesn't really matter to them whether or not Japan actually did any of those heinous acts; what matters is that they are not emotionally compromised in their blind chauvinism. This isn't about truth and certainly not justice. It's about not having to doubt what one already knows by faith. That is how far apart people are on this crazy ass issue.

[Wage Slave]

On form today Kuro. Yes, Yes and thrice Yes.

[Takechanpoo]

so you gaijin guys, especially american ones, pretend not to see something and pass on japaese sex slaves serving US military and 30000 rape incident only for 7 years in the occupation period of japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreation ... ssociation
good. its very good. its so-called "dont wake up a sleeping child".

[kurogane]

YOU STARTED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DID 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It really is like talking to monkeys about space travel.

PS The issue has reached Michael J. Fox's Home Cuntry
http://nadesiko-action.org/?page_id=7927

[Wage Slave]

Why is it appropriate to put up statues in Canadian parks? I'm all for art for art's sake in public places but this isn't that. I could see why Canadians might want to place memorial statues for the number of men they lost in the World Wars but I can't see why anyone in Canada would think it appropriate to erect memorial statues for wartime sex slaves who were not, as far we know, Canadian.

[kurogane]

I totally agree with you there. I assume it's just slavish politicos sucking up to the squeakiest wheel. I actually found parts of the appeal strangely convincing from a disgustingly Japanese perspective (the disturbing of inter-ethnic harmony and the loss of face for the Japanese community). I just found it so timely I thought I'd throw it in.

Sadly, you and I both know they aren't opposed to it mostly because it's inappropriate. And this Nadeshiko.org thing is really starting to get up my nose. I think it's time to rename them Abe's Comfort Women (or just Abe's Whores) and have a go. I wish I hadn't lost my alternate Facebook ID.

By the way, the correct answer to your initial question is: Cat Ladies

Fat White Cat Ladies

[Wage Slave]

I see. Cat ladies, eh. Maybe they could be persuaded to put up a nice statue of a cat then. It is nuts though - If everyone gets the funding, or even permission, to put up a statue to memorialise every bad thing that has ever happened in the entire world then there will be more statues in the parks than people. Nip it in the bud I say.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Why is it appropriate to put up statues in Canadian parks? I'm all for art for art's sake in public places but this isn't that. I could see why Canadians might want to place memorial statues for the number of men they lost in the World Wars but I can't see why anyone in Canada would think it appropriate to erect memorial statues for wartime sex slaves who were not, as far we know, Canadian.

There's lots of gooks in Canada.

[Wage Slave]

Why is it appropriate to put up statues in Canadian parks? I'm all for art for art's sake in public places but this isn't that. I could see why Canadians might want to place memorial statues for the number of men they lost in the World Wars but I can't see why anyone in Canada would think it appropriate to erect memorial statues for wartime sex slaves who were not, as far we know, Canadian.

There's lots of gooks in Canada.

I thought gooks were Vietnamese - they were in Brisbane. Anyway, at the time they weren't in Canada, or very few of them were. If the Korean embassy wants to put up a statue in its garden, fine. If Koreans want to put one in their gardens, fine. But in a public park? No way - nip it in the bud I say. It will only spiral out of control - there have been just too many terrible things happen in the world - where will it end?

edit to add:

I see gook predates the Korean war by a long stretch and its most modern usage was indeed for NVA fighters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gook

Ugly word. Up there with boong and wog.

[Takechanpoo]

nah, gook and chink is a general term indicating all mongoloid ppl with yellow skin, black straight hair, big head, narrow shoulder, long torso, short legs, tiny dick and slanted eyes.

[Wage Slave]

Thank you for that Mr T - The gleeful broadcaster of any and all racist bilge. Quite made my day.

[matsuki]

big head, narrow shoulder, long torso, short legs, tiny dick and slanted eyes.

[kurogane]

Serious morning health chuckles. Thanks to all. More as it unfolds.

WS,
Yup.Well said. I will actually write the mayor and let him know that I think it inappropriate, and that Nadeshiko Org are historical revisionists working as the smiling face of Herr Abe.

Nadeshiko Org ...........where a smiling face conceals a black heart.

[wagyl]

Nip

Racist

[Takechanpoo]

and that Nadeshiko Org are historical revisionists working as the smiling face of Herr Abe.

Nadeshiko Org ...........where a smiling face conceals a black heart.

why the fuk do you think so?
i think they just created that website on the viewpoint of ordinary citizen.
suspect yourself before ordinary japanese citizens, you bitch.

[Coligny]

and that Nadeshiko Org are historical revisionists working as the smiling face of Herr Abe.

Nadeshiko Org ...........where a smiling face conceals a black heart.

why the fuk do you think so?
i think they just created that website on the viewpoint of ordinary citizen.
suspect yourself before ordinary japanese citizens, you bitch.

You mean those ordinary citizens ?

http://mashable.com/2015/03/14/japan-internet-cafe/

To busy lining up for their daily allowance of soylent yellow to care aboot nazionalistic bullshit...

[Takechanpoo]

main layer of so-called netouyo is housewives and retired dotards

[matsuki]

main layer of so-called netouyo is housewives and retired dotards

Obviously the two pillars of Japanese society...

[Salty]

if imperial japans comfort whores issue is portrayed, "forced" prostitution's brothels on independent korea of korean war and ones on japan occupied by macather's usa, which were managed by very the same system with imperial japans ones, should also be portrayed in their textbooks.

why the fuk only imperial japans one is portrayed and emphasized? why does international society let such an unfairness go on?
they are strongest victims which is woman, dying grannies and would-be raped one. nobody can socially be allowed to criticize and verify their inconsistent testimonies. and anybody who once criticize it are labelled as right winger unconditionally. so to speak, they are korean ultimate weapon to politically pin japan down forever.
but this kind of way never can put j-side into silence. i cannot see verified logic and evidence anywhere.

Take - I do believe that you have nailed it, and suggest that if you have not already done so - that you send this to that LDP panel. I am sure that they will find it to be quite valuable and become the very basis of their stance on comfort women.

[Salty]

so you gaijin guys, especially american ones, pretend not to see something and pass on japaese sex slaves serving US military and 30000 rape incident only for 7 years in the occupation period of japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreation ... ssociation
good. its very good. its so-called "dont wake up a sleeping child".

Take - I enjoyed reading from that link - honest, I did. But it seems that it also puts the lie to the oft suggested rebuttal that the Japanese military/government didn`t contribute to the forecible `employment` of women into Japans wartime comfort station program. As after all, that is exactly what this article says that they did for the GIs.

Also - I didn`t find the 30,000 rapes (I did see 40/330 per day sexual violence) - and wonder if you have a link for something supporting that number.