AIDS DAY

[ramchop]

What can I say? Have people actually forgotten that one of the physiological purposes of a vagina is for sex while an arse is for waste removal, not sex? This is obvious to most people.....

Going by that logic you'll never place your member in the mouth of a woman (the "physiological purpose" of the mouth is for eating, talking, breathing).

I'm not a homophobe. I just find anuses icky!

[jez]

There is not necessarily any more 'ickiness' involved in sodomy than there is in vaginal sex. A clean person will not have any leftover faeces(sorry to the easily 'ickied' brigade), while most (non-pregnant) ladies will be pretty bloody at least once a month.

What can I say? Have people actually forgotten that one of the physiological purposes of a vagina is for sex while an arse is for waste removal, not sex? This is obvious to most people.....

I accept people do it, but I won't ever think it is 'natural', for straight or gay people, it is somewhat deviant behaviour.....But it doesn't even matter what I think, it is just my private opinion. It's not like I'm going to treat gay people negatively because of it-because it is their private life.

Now you have moved on from the original complaint I had against Ramchop. Perhaps you have trouble focusing...

[jez]

I'm not a homophobe. I just find anuses icky!

Then perhaps you should once more check your original post on this particular subject.

Unless of course you're talking a man to man encounter (ick!, yes it's a un-PC "ick!" but I just can't help it).

The italics are mine-Jez

[ramchop]

I'm not a homophobe. I just find anuses icky!

Then perhaps you should once more check your original post on this particular subject.

Unless of course you're talking a man to man encounter (ick!, yes it's a un-PC "ick!" but I just can't help it).

The italics are mine-Jez

Well perhaps I should reword it. Something along the lines of:

"It's much easier for a woman to catch HIV from sexual intercourse than for a man. Unless of course you're talking about a man to man encounter. (ick!) [note: that's a "ick!" about anuses, not an "ick!" about gay people in general, who I find to be perfectly acceptable members of society, whose only flaw is their ability to entice the politically correct to jump up and down indignantly whenever they read too much into to anything. Now please fuck off jez!]"

[jez]

about gay people in general, who I find to be perfectly acceptable members of society, whose only flaw is their ability to entice the politically correct to jump up and down indignantly whenever they read too much into to anything. Now please fuck off jez!]"

Oooh! Ad hominems! Strawman fallacies! Idiot's delights!

[ramchop]

Oooh! Ad hominems! Strawman fallacies! Idiot's delights!

yes jez, I'm an idiot and you're an intellectual. Please enlighten us with more of your great teachings.

[GargoyleTS]

Jez, do you post on Let's Japan? I think you do Rev...er, I mean Jez. Drop that ad hominem and strawman BS! He made a statement in response to you. You open yourself to attack when you post on the net. Freedom of Verbal Spewage and all that. Just as you have every right to be a complete cockbite, he has the right to be vague and come off like a homophobic imbecile by misspeaking himself in a public forum. Your diatribes and vicious attacks are begging to wear thin. Contribute. Quit simply attacking people's posts and CONTRIBUTE! If someone makes an apparent ass of himself, that IS NOT a cue for you to go into attack mode. Learn how to get along or get the fuck out.

In the words of the Great Gord, "Doors to your left..."

[ramchop]

Vicious attacks? jez may be many things (idealist, deluded, tiresome, wanker) but vicious?

[Caustic Saint]

Just as you have every right to be a complete cockbite, he has the right to be vague and come off like a homophobic imbecile by misspeaking himself in a public forum.

In the words of the Great Gord, "Doors to your left..."

Heh. You said "cockbite." Watch Red vs. Blue much?

Oh, and Gord's not nearly as great as he makes himself out to be. He occasionally posts on another board I'm on and is quite the effete little snot most of the time. One should never believe one's own press - especially when it's self-authored.

[GargoyleTS]

meh, Gord is silly, but his stories (i am sure at least are partially fiction or stolen) are amusing.

And yeah I watch RVB! You got it from me! Girls are like Voltron...

And yeah vicious, not perhaps of violent bent but definitely malicious in intent and unrelenting to the point of obsessive.

[jez]

Oooh! Ad hominems! Strawman fallacies! Idiot's delights!

yes jez, I'm an idiot and you're an intellectual. Please enlighten us with more of your great teachings.

try the link I posted earlier. It'll help with your debating skills

[jez]

Jez, do you post on Let's Japan?

No I don't.

Drop that ad hominem and strawman BS! He made a statement in response to you. You open yourself to attack when you post on the net. Freedom of Verbal Spewage and all that. Just as you have every right to be a complete cockbite, he has the right to be vague and come off like a homophobic imbecile by misspeaking himself in a public forum

He has every right, as I have the right to point out the lack of sense behind his arguments.

Contribute. Quit simply attacking people's posts and CONTRIBUTE!

If you take the trouble to check it out, you'll find I contributed this thread to the forum.

If someone makes an apparent ass of himself, that IS NOT a cue for you to go into attack mode. Learn how to get along or get the fuck out.

If someone makes irrational arguments, particularly ones which spread ignorance and prejudice, I will continue to point it out. If you don't like it, get out, or learn to argue rationally.

[GomiGirl]

OMG Freud would be having a field day with the content of today's discussion between you all.

Why is that whenever the conversation turns toward homosexuality, everybody focuses on anal sex? This is really just a small part of what it is to be gay and many guys don't even do it during casual sex.. unlike heterosexual casual sex where penetration is par for the course. It is almost like a fascination that heterosexual guys have in imagining what gay boys get up to.. personally I could give two hoots for what other people do in the sack. I am no voyeur and have no interest in other people's sex lives.

[GargoyleTS]

Drop that ad hominem and strawman BS! He made a statement in response to you. You open yourself to attack when you post on the net. Freedom of Verbal Spewage and all that. Just as you have every right to be a complete cockbite, he has the right to be vague and come off like a homophobic imbecile by misspeaking himself in a public forum

He has every right, as I have the right to point out the lack of sense behind his arguments.

You do indeed have the right, but you treat it as if it were a mandate. I apologize for the name-calling, it was said in frustration and anger. And you did indeed contribute this post. I am twice rebuked. Yet, my point is still valid. You are far more critical of other people's posts than on the actual subjects. You tend to after the poster for their beliefs rather than espouce your own. While this does allow some of us to clarify our intent and position, it still comes off as arrogance. All I am saying is back off a bit. A smiley does not take the sting out every back-handed insult, and tends to push those less confrontational off the boards. They won't want to post because the Great Jez will call them out if they don't have the same opinions and values.

I go now to watch Battlestar Galactica, and be perplexed by the changes. (Starbuck is a woman?? And what's with all the sex?? meh {i like that whoever does that} I guess its just TV nowadays here in the US)

[ramchop]

try the link I posted earlier. It'll help with your debating skills

Thanks for the constructive criticism of my debating skills. May I ask, how many debates have been won with the brilliant line "Oooh! Ad hominems! Strawman fallacies! Idiot's delights!"?

You are a pompous twat. (note: this is merely an expressed opinion, not in any way used as a supporting arguement to anything said previously... if you feel the need to stick a label on it, I think "juvenile insult" will suffice)


back to the subject:

WHO accused of huge HIV blunder

Gisselquist's work prompted the WHO to hold a meeting on unsafe injections in March 2003. He says data supporting his claims was presented, but it was not reflected in the meeting's conclusions. Instead, the press release proclaimed: "An expert group has reaffirmed that unsafe sexual practices are responsible for the vast majority of HIV infections in sub-Saharan Africa."

Six months before the meeting, UNAIDS drew up a report, which has been seen by New Scientist, that contradicts this position. Based on a review of 23 studies, it concludes that in sub-Saharan Africa, "contaminated injections may cause between 12 and 33 per cent of new HIV infections". That is far higher than the accepted 2.5 per cent figure.

...

"In Asia, if we don't get that message out, the epidemic could really blow up," he warns. The WHO's own figures, based on observations in hospitals and clinics, suggest that up to 75 per cent of injections in parts of south-east Asia are carried out using unsterilised equipment, compared with just 20 per cent in sub-Saharan Africa.

Note: do not get immunised in some parts of SE Asia.

[jez]

You do indeed have the right, but you treat it as if it were a mandate. I apologize for the name-calling, it was said in frustration and anger. And you did indeed contribute this post. I am twice rebuked. Yet, my point is still valid. You are far more critical of other people's posts than on the actual subjects. You tend to after the poster for their beliefs rather than espouce your own. While this does allow some of us to clarify our intent and position, it still comes off as arrogance. All I am saying is back off a bit. A smiley does not take the sting out every back-handed insult, and tends to push those less confrontational off the boards. They won't want to post because the Great Jez will call them out if they don't have the same opinions and values.

Sorry if I come accross as arrogant. I often post my opinions, however, in conjunction with my 'attacks'. I think there is far too much ignorance spread on the web(as in 'real' life), and I feel the duty, as a human being to point this out. I do not see myself as special, indeed I wish more people would take the time to rebuke ignorance.
I dislike arrogance, and will always try not to be so, but I find ignorant and prejudiced speech even more disturbing. In fact such speech can also be termed 'arrogant'.
I think no-one should be allowed to get away with prejudiced and ignorant comments.

[jez]

You are a pompous twat.

well, a pompous twat vs. a self-denying prejudiced macho. I think that sort of balances things out...

[jez]

http://www.tsujiru.net/compass/compass_1998/reg/morita_naoko.htm

Many of us believe that AIDS is only transmitted by a sexual relationship. According to the 1994 statistics of HIV patients in Japan, however, 1792 hemophiliac patients out of 2616 were infected with HIV. Ryuuichi Hirokawa claims that seventy percent of HIV patients in Japan used to have hemophiliac treatment (2). Although there should be no connection between the hemophiliac and AIDS, medical experts in Japan failed to prevent such a tragedy. Japanese and American pharmaceutical companies were more concerned with profits than with good medicine, and both Japan and America government policy failed to protect the public. If we do not learn from these mistakes, the tragedy of HIV in future will be repeated again.

[jez]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/286905.stm

Laurent Fabius, a former socialist prime minister and both Edmond Herv and Georgina Dufoix who served in his cabinet, all deny responsibility for the scandal in which more than 1,000 people have died.

Is 'safe sex' enough?

[jez]

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/1992/66/66p16b.htm
[quote]Georgina Dufoix, social affairs minister in 1985, who stated she was

[AssKissinger]

Jez, why don't you just put it all in one post? Five fucking posts in a row? I get sick of your ugly ass avatar, your post count is artificially inflated and if Ultra would bring back the ignore button you'd be the first and only on my list.

[GargoyleTS]

Sorry if I come accross as arrogant. I often post my opinions, however, in conjunction with my 'attacks'. I think there is far too much ignorance spread on the web(as in 'real' life), and I feel the duty, as a human being to point this out. I do not see myself as special, indeed I wish more people would take the time to rebuke ignorance.
I dislike arrogance, and will always try not to be so, but I find ignorant and prejudiced speech even more disturbing. In fact such speech can also be termed 'arrogant'.
I think no-one should be allowed to get away with prejudiced and ignorant comments.

Be that as it may, who made you the resident Posting Police? Arguing for change can be noble, but like the boy who cried wolf, the more you nag the more you are ignored or baited into arguement after arguement disrupting the entire board eventually. You challenge without establishing yourself first, thus instead of coming off as informed, you simply appear to be calling everyone a liar. Why shouldn't people have prejudices? Because you say so? Got news for you, you are doomed to constant dissappointment. Ignorance is curable, but only if people value you as a source and don't ignore you out of hand because of the heavy-handed tactics you use. Teach, don't preach. There are so many different ways to open debate, yet you use the most confrontational ones most of the time. Try a different tactic sometime, and see if perhaps people listen to you instead of automatically going on the defensive.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

I get sick of your ugly ass avatar

This one is almost as bad as the old one.

Jez Please please change you avatar if nothing else. at least somethiing with a little humor. Why not get an avatar of winston churchill ah no that would be worse te he he.

[Big Booger]

I got a long skinny pole. Actually, I think the width is average (or wider) but it appears thin due to the length. Leaky anus? Sounds reasonable. But the cancer thing? Any links?

Anal Cancer
The risk for anal cancer is a concern for men and women who have anal sex. It can produce malignant tumors inside and outside the anal canal. Many people with early anal cancer have no symptoms. The major risk factor for anal cancer is infection with HPV. Many LGBT practitioners are advising routine anal Pap smears to detect the early changes that might indicate a risk of developing anal cancer. There are no long term studies, but some providers advise that any male with a history of having anal sex should be screened. Also women with cervical dysplasia should be screened. About twice as many HIV-positive men as uninfected men develop anal cancer, so this group is particularly at risk. Although anal cancer accounts for less than 5% of all digestive and intestinal tract cancers, the rate of incidence is rising.

SOURCE:
http://www.gayhealthchannel.com/analhealth/

[AssKissinger]

The major risk factor for anal cancer is infection with HPV.

HPV is genital warts which can grow on the anus and cause cancer but that's a side effect of an STD not of anal sex itself. Anal sex doesn't cause HPV, it's a way that HPV can be spread. Anal sex with a person with no STD's will not cause cancer, I think.

[Big Booger]

It can produce malignant tumors inside and outside the anal canal.

It being anal sex. The HPV is the major risk factor that adds to or contributes to the cancer.

Meaning you can get cancer from anal intercourse, but if you have HPV, it is more risky... unless I am reading that wrong which is entirely possible.

[AssKissinger]

Yeah, my bad. It reads that way. It seems like a good link, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I don't believe it. Actually, I just think it's badly worded. I've spent the last hour or so hitting websites and reading up on this and again and again the HPV things keeps coming up. Here's a link to the American Cancer Society. On this and from other sources nothing suggests that anal sex alone just by tearing the skin or whatever can cause cancer. Causes of Anal Cancer

[jez]

Jez, why don't you just put it all in one post? Five fucking posts in a row? I get sick of your ugly ass avatar, your post count is artificially inflated and if Ultra would bring back the ignore button you'd be the first and only on my list.

lovely. you're so sweet.

[Big Booger]

http://www.mamashealth.com/cancer/analcancer.asp

I found another source to confirm the original source:

Anal cancer is more common in American women than men. It is often seen above age 60. In younger adults, it is more common in single homosexual men than in heterosexual men. This occurs because receptive anal intercourse significantly increases the risk of developing this cancer.

But I think having HPV is even more of a risk to contracting anal cancer than just receiving it.

[jez]

This one is almost as bad as the old one.

Jez Please please change you avatar if nothing else. at least somethiing with a little humor. Why not get an avatar of winston churchill ah no that would be worse te he he.

Since you ask so nicely, I'll think about it. However, why you think Keanu is more humourous than Cat, is beyond my understanding