Listen to Japan surrender again and again

[Samurai_Jerk]

Original sound of Japan emperor's war-end speech released

The 4 ½-minute speech that has reverberated throughout Japan's modern history since it was delivered by Emperor Hirohito at the end of World War II has come back to life in digital form.

Hirohito's "jewel voice" — muffled and nearly inaudible due to poor sound quality — was broadcast on Aug. 15, 1945, announcing Japan's surrender.

On Saturday, the Imperial Household Agency released the digital version of the original sound ahead of the 70th anniversary of the speech and the war's end.

[Coligny]

A new tune for the black trucks to play out loud in the streets...

[Takechanpoo]

this fuking hirohitos announce is the direct reason for j-nationals to quit the big war, NOT the two a-bombs.
sneaky selfish fuking hirohito was reluctant to show the announce until he get an assurance of his safety from merika.
if he was truly noble, the ppl of hiroshima and nagasaki was not going to be used as an experiment of nuking.
he fuking deserved 2 millions death penalty.
or i really wanted to stab that biachs body 2 million times.

[matsuki]

this fuking hirohitos announce is the direct reason for j-nationals to quit the big war, NOT the two a-bombs.
sneaky selfish fuking hirohito was reluctant to show the announce until he get an assurance of his safety from merika.
if he was truly noble, the ppl of hiroshima and nagasaki was not going to be used as an experiment of nuking.
he fuking deserved 2 millions death penalty.
or i really wanted to stab that biachs body 2 million times.

While I agree...

Without the nukes...how would Japan play up the victim role?

[Takechanpoo]

the origin of the sense of victimization of japanese is not the 2 nukes.
generally world ppl start thinking about the big event at the point of around parl horbour.
on the other hand most of japanese do around meiji restration which were carried out to protect japan from evil
greedy racist westerners as you know.

[matsuki]

the origin of the sense of victimization of japanese is not the 2 nukes.
generally world ppl start thinking about the big event at the point of around parl horbour.
on the other hand most of japanese do around meiji restration which were carried out to protect japan from evil
greedy racist westerners as you know.

Fear of colonization is understandable...but Japan was never really colonized....so how does that turn into a sense of victimization? Speaking of which, countries that were colonized...like China, the Koreas, the Philippines, Malaysia, Guam, etc etc etc. aren't exactly on board with Japan as a "victim country."

[Russell]

this fuking hirohitos announce is the direct reason for j-nationals to quit the big war, NOT the two a-bombs.
sneaky selfish fuking hirohito was reluctant to show the announce until he get an assurance of his safety from merika.
if he was truly noble, the ppl of hiroshima and nagasaki was not going to be used as an experiment of nuking.
he fuking deserved 2 millions death penalty.
or i really wanted to stab that biachs body 2 million times.

Takechan, care to educate us what would've happened to Japan if Hirohito would not have broadcast his words of surrender?

[Wage Slave]

this fuking hirohitos announce is the direct reason for j-nationals to quit the big war, NOT the two a-bombs.
sneaky selfish fuking hirohito was reluctant to show the announce until he get an assurance of his safety from merika.
if he was truly noble, the ppl of hiroshima and nagasaki was not going to be used as an experiment of nuking.
he fuking deserved 2 millions death penalty.
or i really wanted to stab that biachs body 2 million times.

Takechan, care to educate us what would've happened to Japan if Hirohito would not have broadcast his words of surrender?

That's easy:

"We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction."

And that was that. Had Japan's leaders taken notice of that and the fact that they were totally stuffed even without atomic weapons, a lot of extra suffering could have been avoided.

[J.A.F.O]

Plus I think we just really wanted to nuke someone. I mean give a kid a new firecracker then tell him not to light it. We U.S. Americans aren't too far removed from that as a whole I believe.

[kurogane]

Yes to all that, and add a strong hint of a large group of Brownies that needed to be taught a lesson for standing up to and having the temerity to copy Whitey and do it rather well, and you have bomb happy decision makers. Plus they already knew about the POW camps by this point. I would have dropped 6 if I had anything to do with it, and I think the Pacific War was caused more by Anglo-American arrogance and stupidity than it was by Japanese aggression per se.

[Coligny]

Plus I think we just really wanted to nuke someone. I mean give a kid a new firecracker then tell him not to light it. We U.S. Americans aren't too far removed from that as a whole I believe.

Nukes were a message to Soviet Russia through Japan. They were not needed against an enemy already on its knees. Meanwhile the raise of the Soviet Union was scaring the yanks shitless.

All the other warz after WWII were direct or proxy Red vs Blue.

[J.A.F.O]

Plus I think we just really wanted to nuke someone. I mean give a kid a new firecracker then tell him not to light it. We U.S. Americans aren't too far removed from that as a whole I believe.

Nukes were a message to Soviet Russia through Japan. They were not needed against an enemy already on its knees. Meanwhile the raise of the Soviet Union was scaring the yanks shitless.

All the other warz after WWII were direct or proxy Red vs Blue.

Ironic that Amerika is becoming more socialist as the socialist/communist are becoming more capitalistic... hail hydra.

[Wage Slave]

Plus I think we just really wanted to nuke someone. I mean give a kid a new firecracker then tell him not to light it. We U.S. Americans aren't too far removed from that as a whole I believe.

Nukes were a message to Soviet Russia through Japan. They were not needed against an enemy already on its knees. Meanwhile the raise of the Soviet Union was scaring the yanks shitless.

All the other warz after WWII were direct or proxy Red vs Blue.

Both played a part without question. Another bit of it was, as Kuro suggested, an object lesson to the brownies. And yet another a straightforward anger and desire for retribution - there was after all a war on, and one that had become exceptionally bitter and nasty. Some people would have been delighted Japan threw away their last chance to avoid being attacked with nuclear weapons and no doubt would have felt that had the boot been on the other foot no such opportunity would have been granted. The Imperial Japanese Army's record would have supported that view.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Ironic that Amerika is becoming more socialist as the socialist/communist are becoming more capitalistic

[matsuki]

a straightforward anger and desire for retribution - there was after all a war on, and one that had become exceptionally bitter and nasty. Some people would have been delighted Japan threw away their last chance to avoid being attacked with nuclear weapons and no doubt would have felt that had the boot been on the other foot no such opportunity would have been granted. The Imperial Japanese Army's record would have supported that view.

There's no doubt WWII Japan would have totally used nukes had they had them at the time. Their top dudes definitely recognized what they were up against and were willing to use anything to gain advantages.

What happened in Okinawa seems to have heavily influence the decision to use nukes:

the Allies suffered 14,009 deaths (with an estimated total of more than 65,000 casualties of all kinds) Simultaneously, 42,000–150,000 local civilians were killed or committed suicide, a significant proportion of the local population.

When you're up against a desperate, fanatical, military force that's using everything from suicidal rushes on the field "just to take out more of the enemy" to kamikaze in the air, and who is bolstering moral by castrating captives and butchering innocent civilians, it's not a hard sell to try an avoid an invasion many times larger than Okinawa by using a weapon against them with "the greatest psychological effect" and there's the bonus of showing the US has a bigger dick than Russia by "making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released."

[wagyl]

It should not be forgotten that it was an incredibly risky action, as well. As I understand it, there was not enough material for another bomb, so if two bombs hadn't done the trick, or they hadn't exploded, they would have been stuffed. They also weren't entirely sure just how effective they would be.

[matsuki]

It should not be forgotten that it was an incredibly risky action, as well.

I think this is often overlooked...if one turned out to be a dud, they would have just delivered at malfunctioning bomb that could have been reverse-engineered (if not by Japan, by Russia) and/or repaired and used against them.

As I understand it, there was not enough material for another bomb, so if two bombs hadn't done the trick, or they hadn't exploded, they would have been stuffed.

According to Wikipedia, they were already prepping more bombs...

Groves expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use on August 19, with three more in September and a further three in October. On August 10, he sent a memorandum to Marshall in which he wrote that "the next bomb ... should be ready for delivery on the first suitable weather after 17 or 18 August." On the same day, Marshall endorsed the memo with the comment, "It is not to be released over Japan without express authority from the President." Truman had secretly requested this on August 10. This modified the previous order that the target cities were to be attacked with atomic bombs "as made ready".

There was already discussion in the War Department about conserving the bombs then in production for Operation Downfall. "The problem now [August 13] is whether or not, assuming the Japanese do not capitulate, to continue dropping them every time one is made and shipped out there or whether to hold them ... and then pour them all on in a reasonably short time. Not all in one day, but over a short period. And that also takes into consideration the target that we are after. In other words, should we not concentrate on targets that will be of the greatest assistance to an invasion rather than industry, morale, psychology, and the like? Nearer the tactical use rather than other use."

Two more Fat Man assemblies were readied, and scheduled to leave Kirtland Field for Tinian on August 11 and August 14, and Tibbets was ordered by LeMay to return to Albuquerque, New Mexico, to collect them. At Los Alamos, technicians worked 24 hours straight to cast another plutonium core. Although cast, it still needed to be pressed and coated, which would take until August 16. Therefore, it could have been ready for use on August 19. However, unable to reach Marshall, Groves ordered on his own authority on August 13 that the core should not be shipped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bo ... s_on_Japan

They also weren't entirely sure just how effective they would be.

Another point often overlooked...zero experience using them in this manner means a ton of unknowns and unforeseen issues.

[J.A.F.O]

Come on man, you dropped the hail hydra... That was the whole joke. Now it looks like I am serious.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Come on man, you dropped the hail hydra... That was the whole joke. Now it looks like I am serious.

Because I know you are.

[Coligny]

It should not be forgotten that it was an incredibly risky action, as well.

I think this is often overlooked...if one turned out to be a dud, they would have just delivered at malfunctioning bomb that could have been reverse-engineered (if not by Japan, by Russia) and/or repaired and used against them.

.

Maybe not...

Until it mushroomed it was nothing more than another bomb. So had it been a dud, nobody would have cared much aboot it at day 1. The time for anyone to second guess it might not have been a regular weapon the usaaf would have carpet bombed the whole place.

To recognize something, you have to know that it exist.

[matsuki]

It should not be forgotten that it was an incredibly risky action, as well.

I think this is often overlooked...if one turned out to be a dud, they would have just delivered at malfunctioning bomb that could have been reverse-engineered (if not by Japan, by Russia) and/or repaired and used against them.

.

Maybe not...

Until it mushroomed it was nothing more than another bomb. So had it been a dud, nobody would have cared much aboot it at day 1. The time for anyone to second guess it might not have been a regular weapon the usaaf would have carpet bombed the whole place.

To recognize something, you have to know that it exist.

I'm pretty sure it was known they were being developed but you are right....they might not have known what it was if they found one....and more bombing might have ruined any chances to extrapolate from it.

[Yokohammer]

The fact that they weren't sure it would work was the reason for the Trinity nuclear test on July 16, 1945.

Even then they weren't entire sure about what the effects would be, as evidenced by the fact that they marched troops towards the mushroom cloud, fer cryin' out loud.

[matsuki]

Thursday, August 6th, is the 70th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, and a traditional day of protests against the U.S. Embassy.

As in years past, multiple groups of protesters may drive around the embassy throughout the day while making pronouncements via trucks with loudspeakers. The protesters are generally non-violent in nature but at times their motorcades disrupt traffic.

On Sunday, August 9th, we also expect groups of protesters to circle the embassy throughout the day to draw attention to the 70th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Nagasaki. The police expect minimal disruptions to traffic around the embassy on August 9 due to low traffic volume on a Sunday.

Even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence. You should avoid areas of demonstrations, and exercise caution if in the vicinity of

Demodemo-cha-cha! Demodemo-cha-cha! Demodemo-cha-cha! Demodemo-cha-cha! Demodemo-cha-cha!

[J.A.F.O]

Come on man, you dropped the hail hydra... That was the whole joke. Now it looks like I am serious.

Because I know you are.

Maybe once upon a time, but I just don't care anymore. These years in j-land I'm saying fuggit lets drive it all into the ground. Blow it all up lets start over.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Did Hiroshima Save Japan From Soviet Occupation?

Stalin had planned to seize a major Japanese island. When Truman refused, Stalin blinked. Why?

In the wee hours of Aug. 24, 1945, Soviet long-range bombers would take off from their air base not far from the Far Eastern port of Vladivostok and fly east, across the Sea of Japan, dropping lethal payloads on the northern Japanese island of Hokkaido. At 5 a.m. that morning, two Soviet regiments would storm their way onshore, followed, in two hours, by a larger force. Within days, two infantry divisions would sweep across northern Hokkaido, cutting the island in half.

That was the rough battle plan drawn up by the commander of the Soviet Pacific Fleet, Adm. Ivan Yumashev, at the end of World War II for occupying Hokkaido. Troops were on standby. Submarines were ordered to the Hokkaido coast for reconnaissance in preparation for land invasion, and had even started sinking Japanese ships (tragically, just refugee boats fleeing Soviet operations on nearby Sakhalin Island). The Soviets had by then occupied southern Sakhalin and were mopping up the remnants of the Japanese along the Kuril island chain that stretched from Hokkaido to the Kamchatka Peninsula, in Russia’s far northeast. Although the Red Army was not as experienced as the Americans with landing operations, this Soviet “D-Day” in Hokkaido would’ve been a walkover — the Japanese army was in shambles, and Emperor Hirohito had recently proclaimed defeat.

Japan’s second-largest island, roughly the size of Maine, Hokkaido was of huge strategic significance. Joseph Stalin’s possession of the island would turn the vast Sea of Okhotsk into a Soviet lake, and ease the projection of Soviet naval power into the Pacific. Stalin had his eyes on a big prize. The detailed Soviet operational plans, published Wednesday by the Wilson Center in the full English translation for the first time, show that all the pieces had been put in place for a swift Soviet occupation.

All that was missing was a final go-ahead from Stalin. On Aug. 16 the Soviet leader asked U.S. President Harry S. Truman to acquiesce in this “modest wish” or risk offending “Russian public opinion.” Although just months earlier, the U.S. War Department had considered letting the Soviets occupy Hokkaido and even part of Honshu, Japan’s largest island, Hiroshima had clearly changed things for Truman. Possession of a mighty new weapon gave Truman the confidence to set the terms of his relationship with Stalin. On Aug. 18, Truman bluntly turned Uncle Joe down. Stalin procrastinated, weighing the pros and cons. Two days before the planned Aug. 24 landing on Hokkaido, he called off the operation.

[matsuki]

That's pretty interesting...if only Stalin had gone forward with the plan, the onsens would be free and open to all and the vodka would be a flowin'

[inflames]

Shit, if that happened the uyoku would be throwing an even bigger hissy fit than they usually do. Actually, most Japanese would be posed with a conundrum - without the Ainu (and, even better, without the Ryukyuan), there'd be a huge thing about who to actually discriminate against. With the Korean and Chinese governments not taking shit from Japan that leaves the buraku.

Personally speaking, I really hate the 6th as it's just the entire victimization thing. The entire attitude of starting a war, enslaving tons of people and killing millions and the enemy comes up with some really good weapon, uses it twice, and now suddenly becoming the victim.

It would be like Merkel going to Auschwitz and apologizing for the final solution not being final and for not destroying all of the buildings before the Soviets came.

[wuchan]

Beyond the e vs w piss fest.......


so many people, including take-a-poop, seem to forget how Japan has historically operated.


"those that possess the emperor rule Nippon" It is the rule. The only exception was a few years during the edo era.

When one controls "god", one is GOD. Fast foreword to the beginning of the Meji era...... and control of the emperor, the emperor's assets and the living god's earthly, uneducated-poor-faithful army. Sure guns and modern warfare made an impact but the true death of Japan that take-a-poop and his friends wished for happened when Meji era Japan began issuing inferior swords to soldiers with guns.

The Ideal "Japan" died far before the nukes. It died when the merchant class took over.

[Takechanpoo]

[Coligny]

Russia Today...

The TV channel where talking heads resign live because they refuse to be the face of Putin's propaganda...

Take... Have you been checked for birth defect ? Maybe you can claim disabilities for missing a brainstem...