12 dead in Paris shooting

[Coligny]

Moar:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... atest.html

[Samurai_Jerk]

Moar:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... atest.html

And more accurate. Marines not soldiers.

[kurogane]

USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they fed the filthy POS some ham and crab sandwiches while they were waiting for the cops.

[legion]

I hope they knee-capped the guy

[Tsuru]

The best part is that apparently the train's on board personnel were seen running away and locking themselves in a staffroom, leaving the passengers to fend for themselves against a lunatic who had an AK47 with 9 spare mags, a handgun and multiple knives. By some divine intervention his AK jammed after a few shots, and he was jumped by the 2 US servicemen, an American student and a Brit who proceeded to beat the living shit out of him until he stopped moving.

The perp has started speaking and says he "found" the weapons in a Brussels park and wanted to hold the passengers for ransom. It's more likely the Brussels branch of the wordwide network of bearded shithead lunatics, famously based in Molenbeek-St.Jean got him the weapons and sent him on his suicide mission, boarding the train at the nearby Brussels-South station. For more than 10 years we keep seeing reports of weapons trafficking to this particular colourful locale, specifically for the purpose of outgunning the local police and creating no-go areas where islam reigns supreme.

Maybe it's time we stop fucking around and have these people tried and convicted by a military court and thrown in a stockade for 30 years, rather than by a civilian judge only to be thrown in prison for a few, where they receive a no-shit hero's welcome by the majority islamic population. They keep telling us they are in open warfare with the west and want to take the war to our front door, so maybe it might not be such a bad idea to start obliging them if they keep trying to inflict acts of mass murder. And of course stopping the money flowing in from wealthy ME donors which finances the mosques and networks which promote and facilitate this behavior.

[matsuki]

Maybe it's time we stop fucking around and have these people tried and convicted by a military court and thrown in a stockade for 30 years, rather than by a civilian judge only to be thrown in prison for a few, where they receive a no-shit hero's welcome by the majority islamic population. They keep telling us they are in open warfare with the west and want to take the war to our front door, so maybe it might not be such a bad idea to start obliging them if they keep trying to inflict acts of mass murder. And of course stopping the money flowing in from wealthy ME donors which finances the mosques and networks which promote and facilitate this behavior.

I like the idea of lifetime of solitary confinement with nothing but a diet of bacon and jello.

[Coligny]

Good luck using an ak47 in a train... Not exactly a CQB weapon.
Plus, report impplies he was confronted just exiting the shitter...
Good luck aiming an ak47 in this context.
The weapon would have done marvel at the train station. Not in the train.
Just the rifle and clip bag would be interestingly bulky...
Why not a full auto Glock 18 or handeld grenade.

Feels like the guy was setp to fail or a complete moron.
I'll let Russell say the words... But it's really extremly lucky that some Marines was on board...

[Russell]

Good luck using an ak47 in a train... Not exactly a CQB weapon.
Plus, report impplies he was confronted just exiting the shitter...
Good luck aiming an ak47 in this context.
The weapon would have done marvel at the train station. Not in the train.
Just the rifle and clip bag would be interestingly bulky...
Why not a full auto Glock 18 or handeld grenade.

Feels like the guy was setp to fail or a complete moron.
I'll let Russell say the words... But it's really extremly lucky that some Marines was on board...

Nope, Russell won't say the words.

The guy was a complete moron, unable to properly operate an AK47.

More on what happened here.

Spencer Stone, Alek Skarlatos, and Anthony Sadler were on a train from Amsterdam to Paris on Friday when a man armed with an automatic rifle and a box cutter started attacking passengers. Sadler was visiting Stone, 23, an Air Force airman first class stationed in Portugal, and Skarlatos, 23, an Army National Guard specialist stationed in Afghanistan.

[...]

Sadler said that during the ride they heard a gunshot and glass shattering in the train car behind them. They then saw an armed man entering their carriage and holding an automatic weapon as if he was ready to begin firing.

"Alek just yells, 'Spencer go!' and Spencer just gets up within five seconds of the guy being in the car and just rushes back there," Sadler said. "He gets up, I get up and Alek gets up and all three of us just rush back there."

Stone tackled the attacker to the ground, Sadler said. As Sadler, Skarlatos, and a fourth passenger, Chris Norman, jumped in to hold him down, the attacker pulled out a box cutter and slashed Stone, Sadler said.

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There are also reports the AK47 was on the floor at the moment the three Americans charged at him.

[kurogane]

Coligny,
I think you will find that most of this ilk fit the profile. One of them blew up his own underpants, and another ruined his own perfectly good pair of Ali G shoes. They're not picking the high fruit. It's like a Jacques Cousteau deep sea dive with weapons:

Ziz is a very dangeiroos mission. Therefore I will send my son Phillipe.

[Russell]

Finally, a proper description of what happened.

A Shot, a Glimpse of an AK-47, and U.S. Servicemen Pounced on Gunman on Train to France

It was 5:45 p.m., a normal Friday afternoon on the sleek high-speed train that takes high-level European diplomats, businesspeople, tourists and ordinary citizens between Amsterdam, Brussels and Paris.

Less than an hour away from Paris, a French passenger got up from his seat to use the toilets at the back of the carriage. Suddenly, in front of him rose a slightly built man. Across the man’s chest, in a sling, was an automatic rifle of the kind favored by jihadists the world over: an AK-47.

The passenger threw himself on the man. The gun went off, once, twice, several times. Glass shattered. A bullet hit a passenger.

The man with the gun kept going down the carriage, holding his AK-47 and a Luger pistol. In a pocket was a sharp blade capable of inflicting grievous harm. He had at least nine cartridges of ammunition, enough for serious carnage.

Alek Skarlatos, a specialist in the National Guard from Oregon vacationing in Europe with a friend in the Air Force, Airman First Class Spencer Stone and another American, Anthony Sadler, looked up and saw the gunman. Mr. Skarlatos, who was returning from a deployment in Afghanistan, looked over at the powerfully built Mr. Stone, a martial arts enthusiast. “Let’s go, go!” he shouted.

Mr. Stone went after the heavily armed gunman and, with his friends, pounded him to the floor of the train carriage. “I mean, adrenaline mostly just takes over,” Mr. Skarlatos said in a Skype interview on Saturday, barely 12 hours after it was over. “I didn’t realize, or fully comprehend, what was going on.”

Their actions saved many lives on the train, which was packed with over 500 passengers, according to French officials. The attack took place in Oignies, near the historic town of Arras.

“I heard a gunshot,” Chris Norman, a British consultant who helps African entrepreneurs find financing in Europe, said at a news conference Saturday afternoon. “I heard a window shatter. I saw an employee run down the train. I saw a man holding an AK-47.”

[...]

In the train carriage, Mr. Stone was the first to act, jumping up at the command of Mr. Skarlatos. He sprinted through the carriage toward the gunman, running “a good 10 meters to get to the guy,” Mr. Skarlatos said. Mr. Stone was unarmed; his target was visibly bristling with weapons.

With Mr. Skarlatos close behind, Mr. Stone grabbed the gunman’s neck, stunning him. But the gunman fought back furiously, slashing with his blade, slicing Mr. Stone in the neck and hand and nearly severing his thumb. Mr. Stone did not let go.

The gunman “pulled out a cutter, started cutting Spencer,” Mr. Norman, the British consultant, told television interviewers. “He cut Spencer behind the neck. He nearly cut his thumb off.”

Mr. Skarlatos grabbed the gunman’s Luger pistol and threw it to the side. Incongruously, the gunman yelled at the men to return it, even as Mr. Stone was choking him. A train conductor rushed up and grabbed the gunman’s left arm, Mr. Norman recalled.

The AK-47 had fallen to the gunman’s feet. Mr. Skarlatos picked it up and “started muzzle-thumping him in the head with it,” he said.

By then, an alarm had sounded on the train. Jean-Hugues Anglade, a well-known French actor, had broken the glass to set it off, cutting himself in the process. The train began to slow down. Julia Grunberg, a Brazilian student living in the Netherlands, looked up from her book. “It was all very normal,” she said. “Then, suddenly, the alarm started ringing. We were very fast; then we were very slow.”

Mr. Anglade accused the train personnel on Saturday of having fled the scene of the struggle, abandoning the passengers and cowering in the engine car. He told the French news media that the behavior of the staff had been “terrible” and “inhuman.”

Mr. Norman and Mr. Sadler had joined in the efforts to subdue the gunman, who “put up quite a bit of a fight,” Mr. Norman recalled at the news conference in Arras on Saturday. “My thought was, ‘I’m probably going to die anyway, so let’s go.’ Once you start moving, you’re not afraid anymore.”

Mr. Stone, wounded and bleeding, kept the suspect in a chokehold. “Spencer Stone is a very strong guy,” Mr. Norman said. The suspect passed out. Mr. Norman busied himself binding him up with a tie.

Mr. Skarlatos, the AK-47 in hand, began to patrol the carriages, looking for other gunmen. He made a series of startling discoveries: The suspect’s guns had malfunctioned, and he had not had the competence to fix them.

“He had pulled the trigger on the AK. The primer was just faulty, so the gun didn’t go off, luckily,” Mr. Skarlatos said. “And he didn’t know how to fix it, which is also very lucky.” In addition, the gunman had not been able to load his own handgun: “There was no magazine in it, so he either dropped it accidentally or didn’t load it properly, so he was only able to get what appeared to be one shot off,” Mr. Skarlatos said.

Bleeding heavily, Mr. Stone went to the aid of a gunshot victim, Mr. Sadler said. “Even though he was injured, he went to help the other man who was injured,” he said. “Without his help, he would have died.”

Slowly, the train pulled into the Arras station. “Somebody came in,” Ms. Grunberg recalled, and told passengers, “You have to get off the train.”

“While I was leaving the train,” she said, “I saw someone in a wheelchair, police dogs. It was all very confusing.”

All those who took part realized it could have turned out far worse. “I mean, if that guy’s weapon had been functioning properly,” Mr. Skarlatos said, “I don’t even want to think about how it would have went.”

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I suspect that the Frenchman who was wounded first was actually a security agent, because the authorities did not release his identity.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

[Wage Slave]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

I was waiting for that. Bullshit. Extreme threat = extreme force is wholly justified. Don't be so dumb.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

I was waiting for that. Bullshit. Extreme threat = extreme force is wholly justified. Don't be so dumb.

It seems like they used violence before he attacked anyone. They should have waited till shots were fired just to be sure he had ill intentions.

[Russell]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

I was waiting for that. Bullshit. Extreme threat = extreme force is wholly justified. Don't be so dumb.

It seems like they used violence before he attacked anyone. They should have waited till shots were fired just to be sure he had ill intentions.

Did you actually read the article?

[Wage Slave]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

I was waiting for that. Bullshit. Extreme threat = extreme force is wholly justified. Don't be so dumb.

It seems like they used violence before he attacked anyone. They should have waited till shots were fired just to be sure he had ill intentions.

Did you actually read the article?

He's trying to use sarcasm to make a point in a comedic way. However, he needs to understand that for sarcasm to work it needs to be more like a rapier and less like a sledgehammer. Americans always struggle with that.

[Coligny]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

Plus it was racial profiling just because he was a niggarab...
Sure he just found the weapons in the loo and wanted to warn the train attendant...

[Samurai_Jerk]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

I was waiting for that. Bullshit. Extreme threat = extreme force is wholly justified. Don't be so dumb.

It seems like they used violence before he attacked anyone. They should have waited till shots were fired just to be sure he had ill intentions.

Did you actually read the article?

He's trying to use sarcasm to make a point in a comedic way. However, he needs to understand that for sarcasm to work it needs to be more like a rapier and less like a sledgehammer. Americans always struggle with that.

It's not sarcasm. It's your idiotic line of reasoning.

[Wage Slave]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

I was waiting for that. Bullshit. Extreme threat = extreme force is wholly justified. Don't be so dumb.

It seems like they used violence before he attacked anyone. They should have waited till shots were fired just to be sure he had ill intentions.

Did you actually read the article?

He's trying to use sarcasm to make a point in a comedic way. However, he needs to understand that for sarcasm to work it needs to be more like a rapier and less like a sledgehammer. Americans always struggle with that.

It's not sarcasm. It's your idiotic line of reasoning.

Bullshit. Anything but.

[Russell]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

I was waiting for that. Bullshit. Extreme threat = extreme force is wholly justified. Don't be so dumb.

It seems like they used violence before he attacked anyone. They should have waited till shots were fired just to be sure he had ill intentions.

Did you actually read the article?

He's trying to use sarcasm to make a point in a comedic way. However, he needs to understand that for sarcasm to work it needs to be more like a rapier and less like a sledgehammer. Americans always struggle with that.

It's not sarcasm. It's your idiotic line of reasoning.

Bullshit. Anything but.

I think the difference in opinion revolves around the phrase "reasonable force".

Americans seem to have a different interpretation of that than Europeans...

[matsuki]

I think the difference in opinion revolves around the phrase "reasonable force".

Americans seem to have a different interpretation of that than Europeans...

...or the idea that some sort of godlike precision must be wielded when the victim is defending themselves?

[Wage Slave]

Know the difference - it is often tried by the worst kind of people:

A fallacious argument similar to reductio ad absurdum often seen in polemical debate is the straw man logical fallacy.[5][6][7][8][9] A straw man argument attempts to refute a given proposition by showing that a slightly different or inaccurate form of the proposition (the "straw man") has an absurd, unpleasant, or ridiculous consequence, relying on the audience not to notice that the argument does not actually apply to the original proposition. For example, in a 1977 appeal of a U.S. bank robbery conviction, a prosecuting attorney said in his closing argument[10]

I submit to you that if you can't take this evidence and find these defendants guilty on this evidence then we might as well open all the banks and say, "Come on and get the money, boys", because we'll never be able to convict them.

The prosecutor was using this "straw man" to attempt to alarm the appellate judges; the chance that any precedent set by this one particular case would literally make it impossible to convict any bank robbers was undoubtedly remote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

[kurogane]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

That was funny. Well timed, well phrased, well delivered. Like the kick the comedian gave the spastic retard.

[Coligny]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

The rest of you: calm the fuck down. It was a joke. You asked for it, you got it. That was funny. Well timed, well phrased, well delivered. Like the kick the comedian gave the spastic retard.

Also, if we could concentrate all these talks in one dedicamate thread that would be useful/nice. For now it feels like an oil spill....

[Russell]

I can't believe they used such excessive force on this guy.

That was funny. Well timed, well phrased, well delivered. Like the kick the comedian gave the spastic retard.

You are a North-American, aren't you?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Know the difference - it is often tried by the worst kind of people:

A fallacious argument similar to reductio ad absurdum often seen in polemical debate is the straw man logical fallacy.[5][6][7][8][9] A straw man argument attempts to refute a given proposition by showing that a slightly different or inaccurate form of the proposition (the "straw man") has an absurd, unpleasant, or ridiculous consequence, relying on the audience not to notice that the argument does not actually apply to the original proposition. For example, in a 1977 appeal of a U.S. bank robbery conviction, a prosecuting attorney said in his closing argument[10]

I submit to you that if you can't take this evidence and find these defendants guilty on this evidence then we might as well open all the banks and say, "Come on and get the money, boys", because we'll never be able to convict them.

The prosecutor was using this "straw man" to attempt to alarm the appellate judges; the chance that any precedent set by this one particular case would literally make it impossible to convict any bank robbers was undoubtedly remote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

No reduction was necessary with your argument.

[kurogane]

I feel that the usual level of snarky but lighthearted banter is being reduced to an absurd level if that helps.

Russell,
By the external characterisations that people often use to define others, yes, very muchly, but I prefer to call myself a global-light, in case you still care.

[Coligny]

I feel that the usual level of snarky but lighthearted banter is being reduced to an absurd level if that helps.

Russell,
By the external characterisations that people often use to define others, yes, very muchly, but I prefer to call myself a global-light, in case you still care.

I though you wuz half rice nigger half møøse fucker, aint your mom a yellow cab !?

[kurogane]

Perhaps you weren't paying attention? If you reduced your posting while wanking to Yua Aida pics maybe you would be less absurd.

BTW, pretty good giggles to hear that French train staff ran away from an armed man. Culture runneth deep it does, and there are few simple joys like a stereotype confirmed. But a hearty round of applause to the actor guy that went Jean Reno on the glass alarm. The French Third Army would be proud of him.

[Coligny]

Have you seen her kindle-only picture books ?

Dey are awsum...

Soooo, you are what ? I'm all ears... And i will take notes and try not to forget where I put the post it, promise.
Lets start from the start, were you breastfed, can you show us on the dildo where the priest and uncle Joe molested you ?

[kurogane]

Sounds nice. I often find her a touch too pretty for hardcore stuff, but her softcore picture books are scrumptious.
As for the rest of it, Lolz and Byez