KILL BILL

[kamome]

That said, I liked vol. 2 better than vol. 1. The fight between Uma and Daryll beats anything in vol. 1. Where the Uma/Vivica fight seemed over-choreographed, the Uma/Daryll one is very slick and full of nice moves.

Better dialogue this time around too.

Does this mean that you recommend seeing Vol. 2? I was seriously considering giving it a pass after watching all the dreck in Vol. 1.

[Andocrates]

The man in Taro's avatar with the Green Hornet mask, I think he played both johnny Mo and the Chinese Kung Fu Master. The dialougue Daryl Hanna quips right before the fight is priceless.

It had a lot of cool surprises in it.

[Caustic Saint]

That said, I liked vol. 2 better than vol. 1. The fight between Uma and Daryll beats anything in vol. 1. Where the Uma/Vivica fight seemed over-choreographed, the Uma/Daryll one is very slick and full of nice moves.

Better dialogue this time around too.

Does this mean that you recommend seeing Vol. 2? I was seriously considering giving it a pass after watching all the dreck in Vol. 1.

Yes. It's a better movie that part 1. But like part 1, there's a good bit of fat that could've been trimmed out of it. David Carradine is pretty good as Bill, and he's got most of the good lines.

[BlazeAlpha]

Kill Bill Vol.2 is a great film! Tarantino has accomplished something truly incredible! To be able to combine so many genres of film and effectively merge them into a cohesive unit speaks volumes of this masterwork. There are so many things to appreciate about Vol.2. For those who haven't seen the film yet, my observations contain spoilers so please don't read if you don't want to be spoiled.

The "Massacre at Two Pines" chapter was beautiful and effective. The high contast black and white cinematography from Robert Richardson is breathtaking and Ennio Morricone's "Il Tramonto" playing as Beatrix walks outside the Chruch chapel really adds a gentle warmness to the atmosphere of the scene and wonderfully sets up the introduction of Bill. I was pleased with Tarantino's approach with the dialogue. It was basically Spaghetti Western dialogue with Tarantino humor throw in. It wasn't a full retreat to the Pulp Fiction dialogue which is good because Kill Bill is a different kind of film. The dialogue fit the theme of concept of the film perfectly. The exchange between Beatrix and Bill in this chapter does a fine job of setting up the emotional connection between both characters. I love how the camera pulls out of the chapel to reveal the chilling vision of the DIVAS standing outside with machine guns, ready to begin their carnage.

"The Lonely Grave of Paula Schultz" chapter was another solid chapter. Highlights of this chapter had to be Budd using his shotgun to shoot Beatrix in the chest with rock salt and the burial which followed. Great use of darkness and sound to create the claustrophobic effect of being trapped in a coffin. The horrifying sound of the dirt as it's being shoveled on top of the coffin and the sound of Budd's truck driving away was amazing. The sound design team should get a Oscar nod for that scene. The Ennio Morricone music was also great here.

"The Cruel Tutelage Of Pai Mei" chapter was both funny and great at the same time. This particular Pai Mei was more humorous than the Lo Lieh Pai Mei from the Shaw Brothers films. The dialogue here is great such as this exchange between Beatrix and Pai Mei.

PAI MEI: Your master tells me you're not entirely unschooled. What training do you possess?

BEATRIX: I am proficient in a combination of Tiger and Crane style. And I am more than proficient in the exquisite art of the Samurai Sword.

PAI MEI: (he makes a SNORTING SOUND) The exquisite art of the samurai sword. Don't make me laugh. Your so called exquisite art, is only fit for Japanese fat heads. You really are a silly ass.

Kudos again to Robert Richardson on the outstanding cinematography. He really captured the film style of the Shaw Brothers films. Hell, Shaw Brothers films didn't even look this good. The Chang Cheh zooms, the sound effects, the music and the martial art choreography were all on point. Uma amazes me with her emotional range of acting. Damn, she's a great actress. Her Kung Fu looked credible enough to me. If there was any fault with this chapter I would say it was too short. I wanted to see more training scenes and more of emotional connection between Pai Mei and Beatrix.

The "Elle and I" chapter was brilliant. This is my favorite chapter of Vol.2. Daryl Hannah redeems herself in a HUGE way from her rather wooden acting in Vol.1. She's really great here. The Beatrix/Elle fight ranks to me as the best fight of both volumes with GoGo/Beatrix second. I love the Mexican standoff with both women holding Hattori Hanzo swords and the Ennio Morricone music building to a climax in the background. Great stuff! Budd getting fucked up by a Black Mamba was brutal. What a horrible way to die. Elle is a evil woman. I loved how Beatrix squashes Elle's eye between her toes after plucking it out. Everything about this chapter is great.

I had mixed thoughts on the "Face to Face" chapter which is the final chapter of the film. While I loved the dialogue exchange between Bill and Beatrix, the scene where Beatrix first sees her daughter, and the Superman monologue, I was disappointed a little with the actual battle between Bill and Beatrix. Bill's death was anti-climatic. I can understand that Quentin had to trim the fight down but damn. If the fight had to be short a better way to do it would've been like the trio showdown scene in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, where you have this music that builds to a climatic then Eastwood shoots Van Cleff and that's that. You could have Bill and Beatrix standing and staring each other down while the music builds then they both run at each other kamikaze style and exchange sword strikes then Beatrix hits Bill with the Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique. He dies and that's that. Despite the flaw of the Bill/Beatrix battle the film is so solid that I can overlook that flaw.

I can understand how those who enjoyed the fast paced action of Vol.1 may be disappointed with Vol.2. This was NEVER suppose to be just a Kung Fu film. It's a combination of various genres. I heard many people say the pace of Vol.2 is real slow, but when I saw the film the pace didn't seem slow to me at all. In reality it seemed like the film flew by. In fact, there was a aura of disappointment on my face when the film reached it's final chapter because I knew it was close to being over and I wanted more. Vol.2 manages to enhance the greatness of Vol.1.

In closing, viewing Kill Bill as a complete film it's a great achievement in filmmaking. Oscar worthy performances out of Uma Thurman and David Caradine, great music, super directing, beautiful cinematography, solid dialogue. 5/5

[Caustic Saint]

The "Elle and I" chapter was brilliant. This is my favorite chapter of Vol.2. Daryl Hannah redeems herself in a HUGE way from her rather wooden acting in Vol.1. She's really great here. The Beatrix/Elle fight ranks to me as the best fight of both volumes

Agreed. This was the best fight sequence of either parts.

I had mixed thoughts on the "Face to Face" chapter which is the final chapter of the film. While I loved the dialogue exchange between Bill and Beatrix, the scene where Beatrix first sees her daughter, and the Superman monologue, I was disappointed a little with the actual battle between Bill and Beatrix. Bill's death was anti-climatic. I can understand that Quentin had to trim the fight down but damn.

He trimmed the wrong bits here. The "battle" was underwhelming. He could've easily trimmed out tons of stuff from the 20 minutes of crap leading up to it. Once she sees her daughter the movie comes crashing to a halt, and never recovers. And Bill's "Superman speech" isn't really Bill's. It's just Quentin going off on some pop culture tangent, and felt out of place.

I can understand how those who enjoyed the fast paced action of Vol.1 may be disappointed with Vol.2. This was NEVER suppose to be just a Kung Fu film. It's a combination of various genres. I heard many people say the pace of Vol.2 is real slow, but when I saw the film the pace didn't seem slow to me at all. In reality it seemed like the film flew by.

It flew by right up until she gets to Bill's house. Then it crashes and dies.

In closing, viewing Kill Bill as a complete film it's a great achievement in filmmaking. Oscar worthy performances out of Uma Thurman and David Caradine, great music, super directing, beautiful cinematography, solid dialogue.

Not hardly. Quentin got too full of himself in making this piece of bloat. Reduced to the simplest of terms, it's mix-n-match filmmaking. All he's done is copy a bunch of film styles that he likes and chuck them in a blender to "create" his own concoction. The problem is, he got so wrapped up in this process that he forgot he was supposed to be telling a coherent story. The pacing is uneven, there's too much excess stuff and the dialogue isn't nearly as good as in his previous work.

And what was the deal with bleeping Beatrix's name? It was treated as though it were some big mystery, then when it's finally revealed, there's no payoff. The point of that was....?

Some good bits in both movies, but nothing revolutionary.

[BlazeAlpha]

He trimmed the wrong bits here. The "battle" was underwhelming.

Agreed. Like I said in my previous post, if the fight had to be short then he should've done it like Spaghetti Western style like in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

He could've easily trimmed out tons of stuff from the 20 minutes of crap leading up to it.

None of the dialogue bothered me leading up to Bill's death. I thought the dialogue it did a good job of fleshing out the emotion connection between Beatrix, B.B and Bill. I loved every second of it. For example, I like the scene when Bill makes the sandwich for B.B and does it in a both artful and intimidating manner. The way he handles the knife as he dips it into the mustard and slices the bread while explaining the philosophical lesson B.B learned about life and death. I love the touching scene where Beatrix lays down with B.B and watches Shogun Assassin. I also like when Beatrix goes for Bill's Hattori Hanzo sword and Bill shoots the bowl of fruit in front of her then says "I'm Just fucking with ya". Perhaps Tarantino could've cut down one of the monologues, but I didn't mind them because they severed a purposed to the character development of both Beatrix and Bill. That chapter was about love, reflection, and parenthood and it accomplished that agenda except the actual swordplay battle. The only thing that should've been cut in the "Face To Face" chapter was the Mexican whorehouse scene. That was a waste of time.

Once she sees her daughter the movie comes crashing to a halt, and never recovers.

I didn't think it came to a crashing halt at all. The dialogue was solid here and the acting was great, especially on Uma's part.

And Bill's "Superman speech" isn't really Bill's. It's just Quentin going off on some pop culture tangent, and felt out of place.

I agree with you here, but I didn't mind it because it sounded cool the way Carradine delievered it. Me and my friend I went to see it with loved the superman monologue. Like I said the only weak part was the fight between Beatrix and Bill, but even that I didn't mind because the whole film up to that point was tight. A weak climax fight isn't going to ruin the film for me when the rest of the film is great.

Not hardly. Quentin got too full of himself in making this piece of bloat. Reduced to the simplest of terms, it's mix-n-match filmmaking. All he's done is copy a bunch of film styles that he likes and chuck them in a blender to "create" his own concoction.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Quentin was inspired by many influences, his main influences being Chang Cheh and Sergio Leone. Kill Bill was the type of film to pay homage to those influences. Every director has been inspired by another director's work. I just don't see anything wrong with it. As long as you make a tight film out of it like Quentin has done with Kill Bill than more power to you. Mix-n-match all you want as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is, he got so wrapped up in this process that he forgot he was supposed to be telling a coherent story.

He's telling the story in whatever manner it takes to tell the story, whether it be flashbacks, split-screens, voice overs, etc. Quentin isn't following a screenplay rule book on how to tell a story and that's what I like. Screw the rules. Tell the story the way you want to tell it.

The pacing is uneven, there's too much excess stuff and the dialogue isn't nearly as good as in his previous work.

The dialogue fit the theme and concept of the film perfectly. This isn't Pulp Fiction and I wish people would stop expecting Pulp Fiction dialogue everytime Quentin makes a film. The dialogue will be in context with what the film is about. Don't expect Pulp Fiction dialogue in "Inglorious Bastards", (his next film) either. Those days are over.

And what was the deal with bleeping Beatrix's name? It was treated as though it were some big mystery, then when it's finally revealed, there's no payoff. The point of that was....?

He was just paying homage to the Clint Eastwood character in the Sergio Leone "Dollars" Thilogy. The man with no name. There was no point to it other than that.

Some good bits in both movies, but nothing revolutionary.

It was never mean't to be revolutionary, just good cinema and he accomplished that. PEACE!

[GomiGirl]

So Bill actually dies?



I haven't seen either Vol 1 or Vol 2..

*note to self * - must get out (of office) more

or

buy DVD player and stay in more.

[BlazeAlpha]

So Bill actually dies?



I haven't seen either Vol 1 or Vol 2..

*note to self * - must get out (of office) more

or

buy DVD player and stay in more.

Basically if you're not into a lot of violence then you won't like Vol.1 and if you can't stand Tarantino's dialogue then you won't like Vol.2. That's pretty much it. I loved both volumes because I love both those things.

[mr. sparkle]

Basically if you're not into a lot of violence then you won't like Vol.1 and if you can't stand Tarantino's dialogue then you won't like Vol.2. That's pretty much it. I loved both volumes because I love both those things.

BlazeAlpha,
I love your synopsis of KB vol. 1. Had to avert my eyes for your roundup of KB2.

KB1 absolutely ruled! I can't remember a better time watching a movie in recent memory. I'm an idiot for not seeing it on the big screen. I missed KB1 at the movies (was writing a fcp graphics book) so I rented it last night on DVD and laughed my ass off. Anyhoo, I don't get to nit-pickity about wire trickery and monty python squirting blood when I am so overwhelmingly entertained.

BTW, Let's hear it for the 5.6.7.8's!



I am going to see KB2 today, I am looking forward to it. I'll read the above posts after 'dat.

I am definitely going to check of your "geek" recommends--like some Shaw Bros. stuff and other stuff mentioned in these here posts. Although I didn't get many the direct references from martial arts/samurai geek films from KB1, you could tell every scene was a direct lift from some famous genre flick. I'm glad that you've provided the forum with some films to check out for more enjoyable afternoons with the DVD player.

I have the book, "Asian Cult Cinema" which has also provided me with some good recommends. I'm sure you know that one, eh?

[Steve Bildermann]

[mr. sparkle]

Thanks Steve. Good Readin'!

Wow. He didn't mention the Shaw brothers even once.

Yesterday I went to the corner market here in Chinatown.
I told the storekeep, "Hey, I saw Kill Bill last night".
The guy (prob'ly late 50's) says, "Oh yeah..I want to
see that. The trailer reminds me of the old Shaw brothers
movies. Man, I loved those!"

[kidrock12xp]

just go see kill bill vol. 1 and 2 nough said. You shouldn't be contemplating on seeing it or not. The movie is awesome.

[Naniwan Kid]

I'll be seeing 2 on Sunday....I've seen one several times, and it gets better and better every time I see it. I haven't seen a lot of mention of "Tattooed Life" which the glass floor of Kill Bill 1 is clearly based on, though I hear a lot of mention of Tokyo Drifter (another Seijun Suzuki movie) on this point. We can see the glass floor angle from the R1 cover art...

[Ptyx]

Tatooed Life is a great flick, QT also took the shadow fightning scene of KB1 from that one..
And of course The last fight in KB1 was a direct reference to Lady Snowblood, starring the magnificent Meiko Kaji

[BlazeAlpha]

BlazeAlpha, I love your synopsis of KB vol. 1. Had to avert my eyes for your roundup of KB2.

KB1 absolutely ruled! I can't remember a better time watching a movie in recent memory. I'm an idiot for not seeing it on the big screen. I missed KB1 at the movies (was writing a fcp graphics book) so I rented it last night on DVD and laughed my ass off. Anyhoo, I don't get to nit-pickity about wire trickery and monty python squirting blood when I am so overwhelmingly entertained.

I'm glad you enjoyed the film. Basically my point as I've stated in the past on the massive blood geysers and wire use is Kill Bill is not a realistic film, it's a fantasy film that takes place in different genres. Kill Bill was NEVER intended to be a realistic film. I can't state that point enough. It's a fantasy homage film that uses certain elements in the film such as the blood geysers to pay homage to a particular genre such as the Lone Wolf and Cub films of the 70's. The little wire use in Kill Bill pays homage to the Shaw Brothers films of the 70's. It amuses me when I hear people think just because Kill Bill uses some wirework that it's ripping The Matrix. Wirework didn't originate with The Matrix, it's been around since the 70's. So any nit-pickiting by anyone in regard to the blood and wirework on the basis of realism is missing the point entirely. Kill Bill is what it is]BTW, Let's hear it for the 5.6.7.8's!

[/quote]

I honesty never even heard of the 5.6.7.8's before Kill Bill. From my understanding they have some stuff that's harder edged than that stuff in Kill Bill.

I am going to see KB2 today, I am looking forward to it. I'll read the above posts after 'dat.

Just keep in mind before you see Vol.2 that it's Spaghetti Western driven. Don't expect a lot of samurai carnage like in Vol.1. If you don't like Spaghetti Westerns, you'll have a hard time enjoying the film, because the pacing, dialogue, music, direction, and cinematography all reflect that genre.

I am definitely going to check of your "geek" recommends--like some Shaw Bros. stuff and other stuff mentioned in these here posts. Although I didn't get many the direct references from martial arts/samurai geek films from KB1, you could tell every scene was a direct lift from some famous genre flick. I'm glad that you've provided the forum with some films to check out for more enjoyable afternoons with the DVD player.

Here is a list of films you should check out that's Kill Bill related.

Five Deadly Venoms (The DIVAS idea was inspired from this film.)
Lone Wolf and Cub Series (Samurai fights and blood geysers.)
Lady Snowblood (O-Ren Ishii character inspired from this film.)
Master Of Flying Guillotine (Music was used from this film.)
Fist Of The White Lotus (The Pai Mei character comes from this film.)
8 Diagram Pole Fighter (The little wire work use comes from this film.)
Battle Royale (Tarantino found out about Chiaki Kuriyama/GoGo Yubari from this film.)
The Doll Squad (Another fim that inspired the DIVAS idea)
They Call Her One Eye (Elle Driver character was inspired from this film)
Chinese Boxer (The House Of Blue Leaves fight was inspired from this film)
Fudoh (The Crazy 88 was partly inspired from this film)
Game of Death (Obviously the yellow tracksuit that Uma wears was inspired by this film)
The Street Figher (Sonny Chiba! Need I say more.)
The Good, The Bad and the ugly (A film that inspired the Bride beatdown by the DIVAS in the church)
Ghost in the Shell (The anime team that did this film did the anime "Orgin Of O-Ren Ishii" chapter.
Sukeban Deka (Film that inspired the GoGo Yubari character.)
Five Fingers Of Death (This is where the Ironside Vengeance theme music comes from where The Bride sees Vernita Green after she opens the door.)
Switchblade Sisters (Another film that inspired the Elle Driver character.)

There are so many more but my mind is drawing a blank.

I have the book, "Asian Cult Cinema" which has also provided me with some good recommends. I'm sure you know that one, eh?

Oh no, tell me you didn't buy that book. *Cue screaming violins from the film Pyscho* That book is so full of factual errors it's not even funny. Titles, release years, stars, and plots are so screwed up that you can tell whomever wrote the reviews in that book didn't really see many of the films in the book. Do yourself a favor and either throw that book in the trash where it belongs or use it as a doorstopper. Try buying The Essential Guide to Hong Kong Movies by Rick Baker and Toby Russel or Bey Logan's HK Action Cinema. These are better books from people who know what they're writing about.

[mr. sparkle]

I think I got that book as a gift, but I'll check out the Baker or the Logan books.

OR I'll just ask the Chinatown storekeep up the street.

Nice list of "influence" flicks for KB as well. I'll start huntin' 'em
down at the vid store.

Keep Rockin' Mr. B.

KB2 tonight for sure!

[Taro Toporific]

Tarantino to make Mandarin kung-fu film
Channel News Asia, Singapore - 2 Nov
LONDON : Maverick US director Quentin Tarantino will follow his two-film revenge epic "Kill Bill" with a kung-fu action title shot entirely in Mandarin....
... Tarantino, a long-time fan of the 1970s "chopsocky" martial arts film genre, will make two versions of the movie, one with English subtitles and another with a dubbed English soundtrack, he told Total Film magazine.
In homage to the often shakily-shot budget martial arts films of the era, the English dubbing will be deliberately out of synchronisation with the action.
"The next movie will be in Mandarin. I enjoyed shooting all the Japanese stuff in Kill Bill so much that this whole film will be entirely in Mandarin," the director said in the interview.

[Steve Bildermann]

Isn't this taking 'retro' a little too far....what next Quentin Tarantino does Ed Wood.

So he's going to go out and deliberately make a bad film, hmm interesting I thought the Wachowski brothers had that field already locked up.

Thanks QT but I watched all the crap kung funny movies I will even need back in the 70's.

[Captain Japan]

So he's going to go out and deliberately make a bad film...

He already did that with Kill Bill. I seriously hadn't been that angry in a long time after watching part I of that waste of time.

[Charles]

So he's going to go out and deliberately make a bad film...

He already did that with Kill Bill. I seriously hadn't been that angry in a long time after watching part I of that waste of time.

Hey, it could always be worse. You could have left the theater. I couldn't. Kill Bill was the in-flight movie on my last trip from Chicago to Narita.

On the flight back, I caught part of a rather charming, unpretentious, cheaply made Japanese film, something about a salariman who quits his job to chase after a high-spirited Okinawan woman. I never got to see the ending, I didn't see the beginning so I don't even know the name of the film. I sure would like to see that film in its entirety.

[djgizmoe]

Alright, can't wait for that one. I thought both parts of Kill Bill ruled (for different reasons), but then again, I thought "The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra" was oscar-worthy as well...Still there's a thin line between homage and self-parody. Tim Burton's "Ed Wood" was a hoot, but his follow-up, "Mars Attacks!", was less a tribute to crap than crap itself...Ganbatte Quentin...

[vir-jin]

Well, I may be young and not yet able to understand the entirety of tarantino art, but I admire how much money he was gathering for those two parts. I recently saw four rooms, a very old shot tarantino directed with three other guys and that was desperately the worst tarantino ever made.
besides, Kill bill is a blockbuster in Japan although o ren ishii tells the yakusa guys " The price you pay for bringing up either my chinese or american heritage as a negativis, I collect yor fuckin head, just like this fucker here." --------?!!!!!!!!!
I have to add that the first part was not simultaneous interpreted by sophie into Japanese because o ren was really loud, the japanese audience might not have understood it exactly. (kono yarou to onaji to shite ne!) And although this might not be a good example how to survive in Japan, I really was, well let' s say, delighted to see blood splattering over sushi plates like the fontana di trevi. This made me think about being half japanese and I read an article that Japanese Americans are among the richest people in the US!.
back from a long trip I might change my view in the next two months. Maybe I will love Tarantino for this movie, get the soundtrack and listen to o ren ishiis head raising campaign daily and let her support my everyday life. We will see, urami bushii!

[Taro Toporific]

Speaking of cheers for Sonny Chiba--in Japanese theaters

RIP "Sonny" Chiba.

千葉真一 Cause of death: Corona virus. He was 82.
According to Kyodo Press, he was not vaccinated.

Chiba was best known for: Kill Bill Vol. 1. Message From Space. Golgo 13. The Street Fighter.

In Japanese:
https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2204126/full/

In English:
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/mov ... t-1214255/

sonny-chiba.jpg

[Coligny]

千葉真一 Cause of death: Corona virus. He was 82.
According to Kyodo Press, he was not vaccinated.

Chiba was best known for: Kill Bill Vol. 1. Message From Space. Golgo 13. The Street

!!! CURSE YOU COVID !!!!

he had his whole life in front of him

[matsuki]

RIP, seemed like a nice dude.

Once of my coworkers in his early 50's died last week from it. I wasn't too worried about Covid-19 initially, knowing my brother and several other people that recovered without issue. Concerned for those at risk, but figured if I caught it, it would pass without much issue. This Delta variant is wrecking a lot more people though. Finally have an appt for the Pfizer vax.

[Taka-Okami]

I like how vaxtards seem to think that getting the clot shots will somehow stop them from croaking from Delta.

Nope, plenty of double vaxed are croaking.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08 ... feat-delta

[Coligny]

Tis one of the thing that worries me much…

“Yay, vax, yolooooooo”

But it’s like beer googles apparently… the moar you revax, the moar you get le protection…

[matsuki]

If you need to stay in a constant state of maxed out Covid-19 antibodies to keep from getting the virus, either you need never ending booster shots until the virus is eradicated...or everyone is going to get it. Once you come to that conclusion, wouldn't a single shot to prepare you for your eventual fight with the virus be enough to put the odds in your favor of surviving? I guess in 2021, instead of pox parties, it will be Covid-hook-ups??

[Coligny]

I’m not sure that your constantly updated knowledge and experience relating to STDs can be safely used for respiratory infections…

[matsuki]

I’m not sure that your constantly updated knowledge and experience relating to STDs can be safely used for respiratory infections…

Always updated!!

My post actually aged well...

The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party,’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”

https://www.science.org/content/article ... ains-vital

Pox parties in 2021, the left side of the bell curve will make it happen