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Best Jobs For A Foreigner In Japan ?

Postby XSquared » Thu May 20, 2004 4:05 pm

I've heard that teaching English is a good option. However, what if you have no degree ? What other jobs are viable for a foreigner ?
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Re: Best Jobs For A Foreigner In Japan ?

Postby Taro Toporific » Thu May 20, 2004 4:19 pm

XSquared wrote:I've heard that teaching English is a good option. However, what if you have no degree ? What other jobs are viable for a foreigner ?


Perseverance or stay home.


(( I am not being flippant. If you don't have degree or skillz, you better have perseverance. If you're not up to the challenge, please don't whine when you shipwreck here. Coming to Japan as a first-world person without a degree is the HARD way to make it.))
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Postby NeoNecroNomiCron » Thu May 20, 2004 4:31 pm

I was laughing hard for 10 minutes when I saw this post... All I could think was ANOTHER ONE, They are like bloody clockwork.

Sorry XSquared, but I am sure if you looked at this an many other forums you wouldnt need to ask this question.
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Postby Cubed » Thu May 20, 2004 4:43 pm

I once met a rather odd man from Shiki (near Niiza, NW of Tokyo) who had a job cleaning up in err ... "Health Fun Bathing Time"-type establishments ... :bukkake:
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Re: Best Jobs For A Foreigner In Japan ?

Postby kamome » Thu May 20, 2004 5:50 pm

XSquared wrote:I've heard that teaching English is a good option. However, what if you have no degree ? What other jobs are viable for a foreigner ?


I'm in the market for a maid. How good are you with a mop?

Seriously, get yourself some skillz before coming to Japan.
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Re: Best Jobs For A Foreigner In Japan ?

Postby Caustic Saint » Thu May 20, 2004 6:20 pm

kamome wrote:
XSquared wrote:I've heard that teaching English is a good option. However, what if you have no degree ? What other jobs are viable for a foreigner ?

I'm in the market for a maid. How good are you with a mop?

Will you sponsor a visa? :D
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Postby devicenull » Fri May 21, 2004 2:07 am

lol, why the hell do people think that they can show up underqualified and magically beat the system as if they deserved it?
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Re: Best Jobs For A Foreigner In Japan ?

Postby kamome » Fri May 21, 2004 2:24 am

Caustic Saint wrote:
kamome wrote:
XSquared wrote:I've heard that teaching English is a good option. However, what if you have no degree ? What other jobs are viable for a foreigner ?

I'm in the market for a maid. How good are you with a mop?

Will you sponsor a visa? :D


Sure, but I can't pay you a salary! :D
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Postby vvx » Fri May 21, 2004 6:04 am

devicenull wrote:lol, why the hell do people think that they can show up underqualified and magically beat the system as if they deserved it?


Because their heros are Japanese politicians?
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Postby TokyoJoe53 » Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:46 pm

It is rather silly to think one can work in Japan without skills but give the guy a break. Everyone starts somewhere :D :D
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Re: Best Jobs For A Foreigner In Japan ?

Postby Video-Link Japan » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:08 pm

XSquared wrote:I've heard that teaching English is a good option. However, what if you have no degree ? What other jobs are viable for a foreigner ?


Well, you can speak english apparently, that will do for starters. Get a J-wife and they might even let you in for more than 90days.. learn Nihongo then you should have no problem getting a decent gig.

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Postby kansaiboy » Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:46 pm

ok so what else can u do..?

bar tenders, waiters and service type buisness are always in search of people...u could even get a job as a host if u had a dream of ever being "Duce Bigalo"... look, its simple...the degree is used for the visa process...its a requirement in most situations... I dont know many people that actually work over here in there degree fields. Its like having a Drivers License...u just need one... the alternative is get married to a local, but u only have 90 days to do so...there's a challenge.. and yeah u will pick up the language pretty fast if u are inclined and perseptive.

Without a degree u may qualify for the working hiliday visa depending on ur age and what country ur r from.

http://www.workingholidayguru.com/

with this visa u can come and work for a year..

I was being recruited by a head shop here and have a very strong IT background, as it turned out they seemed a very suspect company so if u r looking for long term career building then all i can say is look into the job and company very carefully. :idea:

Build a resume on gaijinpot and apply, apply apply...hit the internet pavement...good luck.
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Re: Best Jobs For A Foreigner In Japan ?

Postby Skankster » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:07 pm

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Taro Toporific wrote:
XSquared wrote:I've heard that teaching English is a good option. However, what if you have no degree ? What other jobs are viable for a foreigner ?


Perseverance or stay home.


(( I am not being flippant. If you don't have degree or skillz, you better have perseverance. If you're not up to the challenge, please don't whine when you shipwreck here. Coming to Japan as a first-world person without a degree is the HARD way to make it.))


Hes right. China is more oriented to the unskilled.
PLUS - their economy is booming and pussy is flying off the hook like Chinese firecrackers these days.
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Re: Best Jobs For A Foreigner In Japan ?

Postby devicenull » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:53 pm

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Taro Toporific wrote:
XSquared wrote:I've heard that teaching English is a good option. However, what if you have no degree ? What other jobs are viable for a foreigner ?


Perseverance or stay home.


(( I am not being flippant. If you don't have degree or skillz, you better have perseverance. If you're not up to the challenge, please don't whine when you shipwreck here. Coming to Japan as a first-world person without a degree is the HARD way to make it.))


Hes right. China is more oriented to the unskilled.
PLUS - their economy is booming and pussy is flying off the hook like Chinese firecrackers these days.


im going to have to agree on this point. the hard part at first is just getting into china on any form of long term visit other than tourism. Knowing people or being a student is the easy way I think. But damn, too easy to stay here. I have had to beat jobs off with a stick here. I could quit school and resign myself to teaching english for 8000kuai a month in shanghai with a paid for apartment. I can barely manage to spend 600 kuai a month as it is... and that is eating out every meal, buying too many movies, and buying too much crap when I want it. It would pretty much all be going into savings. If you are white and speak english, in china, you will never go hungry... unless you are mute, then you are pretty fucked.
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Postby Cubed » Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:15 am

Actually, a good point has been made (not by me, I hasten to add).

China is a good option - I have a school friend who kinda went off the rails a little, getting busted with hashish (not charged because he hid it in a loo-roll - really), quit University half way through, a few dead end jobs, and went to live in China as an Engrish teacher. Not good at first (a few dodgy schools etc), but eventually he definitely found his niche and he's happy there.

I think he's been teaching for about two years now.

Now I'm not saying that XSquared has a similar history, but if you're looking to get a foothold, you could do a lot worse than getting a teaching job in Beijing or Shanghai.

Pussy? Yeah he never complains. Money? Certainly enough to live comfortably. The whole experience has been good for him and he's enjoyed it.
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Postby Steve Bildermann » Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:55 am

devicenull wrote: could quit school and resign myself to teaching english for 8000kuai a month in shanghai with a paid for apartment. I can barely manage to spend 600 kuai a month as it is... and that is eating out every meal, buying too many movies, and buying too much crap when I want it.

Hmm - just to confirm. You're saying 600 kuai - about 7,800 yen a month all told.

Mmmm!!! I take Chisato and her mother for breakfast and spend that much

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Postby vvx » Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:13 pm

Man, sounds like an awesome place to retire, or even vacation for a few years around mid-life-crisis time. Wouldn't take much retirement/savings to pay for it.
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Postby devicenull » Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:31 pm

vvx wrote:Man, sounds like an awesome place to retire, or even vacation for a few years around mid-life-crisis time. Wouldn't take much retirement/savings to pay for it.


have a retirement fund of 100k? bring it to china... you can start a business and sponsor your own visa. :P
with 100k, i dont think it's possible to run out of money here ever unless you are an idiot :P
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Well Maybe someday

Postby Skankster » Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:45 pm

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Perhaps when my mom passes I will have a 100K IRA.
Then maybe I can lavish in Chinese beauty.

You should not forget if that is all you make you will have nothing when you get home (if?).

You can only teach. And w/o a degree you wont even find that kind of job.

I am intrigued by moving to China.

Devicenull>>>

Are you quoting Shanghai figures?? I think it is quite high to live in Shanghai. I cannot imagine it being that easy...
I wouldnt mind living in some rural area too. Start a computer juku or something... but if salaries are that low you may not be able to pay your student loans.
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Re: Well Maybe someday

Postby devicenull » Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:48 pm

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Perhaps when my mom passes I will have a 100K IRA.
Then maybe I can lavish in Chinese beauty.

You should not forget if that is all you make you will have nothing when you get home (if?).

You can only teach. And w/o a degree you wont even find that kind of job.

I am intrigued by moving to China.

Devicenull>>>

Are you quoting Shanghai figures?? I think it is quite high to live in Shanghai. I cannot imagine it being that easy...
I wouldnt mind living in some rural area too. Start a computer juku or something... but if salaries are that low you may not be able to pay your student loans.


well, i am quoting shanghai figures because those compose the majority of the jobs that i am being offered EVERYDAY. beijing jobs pay less, like, i could teach at a campus for around 4000 kuai a month starting with free meals and free housing on campus, etc. not much compared to out of china, but more than enough for in china. basically, seeing as all of my loans are non-cosign, i could pay the minimum or whatever, or just forget about them and not come back to the US. Pretty much everything is done with cash here, so, credit doesnt make a difference. and the chinese credit system is different from the US one. living in shanghai, from what i hear, is a little more expensive if you want decent housing, but food prices are about the same. so are the prices for just about everything else. resign yourself to country living, and that 200 kuai a week will drop like a rock down to less than 50 if you are smart enough not to get ripped off by everyone.

for city living, the price you pay just depends on what you are comfortable with. for me, i dont need/want air conditioning, a shared floor-shower and toilet is fine with me, and sharing a kitchen is fine too. give me a room to sleep in and an internet connection, and that's pretty much all i ask. i am so used to sleeping on this "mattress" of doom, that i dont really care if i have to sleep on the floor at this point :P
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Ohhh

Postby Skankster » Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:49 pm

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Oh, I C.

You are a student now and you are anticipating that with that much salary above your current income will be surplus income. Hahahaha Thats kinda nostalgic. I remember them days :D

BTW: Beijing is way the F too hot & cold to live there


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Do you think it would be possible to find a job working for a Japanese company there in China at about US$1000 a month?
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Re: Ohhh

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Postby karekora » Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:53 am

&quot wrote:lol, why the hell do people think that they can show up underqualified and magically beat the system as if they deserved it?


Does not having a degree mean you aren't qualified to do ANYTHING?? IN England, not having a dregree sure means that you'll have to work you're way up to the top, and its sure HARD GRAFT, but there ARE jobs out there. I have a Btec National Diploma. Is that worth NOTHING in Japan, just becuase it doesn't have 'Degree' attached to it??

What about the Japanese people who don't have degrees?
How do they live?
If you are going to Japan on a WORKING-HOLIDAY Visa, thats what you want to do - work a bit, holiday a bit... You don't want a full-time responsible job tying you down to 1 location. Who wants that? You might as well be in your home country for the amount of Japan you're going to see!!

What part-time jobs are out there??
- Surely you can work in hospitality or something.
What is the minimum wage per hour in Japan??

Please understand that not everyone that goes to Japan wants to be a 'high-flyer' earning loads. Some of us just want to see Japan, to experience the culture. We just want a part-time job (2 small jobs even if the pay is no good!!) to fund our stay.
What hope is there for me getting a job and where do I look?

Do I have no hope??
Should I kill myself as I am worthless with no degree?
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Postby kamome » Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:51 am

I don't know if there's a minimum wage law in Japan, but I do know that the going rate for waiters and waitresses (on the assumption that a waiter at an ordinary restaurant normally makes the equivalent of minimum wage) is about 700 - 900 yen per hour.
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Postby devicenull » Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:53 am

karekora wrote:What about the Japanese people who don't have degrees?
How do they live?


what about US people without a green card? how do they live?

they dont want the market flooded with unskilled foreigners. nor do they want it flooded with foreigners that will be doing the same jobs normally taken by japanese.

holiday working visa... didnt know you were brit.
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Postby Socratesabroad » Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:40 am

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming...
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Postby Socratesabroad » Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:15 pm

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming...
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