Liar liar...

[legion]

Meiji may offer my son a spot through his rugby. Estimated at 14 million over 4 years and he can't even choose his major. But it is Meiji. Teikyo are also chasing him and they offer a full ride. But it is Teikyo. Fucked if I know how I'll be able to afford Meiji if he gets in. When he's riding the gravy train he better remember his old man.

He should go for the full ride.

Me: We should go and see what Teikyo have to say at least.
Missus: Meiji
Me: A full ride is like free money.
Missus: Meiji
Me: And Teikyo's rugby program is much stronger
Missus: Meiji
Me: ................................

To be fair you can replace the missus with any Japanese over the age of 40 and the conversation will be the same.

No disrespect to your son, sportsmen are often quick & active thinkers, but I've had to work with people who got into good unis on non academic options. I've seen these people get preferential treatment, then fail to deliver anything significant in return.

I guess the honest path for the rugby player is to graduate and then join a major company with its own team. Problem is what do they do when they get past 30.

Having said all that, your wife is right, Teikyo on a rugby scholarship should be a red flag, just tell her she has to bankroll it.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Having said all that, your wife is right, Teikyo on a rugby scholarship should be a red flag, just tell her she has to bankroll it.

Yeah, it's much better idea for his son to graduate with hundreds of millions of yen in student loan debt.

[Russell]

Having said all that, your wife is right, Teikyo on a rugby scholarship should be a red flag, just tell her she has to bankroll it.

Yeah, it's much better idea for his son to graduate with hundreds of millions of yen in student loan debt.

I think the important thing is, what will his son's earning power be after graduating?

What will be the difference in this respect between the two universities?

[Coligny]

No disrespect to your son, sportsmen are often quick & active thinkers, but I've had to work with people who got into good unis on non academic options. I've seen these people get preferential treatment, then fail to deliver anything significant in return.

I guess the honest path for the rugby player is to graduate and then join a major company with its own team. Problem is what do they do when they get past 30.
.

who the fuck cares.... Free lunch is free lunch...

ROE: Be nice to others but yourself first.

shit and i was not even planning to be pissed of this evening

[inflames]

Meiji may offer my son a spot through his rugby. Estimated at 14 million over 4 years and he can't even choose his major. But it is Meiji. Teikyo are also chasing him and they offer a full ride. But it is Teikyo. Fucked if I know how I'll be able to afford Meiji if he gets in. When he's riding the gravy train he better remember his old man.

14 million over 4 years? What does that include? Either that includes spending a ton on food, accommodation and spending money or I call BS. Even Meiji's page ( http://www.meiji.ac.jp/suito/2015/nofu.html ) has tuition being fairly normal. 14mln over 4 years is still less than a shit uni in the US though.

[legion]

No disrespect to your son, sportsmen are often quick & active thinkers, but I've had to work with people who got into good unis on non academic options. I've seen these people get preferential treatment, then fail to deliver anything significant in return.

I guess the honest path for the rugby player is to graduate and then join a major company with its own team. Problem is what do they do when they get past 30.
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So basically, since the son is probably a meathead whose only potential is to kick leather balloons he should say no to any opportunity that his ability opens to him out of fairness for all the potential self made geniuses out there.

But hey, no disrespect... Right... Just levelling by the bottom... At best...

Honest path... Have you checked lately on which planet you are living in ?

ROE: Be nice to others but yourself first.

shit and i was not even planning to be pissed of this evening

Read what I said, not what you want to think I said. I live and work in the real world.

Exactly how did your university education benefit your career?

Athletes are often smart, the combination of physical action and quick thinking means their neurons get more of a work out than than the person that sits in the library, or indeed, in front of the computer all day. Sportsmen a likely to be quicker decision makers as a result. However, getting preferential treatment on sporting ability lasts only as long as the ability, unless one makes a career in sport, and is smart enough to find a role off the pitch. Meiji is not offering a scholarship, they are offering entrance based on sporting ability, that distinction will follow the graduate through their career. It's a bit like attractive women, the doors open easily when they are young, the test is can they keep the momentum going past 30.

Teikyo is known as a baka daigaku. Meiji is much better. So given the option, Meiji is the better choice. But the parents are being fleeced.

For me the issue is how did the name value of the university gain more value than the quality of the graduate as an individual? Right now all we are seeing are identikit new grads in black suits, doesn't matter if they are Todai or Tonchinkan Daigaku, none of them want to stand out. I want my company to pay a 100,000 JPY bonus to the first new grad that shows up on their first day in something other than the regulation suit. The fucking kids even ask the HR department if they have to wear a suit in the creative department.

[Coligny]

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[Mock Cockpit]

Teikyo is known as a baka daigaku. Meiji is much better. So given the option, Meiji is the better choice. But the parents are being fleeced.

Succinct.

Of course if he's serious about playing rugby he has to make use of his second passport but he hasn't quite got his head around that idea yet. I'm working on it.

[legion]

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Sorry, how did your university education benefit your career, all those resources that were poured into your little head, how have they born fruit for the betterment of society?

[Coligny]

Let just say that being in an historian uni... i followed Twain's advice...

And never let schooling interfere with my education...

(blah blah...) all those resources that were poured into your little head, how have they born fruit for the betterment of society?

That's the cool thing with free edumacation, no string attached... I can become the next Saddam Hussein without having to feel remorse or guilt... I don't owe anything... Hence the keyword "free"

Everybody (well of the prev gen ) pays, everybody's kids have then access to the same openings following the same rules. And nobody get to lecture you "i paid for this, you owe to me/society/the flying pasketty monster..." It's almost communist like. Repartitions of ressources and all...

[Takechanpoo]

after AO entrance examination was introduced, not only teikyo but also meiji, keio and all the other private universities here became baka ones.
so if you cant get in national university here, better get in 専門学校 and become craftsman, not shitty salaryman
guarantee

[matsuki]

after AO entrance examination was introduced, not only teikyo but also meiji, keio and all the other private universities here became baka ones.
so if you cant get in national university here, better get in 専門学校 and become craftsman, not shitty salaryman
guarantee

THIS

KEIO has some decent overseas prospects after graduation (J-companies) but have you thought of university overseas? No way in hell I want any of my spawn going to J-universities after seeing quite a few graduates get laughed out of interviews by HR departments.

[Samurai_Jerk]

KEIO has some decent overseas prospects after graduation (J-companies) but have you thought of university overseas? No way in hell I want any of my spawn going to J-universities after seeing quite a few graduates get laughed out of interviews by HR departments.

So you've been sitting in on HR interviews at major corporations?

[Coligny]

I don't understand but I'm almost certain it's mean...

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[inflames]

after AO entrance examination was introduced, not only teikyo but also meiji, keio and all the other private universities here became baka ones.
so if you cant get in national university here, better get in 専門学校 and become craftsman, not shitty salaryman
guarantee

THIS

KEIO has some decent overseas prospects after graduation (J-companies) but have you thought of university overseas? No way in hell I want any of my spawn going to J-universities after seeing quite a few graduates get laughed out of interviews by HR departments.

Having gone to unis both here and in the US and actually having taught at some here (and having friends teaching at unis back home) if you're talking about high level unis here vs overseas definitely go overseas, but if it's mid-level unis here vs overseas basically either is OK. The big difference is that people here just lack a creative spark to solving problems - they'll go with something they're familiar with, but most of them won't just come up with some random thing.

Tons of students at mid-level unis back home can't interview worth shit and come in poorly prepared for uni level work, which is very similar to unis here.

[legion]

That's the cool thing with free edumacation, no string attached... I can become the next Saddam Hussein without having to feel remorse or guilt... I don't owe anything... Hence the keyword "free"

Everybody (well of the prev gen ) pays, everybody's kids have then access to the same openings following the same rules. And nobody get to lecture you "i paid for this, you owe to me/society/the flying pasketty monster..." It's almost communist like. Repartitions of ressources and all...

Free as in paid for by the tax payer?

Obviously there are some big gaps in your education. How the world works being one of them.

[legion]

after AO entrance examination was introduced, not only teikyo but also meiji, keio and all the other private universities here became baka ones.
so if you cant get in national university here, better get in 専門学校 and become craftsman, not shitty salaryman
guarantee

yeah, I think I'll ask my kids to consider a practical course, or perhaps becoming a shokunin.

[Coligny]

That's the cool thing with free edumacation, no string attached... I can become the next Saddam Hussein without having to feel remorse or guilt... I don't owe anything... Hence the keyword "free"

Everybody (well of the prev gen ) pays, everybody's kids have then access to the same openings following the same rules. And nobody get to lecture you "i paid for this, you owe to me/society/the flying pasketty monster..." It's almost communist like. Repartitions of ressources and all...

Free as in paid for by the tax payer?

Obviously there are some big gaps in your education. How the world works being one of them.

Free... Is like victory... Or the glass of water... Free has to be paid, for a victory there have to be a defeat, for a glass half full someone will try to push the vision of it being half empty as a proper rebuttal... Playing this move, It's a bit like digging your own tomb ready to crumble under rotten argument.... Hence the undertaker picture...

Now, teach me the weurld sempai... Just hope it won't deviate as much as usual from the other version puked by everyone displaying that level of objectivity. Bad luck Plato's dead, he'd be shitting in a loo of gold with the royalties from his parable of the cave.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Free... Is like victory... Or the glass of water... Free has to be paid, for a victory there have to be a defeat, for a glass half full someone will try to push the vision of it being half empty as a proper rebuttal

You have a point there but this ....

That's the cool thing with free edumacation, no string attached... I can become the next Saddam Hussein without having to feel remorse or guilt... I don't owe anything... Hence the keyword "free"

.... makes no sense. That's not an intrinsic quality of "free" education. It could just as easily be argued that an education fully subsidized by tax payers mean you owe more to society than if your parents paid for it or you worked you way through school (for the record I'm not necessarily arguing that as I think that burdening students with massive debt or only giving the wealthy access to higher education is worse for society overall than subsidizing education and I'm not too concerned about the free rider problem). It's funny that you'd make that argument considering you claim to be a socialist.

[Coligny]

Maybe not intrinsic.

But a legal fact.

The owe-nance-ship (? Halp borked english) that you mention would be moral. So like unicorns... Talked aboot but rarely seen.

.. It could just as easily be argued that an education fully subsidized by tax payers mean you owe more to society than if your parents paid for it or you worked you way through school.

My parents, like all the members of the previous generation paid for it. As they are part of the society but I would prefer here the term of nation. The cost is shared and therefore diluted. On a common agreement. By ways of laws, made by elected officials. Like that shiny aircraft carrier, the railway network or trash pickup. That agreement was not made for/by the recipient of the education. But by his parents and their peers. We pay this, our potential spawns can have that. While the spawns can reap the benefits, he had no say and no bond or debt. End of the deal.

Nobody would say that an individual owe to the nation for the protection he was offered by the French navy or the Nuclear dissuasion forces. Many paid, many benefitted in case of potential theeat or not in case of lack of aggression
altogether. Same goes for education. It's a global program benefitting many at the same time, no raindrops can be individually blamed for the flood.

The fact that the current gen retirement fund is paid by the next gen work could also enter the debate. But it's not part of a necessity toward education funding. It's more... (A pyramidal scheme) a contract where, if you work and pay for the elders it is agreed that the youth will have the same duty toward you.

It's funny that you'd make that argument considering you claim to be a socialist.

I don't exactly see the link with private corporation ownership...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Maybe not intrinsic.

But a legal fact.

The owe-nance-ship (? Halp borked english) that you mention would be moral. So like unicorns... Talked aboot but rarely seen.

My parents, like all the members of the previous generation paid for it. As they are part of the society but I would prefer here the term of nation. The cost is shared and therefore diluted. On a common agreement. By ways of laws, made by elected officials. Like that shiny aircraft carrier, the railway network or trash pickup. That agreement was not made for/by the recipient of the education. But by his parents and their peers. We pay this, our potential spawns can have that. While the spawns can reap the benefits, he had no say and no bond or debt. End of the deal.

Nobody would say that an individual owe to the nation for the protection he was offered by the French navy or the Nuclear dissuasion forces. Many paid, many benefitted in case of potential theeat or not in case of lack of aggression
altogether. Same goes for education. It's a global program benefitting many at the same time, no raindrops can be individually blamed for the flood.

The fact that the current gen retirement fund is paid by the next gen work could also enter the debate. But it's not part of a necessity toward education funding. It's more... (A pyramidal scheme) a contract where, if you work and pay for the elders it is agreed that the youth will have the same duty toward you.

A lot of people do believe that one owes (or at least men do) their nation for the protection they receive which is why some countries have (or did have like France) conscription or tie subsidized education to other forms of public service. Interestingly enough the most openly right-wing-capitalist-darkie-and-poor-people hating guys I know are French. Anyway, the problem with the pyramid schemes for education, social security, etc. is we can't support them anymore with current birthrates. Unfortunately it's a problem that's no going to be solved without a complete paradigm shift or a major culling that triggers another baby boom.

I don't exactly see the link with private corporation ownership...

One of the arguments against socialism/communism is the free rider problem. I'm sure your answer would give conservatives and libertarians a hard on.

[Coligny]

Anyway, the problem with the pyramid schemes for education with current birthrates. Unfortunately it's a problem that's no going to be solved without a complete paradigm shift or a major culling that triggers another baby boom.

Ehmmm...that would be the one thing surviving the birthratepocalypse..

I don't exactly see the link with private corporation ownership...

One of the fallacy against socialism/communism is the free rider problem. I'm sure your answer would give conservatives and libertarians a hard on.

Saddam made a lot of business for the military industrial complexe... So yes... Defacto boner...
Unless there is a bizarro alterverse where the 1 percenters actually do work instead of just watching their capital grow while pretending to be Stakhanovists...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Anyway, the problem with the pyramid schemes for education with current birthrates. Unfortunately it's a problem that's no going to be solved without a complete paradigm shift or a major culling that triggers another baby boom.

Ehmmm...that would be the one thing surviving the birthratepocalypse..

By itself, yes. I was talking more about the whole package.

[legion]

Free... Is like victory... Or the glass of water... Free has to be paid, for a victory there have to be a defeat, for a glass half full someone will try to push the vision of it being half empty as a proper rebuttal... Playing this move, It's a bit like digging your own tomb ready to crumble under rotten argument.... Hence the undertaker picture...

Après moi le déluge

[Mike Oxlong]

after AO entrance examination was introduced, not only teikyo but also meiji, keio and all the other private universities here became baka ones.
so if you cant get in national university here, better get in 専門学校 and become craftsman, not shitty salaryman
guarantee

THIS

KEIO has some decent overseas prospects after graduation (J-companies) but have you thought of university overseas? No way in hell I want any of my spawn going to J-universities after seeing quite a few graduates get laughed out of interviews by HR departments.

Having gone to unis both here and in the US and actually having taught at some here (and having friends teaching at unis back home) if you're talking about high level unis here vs overseas definitely go overseas, but if it's mid-level unis here vs overseas basically either is OK. The big difference is that people here just lack a creative spark to solving problems - they'll go with something they're familiar with, but most of them won't just come up with some random thing.

Tons of students at mid-level unis back home can't interview worth shit and come in poorly prepared for uni level work, which is very similar to unis here.

China beats Japan in Asian university rankings

Chinese institutions outnumbered Japanese for the first time in the annual Times Higher Education Asia University Rankings, released on Thursday.

While the University of Tokyo retained its crown as the region’s best, Japan “has lost ground overall, taking 19 of the top 100 positions, down from 20 last year,” the rating body said.

“By contrast, mainland China has increased its presence in the prestigious league table, taking 21 places, up from 18 last year,” it said.

The result underlines China’s rapid growth over the last few decades, including its investment in the education sector.

It also emphasises the increasingly inward-looking trend some commentators see in Japan as fewer young people go abroad to study and as China overtakes it as the destination of choice for foreign students.

The rankings are based on 13 indicators, including the learning environment, volume and reputation of research, citations and international outlook.

South Korea came third in the rankings, with 13 universities, while Taiwan was fourth with 11 institutions.

Six universities from Hong Kong and one from Macau were in the top 100.

By institution, the National University of Singapore ranked second and the University of Hong Kong ranked third, the same spots from last year.

Tellingly, China’s top-ranked institutions gained ground, with Peking University taking fourth place and Tsinghua University fifth.

Japan’s second-best institution, Kyoto University, came ninth, and Tokyo Institute of Technology 15th, both down two notches from last year.

In contrast, China has made significant progress, with Sun Yat-sen University (42nd) securing a top 50 spot, rising 14 places, while Shanghai Jiao Tong University (39th) jumped eight notches.

There was no immediate comment from China’s two top-ranked universities.

The University of Tokyo declined to comment on the result, but its newly appointed president Makoto Gonokami told the ranking body he will develop new academic disciplines and promote cooperation between the state, industry and academia to reverse Japan’s decline.

“I want to make our institution a place where students and researchers can experience the excitement and joy imparted by knowledge gained, while conducting cutting-edge research,” he was quoted as saying.
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