certain things mailed to you

[Coligny]

Wait... There's "prescription" dose for meth ?
Isn't the stuff the equivalent of nuclear weapon ? 1 lit being already too much ?

(As for meth mouth... Like for england... Is it really what it is...)

you have google. use it.

Meth is used for ADD and obesity.

Meth mouth is where your teeth and gums rot resulting in very bad breath...... sound like Japan?

Then, in 1970, the US government made it illegal for most uses

I think i'll have to go back to Russian trucks. I hate that feeling to be in a conversation from another world...

[wuchan]

Wait... There's "prescription" dose for meth ?
Isn't the stuff the equivalent of nuclear weapon ? 1 lit being already too much ?

(As for meth mouth... Like for england... Is it really what it is...)

you have google. use it.

Meth is used for ADD and obesity.

Meth mouth is where your teeth and gums rot resulting in very bad breath...... sound like Japan?

Then, in 1970, the US government made it illegal for most uses

I think i'll have to go back to Russian trucks. I hate that feeling to be in a conversation from another world...

It's called Desoxyn and it's legal in the USA.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/Drug ... 088582.pdf

[Coligny]

Thanks, you could have started there...

[Mike Oxlong]

The real problem with this claim she didn't know is that she has already admitted she sent them or had them sent, and she disguised them. This tinfoil hat fun aside the idea it's a setup is insulting pandering. That Twitterphile that suggested that should be disciplined for even broaching it. The woman has already admitted it was her; she said she didn't think it was wrong to do so. That's called an admission of guilt.

I hope for a slap on the wrist: she looks able enough, has a strong clear gaze........and entitled stupidity need not be a life sentence.

What's that? The J-police and media have already convicted her? You are skeptical about The Economist editorial slant, but not the local media? Ok then...

[kurogane]

I think I am missing something here. I couldn't find anything by the Economist but all detailed articles seem to agree that she sent it to herself and has admitted as much but denies any ill intent, which seems fair enough, even though it appears she made an effort to disguise or conceal the contents.

Or not?

[Yokohammer]

The latest news is that a medical examination has apparently revealed that she doesn't need the medication. (Sorry, can't provide a link right now but it was in the JT this morning).


~ Tapatalking ~

[kurogane]

Got it.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... YX7gkZNFLM

Allowing that her lack of need might well be because Japanese doctors don't think anybody "needs" it, as somebody wrote earlier, ..........Poor widdle pinkus.......the pill poppin' yuppie.

So, punishment as time served, quick reassignment back to hillbilly pill poppin' paradise, perhaps some rehab.......a shame, actually.

[Coligny]

The latest news is that a medical examination has apparently revealed that she doesn't need the medication. (Sorry, can't provide a link right now but it was in the JT this morning).


~ Tapatalking ~

Yea, last time I broked an ankle I apparently didn't need anything either, not even loxonin...

[Russell]

The latest news is that a medical examination has apparently revealed that she doesn't need the medication. (Sorry, can't provide a link right now but it was in the JT this morning).

So, it appears she did not have any physical pain.

But how could they establish she does not have any mental pain?

And what is the difference anyway? Both are caused by the firing of a collection of neurons in certain patterns.

[Yokohammer]

The latest news is that a medical examination has apparently revealed that she doesn't need the medication. (Sorry, can't provide a link right now but it was in the JT this morning).

So, it appears she did not have any physical pain.

But how could they establish she does not have any mental pain?

And what is the difference anyway? Both are caused by the firing of a collection of neurons in certain patterns.

I think using non-prescribed drugs for "mental pain" is one of the things Japan's authorities consider a no-no.

Your logic is simply not going to compute.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I wonder if she even had a prescription in the US.

[Yokohammer]

I wonder if she even had a prescription in the US.

I'm betting that's one of the foci of the investigation.
If she didn't this is not going to turn out well at all, unless it can be proven that the stuff was sent to her without her knowledge.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I wonder if she even had a prescription in the US.

I'm betting that's one of the foci of the investigation.
If she didn't this is not going to turn out well at all, unless it can be proven that the stuff was sent to her without her knowledge.

Well everything so far says she mailed the package to herself so if that's true it's going to be really tough to claim.

[kurogane]

And again, according to most of the more detailed articles she sent it to herself, and her defence turns on her assertion that she did not know she was sending herself Restricted Narcotics.

EDIT: like SJ said

[Samurai_Jerk]

And again, according to most of the more detailed articles she sent it to herself, and her defence turns on her assertion that she did not know she was sending herself Restricted Narcotics.

EDIT: like SJ said

Maybe she can claim to be an unwitting drug mule.

[kurogane]

Oh, yeah. That would be sure to help her case.

SO, to recap: she seems to have admitted sending them to herself in ignorance of the restrictions which is still an admission of guilt. No word on her possession of a valid prescription back home, but to turn around and now claim ignorance of the package itself stretches the limits of even expat entitlement, surely.

[Yokohammer]

Well everything so far says she mailed the package to herself so if that's true it's going to be really tough to claim.

Ah, right ... so then her claim of not knowing the stuff was illegal in Japan comes down to how she sourced it in the US. A quick search reveals that it's a schedule II controlled substance even in the US, which I assume means it's not available OTC. If it's prescription, she at least has a shaky leg to stand on. But if she got it through questionable sources in the US she's double-phuqued.

[Russell]

The latest news is that a medical examination has apparently revealed that she doesn't need the medication. (Sorry, can't provide a link right now but it was in the JT this morning).

So, it appears she did not have any physical pain.

But how could they establish she does not have any mental pain?

And what is the difference anyway? Both are caused by the firing of a collection of neurons in certain patterns.

I think using non-prescribed drugs for "mental pain" is one of the things Japan's authorities consider a no-no.

Your logic is simply not going to compute.

I am completely aware of that.

I am just one of those senseless guys who thinks it is up to an individual to decide what she/he put in her/his body. There should be no interference from the state in that, except for regulation of the sources (you don't want to allow poisonous stuff) and educating. And abuse should basically be a health issue, not a criminal one.

It's funny, because on a personal level I am absolutely void of any drugs: no narcotics, no tobacco, no alcohol, even no caffeine for me. But from a principled point of view, I do not want to withhold that from people as long as they do not cause trouble to others.

Anyway, what you said, that is not going to compute for her. The laws here are what they are, and she should have respected those.

[wuchan]

A little tinfoil hat.... Maybe she was chosen for this position because there was a possibility that she would get in trouble with the j-cops. Now toyota has an excuse to use when they have to file their excuse paperwork for noncompliance. "we tried a foreigner but they like teh drugz and therefore can't be employed at high levels within our organization."

cough.... cough....



Akio is in her corner, for now.

Knowing how J-companies work and the power trip HR tends to be on, I'm kinda wondering what's going on behind the scenes at the dinosaur automaker.

[Mike Oxlong]

Still skeptical about the media. Vague statements like she didn't think she had imported drugs. He boss quoted as saying she did not intend to break the law. I suspect she signed a sheet acknowledging she understands the charges, and in Japanspeak that means she has confessed. She may well be guilty, but that remains to be seen. And WTF Japan Times?! They are reporting that oxycodone is stronger than morphine. Utter bullshit.

Oxycodone, categorized as a narcotic in Japan, is often used as a pain reliever by cancer patients and is said to be stronger than morphine. Overdosing on it can produce euphoric effects like heroin.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... kup-finds/

[wuchan]

Still skeptical about the media. Vague statements like she didn't think she had imported drugs. He boss quoted as saying she did not intend to break the law. I suspect she signed a sheet acknowledging she understands the charges, and in Japanspeak that means she has confessed. She may well be guilty, but that remains to be seen. And WTF Japan Times?! They are reporting that oxycodone is stronger than morphine. Utter bullshit.

Oxycodone, categorized as a narcotic in Japan, is often used as a pain reliever by cancer patients and is said to be stronger than morphine. Overdosing on it can produce euphoric effects like heroin.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... kup-finds/

Taken orally, yes Oxy is stronger. It's designed to be, if taken orally.

The thing is, I have had both and I don't ever recall being given morphine orally or oxy not in pill form.

[kurogane]

She may well be guilty, but that remains to be seen.

I'm still confoozled about your take on this: in most reports she is said to have admitted she sent it. Regardless of her claims to have lacked intent, that still means she admits her actions. Which part or aspect are you skeptical about? Just curious, btw, but your argument seems to be tinfoiling the main thrust of any of the more detailed articles.

[Samurai_Jerk]

She may well be guilty, but that remains to be seen.

I'm still confoozled about your take on this: in most reports she is said to have admitted she sent it. Regardless of her claims to have lacked intent, that still means she admits her actions. Which part or aspect are you skeptical about? Just curious, btw, but your argument seems to be tinfoiling the main thrust of any of the more detailed articles.

I think he's taking an innocent till proven guilty stance and being skeptical about what's being reported. That seems pretty reasonable to me. You're right legally speaking that if she admitted to doing it she's guilty. However, admitting to something and actually having done it aren't always the same thing. It could just be what her lawyer advised her to do. We all know that saying you did it and you're sorry can go a long way in Japan.

For the record, I think she's probably guilty as sin though I agree with Russell that it shouldn't be a crime. But there are a lot of things that I don't think should be illegal that are so I try not to do them.

[kurogane]

AaaaHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. A nice sentiment. I wasn't actually trying to railroad her, but from the reports so far she's not innocent of much except judgement and intelligence. I also agree with you and Russell, but that's principles and we're talking about practice. Not a game, not a theory..............practice.

[Salty]

If she was all drugged up on it, how could she possibly know that she sent it to herself?

I suspect that she has already been fired, or at least it is in the works, their HR committee having so decreed - and the noise that Toyota is making is just PR cover.

[wagyl]

I suspect that she has already been fired, or at least it is in the works, their HR committee having so decreed - and the noise that Toyota is making is just PR cover.

If she is fired, there is no reason for Toyota to publicly support her, and the better PR would be to distance themselves from her actions.

But then again, Toyota's Executive in head of PR is currently tied up with personal matters, so maybe their PR strategy is going in a different direction to that which is expected. I was surprised that they thought it was a good idea to admit that they should have held their executive's hand a little more, introducing her to local shops. If these people can't function in society, then how can they be expected to make decisions to guide their corporation through society?

[matsuki]

Wait... There's "prescription" dose for meth ?
Isn't the stuff the equivalent of nuclear weapon ? 1 lit being already too much ?

(As for meth mouth... Like for england... Is it really what it is...)

you have google. use it.

Meth is used for ADD and obesity.

Meth mouth is where your teeth and gums rot resulting in very bad breath...... sound like Japan?

[Salty]

I suspect that she has already been fired, or at least it is in the works, their HR committee having so decreed - and the noise that Toyota is making is just PR cover.

If she is fired, there is no reason for Toyota to publicly support her, and the better PR would be to distance themselves from her actions.

But then again, Toyota's Executive in head of PR is currently tied up with personal matters, so maybe their PR strategy is going in a different direction to that which is expected. I was surprised that they thought it was a good idea to admit that they should have held their executive's hand a little more, introducing her to local shops. If these people can't function in society, then how can they be expected to make decisions to guide their corporation through society?

If an HR committee moves fast enough - they can fire a person before the arrest is announced, so that when it is announced, the perp is `unemployed`. This is more difficult when the perp is a senior executive, and of course impossible once it hits the news. Hence my speculation on Toyota`s PR strategy. They had only two choices - support or condemn, but condemnation would also imply condemnation of themselves for having hired a druggie in the first place. I doubt they will now say anything more, even when she is deported.

As an HR committee member for two multinational firms, and who dealt with a druggie and a violent thief – we fired first and fast, turning the perps into unemployed in the news. Then we did our best to help the police in their investigation – access to desks, lockers, apartments, personnel files, etc.

[matsuki]

I suspect that she has already been fired, or at least it is in the works, their HR committee having so decreed - and the noise that Toyota is making is just PR cover.

If she is fired, there is no reason for Toyota to publicly support her, and the better PR would be to distance themselves from her actions.

But then again, Toyota's Executive in head of PR is currently tied up with personal matters, so maybe their PR strategy is going in a different direction to that which is expected. I was surprised that they thought it was a good idea to admit that they should have held their executive's hand a little more, introducing her to local shops. If these people can't function in society, then how can they be expected to make decisions to guide their corporation through society?

If an HR committee moves fast enough - they can fire a person before the arrest is announced, so that when it is announced, the perp is `unemployed`. This is more difficult when the perp is a senior executive, and of course impossible once it hits the news. Hence my speculation on Toyota`s PR strategy. They had only two choices - support or condemn, but condemnation would also imply condemnation of themselves for having hired a druggie in the first place. I doubt they will now say anything more, even when she is deported.

As an HR committee member for two multinational firms, and who dealt with a druggie and a violent thief – we fired first and fast, turning the perps into unemployed in the news. Then we did our best to help the police in their investigation – access to desks, lockers, apartments, personnel files, etc.

If you know the person is a complete fuckup before hand, distance is probably good...but consider that she hid the drug abuse and now Toyota is on the spot with "first female blah blah blah." They're fucked if they do, fucked if they don't...or at least that's how it looked to them at the time. That being said, it's Toyota...this is Japan. If ever there were ever a situation where strings could be pulled and teeth could be sucked while shoganai-status forgiveness is employed, this is it.

[Mock Cockpit]

Assuming she has a prescription if she had just taken them with her in her carry-on back to Japan the worst thing that would happen is they'd be taken off her.